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I saw that article with the Human Rights Campaign (LGBT advocacy group) claiming that Sanders should denounce Joe Rogans endorsement for a bunch of made up things. Looks like the sights are setting more and more on Joe Rogan these days from "them", expect to start seeing his name pre-faced with "the controversial" and then after that, the "right wing podcaster", etc etc etc.
This has been happening for years, nothing new really.

Funny thing is, even Joe himself is able to make these popular right wing thinkers look like idiots. How can anyone respect any kind of insight that comes out of Candance Owens mouth after seeing her get utterly schooled on climate change by a comedian? The same with Dave Rubin getting schooled on regulation, Rogan usually gives them more than enough rope to hang themselves.

I'm glad he is now having people like Jimmy Dore on more often so people can see the difference between someone like him and Ben Shaprio or Dave Ruben.
 

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whoa, there is a world of difference between jimmy and team left talking heads.

he shows team left's stupid lies about as much as he does team right's(usually because they do the exact same shit). it's one of the main reasons people like him.
 
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whoa, there is a world of difference between jimmy and the average left wing talking head.

he shows team left's stupid lies about as much as he does team right's. it's one of the main reasons people like him.
And?

Jimmy is in the same group as Pakman, Kyle Kulinski, Sam Seder etc

Obviously there's going to people on the left who are idiotic as well, but that doesn't change the fact the above group are far more politically astute and balanced than Shapiro, Crowder, Ruben etc
 

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This has been happening for years, nothing new really.

Funny thing is, even Joe himself is able to make these popular right wing thinkers look like idiots. How can anyone respect any kind of insight that comes out of Candance Owens mouth after seeing her get utterly schooled on climate change by a comedian? The same with Dave Rubin getting schooled on regulation, Rogan usually gives them more than enough rope to hang themselves.

I'm glad he is now having people like Jimmy Dore on more often so people can see the difference between someone like him and Ben Shaprio or Dave Ruben.
I think that Rogan needs to acknowledge that like it or not, he is now a major player in the national conversation, someone who can book just about anyone he wants as a guest and amplify their message to a massive audience. And therefore he needs to have a higher ratio of significant/consequential/relevant guests, and fewer of his C-level comedian buddies spending 2-3 hours talking about which comedy clubs in LA have the best food service backstage.

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I think that Rogan needs to acknowledge that like it or not, he is now a major player in the national conversation, someone who can book just about anyone he wants as a guest and amplify their message to a massive audience. And therefore he needs to have a higher ratio of significant/consequential/relevant guests, and fewer of his C-level comedian buddies spending 2-3 hours talking about which comedy clubs in LA have the best food service backstage.

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Disagree with the last part, his success should put no onus on him needing to book more serious guests. A lot of people have watched his podcasts for years and do so because of those conversations with his friends and comedy figures like Bill Burr, Joey Diaz etc, he's not a political broadcaster and still wants to have fun and chat to people.

He already makes sure he gets people on who offer different perspective and come from different political thinking so that is good enough for me. For every Shapiro podcast, there is one with Dore or Kyle etc.

He recently turned down Joe Biden and Warren who both asked to be on
 
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And?

Jimmy is in the same group as Pakman, Kyle Kulinski, Sam Seder etc

Obviously there's going to people on the left who are idiotic as well, but that doesn't change the fact the above group are far more politically astute and balanced than Shapiro, Crowder, Ruben etc
if he was based in england and spending half his time going after labour corruption instead of the democrat corruption he'd be on your naughty list and you'd be looking for quotes to say how stupid he is.
 

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This has been happening for years, nothing new really.

Funny thing is, even Joe himself is able to make these popular right wing thinkers look like idiots. How can anyone respect any kind of insight that comes out of Candance Owens mouth after seeing her get utterly schooled on climate change by a comedian? The same with Dave Rubin getting schooled on regulation, Rogan usually gives them more than enough rope to hang themselves.

I'm glad he is now having people like Jimmy Dore on more often so people can see the difference between someone like him and Ben Shaprio or Dave Ruben.
Yeah, I'll make a quick off the top of my head post on this cos I'm heading out.

I think a big problem with American Politics is that these political commentators tend to get locked into the right-left paradigm thing... maybe it's not an American thing but it feels like it's always been this way in the US and now it's creeping into politics here ... anyways, it's all or nothing for them so where someone like Shapiro or Crowder can be correct on certain issues, it's like they have to take on every single position of right wing/conservative politics and defend things to the death.

So each side ends up with some Achilles Heel, with the right it's religion, climate change, gun control, abortion rights, etc ( and I guess you could say Objectivism but that's a can of worms I ain't opening)

On the left in recent years you could say it was gender politics, identity politics, mass immigration and the inability to level criticism at any thing or person other than the whitest of white people.

With Candace, I can agree with her on a lot she says in regards to race, not that I can name those things off-hand right now but the minute she starts to defend all this other batshit right wing nonsense like climate change denial, she falls apart and looks like the shuckster she probably is.

The best thing to do is watch stuff from across the board, retain what you think they're right on and ditch what they're wrong on ... there's very little I agree with Shapiro on outside of critique of identity politics. Politics gets stranger every day man.
 
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Disagree with the last part, his success should put no onus on him needing to book more serious guests. A lot of people have watched his podcasts for years and do so because of those conversations with his friends and comedy figures like Bill Burr, Joey Diaz etc, he's not a political broadcaster and still wants to have fun and chat to people.

He already makes sure he gets people on who offer different perspective and come from different political thinking so that is good enough for me. For every Shapiro podcast, there is one with Dore or Kyle etc.

He recently turned down Joe Biden and Warren who both asked to be on
Yep. I don't mind guys like Burr or Diaz on, (though I personally can't stand Diaz). It's when you get cunts like Ari Shaffir for the millionth time, wasting three hours on industry gossip and jerking each other off, that it starts getting reeeeeeeal tedious.

I'm not stoked about him turning down Warren and Biden as well. If he's going to have Tulsi, Yang and Bernie on, then he should open the floor to any candidate who wants to come on, IMO.

:hat
 

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Yeah, I'll make a quick off the top of my head post on this cos I'm heading out.

I think a big problem with American Politics is that these political commentators tend to get locked into the right-left paradigm thing... maybe it's not an American thing but it feels like it's always been this way in the US and now it's creeping into politics here ... anyways, it's all or nothing for them so where someone like Shapiro or Crowder can be correct on certain issues, it's like they have to take on every single position of right wing/conservative politics and defend things to the death.

So each side ends up with some Achilles Heel, with the right it's religion, climate change, gun control, abortion rights, etc ( and I guess you could say Objectivism but that's a can of worms I ain't opening)

On the left in recent years you could say it was gender politics, identity politics, mass immigration and the inability to level criticism at any thing or person other than the whitest of white people.

With Candace, I can agree with her on a lot she says in regards to race, not that I can name those things off-hand right now but the minute she starts to defend all this other batshit right wing nonsense like climate change denial, she falls apart and looks like the shuckster she probably is.

The best thing to do is watch stuff from across the board, retain what you think they're right on and ditch what they're wrong on ... there's very little I agree with Shapiro on outside of critique of identity politics. Politics gets stranger every day man.
Except most of the left-wing pundits named in the last few pages of this thread give zero fucks about identity politics.

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Yeah, I'll make a quick off the top of my head post on this cos I'm heading out.

I think a big problem with American Politics is that these political commentators tend to get locked into the right-left paradigm thing... maybe it's not an American thing but it feels like it's always been this way in the US and now it's creeping into politics here ... anyways, it's all or nothing for them so where someone like Shapiro or Crowder can be correct on certain issues, it's like they have to take on every single position of right wing/conservative politics and defend things to the death.

So each side ends up with some Achilles Heel, with the right it's religion, climate change, gun control, abortion rights, etc ( and I guess you could say Objectivism but that's a can of worms I ain't opening)

On the left in recent years you could say it was gender politics, identity politics, mass immigration and the inability to level criticism at any thing or person other than the whitest of white people.

With Candace, I can agree with her on a lot she says in regards to race, not that I can name those things off-hand right now but the minute she starts to defend all this other batshit right wing nonsense like climate change denial, she falls apart and looks like the shuckster she probably is.

The best thing to do is watch stuff from across the board, retain what you think they're right on and ditch what they're wrong on ... there's very little I agree with Shapiro on outside of critique of identity politics. Politics gets stranger every day man.
I agree, and that's one of the reasons I prefer the guys I mention.

They aren't trying to build a brand and appear genuine in wanting to solve the problems that exist within the country, whilst making sure they are very well informed on the matters. They don't get involved in identity politics or SJW stuff, they focus on policy, economics, healthcare etc and call out those on the right when they try and con people with their views on 'socialism'.

You don't get this kind of balance or truth from the other side, why that is I'm not sure.
 
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Yep. I don't mind guys like Burr or Diaz on, (though I personally can't stand Diaz). It's when you get cunts like Ari Shaffir for the millionth time, wasting three hours on industry gossip and jerking each other off, that it starts getting reeeeeeeal tedious.

I'm not stoked about him turning down Warren and Biden as well. If he's going to have Tulsi, Yang and Bernie on, then he should open the floor to any candidate who wants to come on, IMO.

:hat
I think if he accepted Biden and Warren, then he's opening himself up to be a political platform where it becomes the norm that he has every candidate on and I don't think he wants that at all.

He had Tulsi and Bernie on because he likes them fundamentally, he clearly dislikes Biden to the point where he is offended by a lot of his views, same with Warren and the way she has treated Bernie. I'm glad he has took this stance tbh, his podcast should remain his own thing and be a platform for him to talk to people he finds interesting.

Going beyond that turns it into a dangerous beast.
 
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I think if he accepted Biden and Warren, then he's opening himself up to be a political platform where it becomes the norm that he has every candidate on and I don't think he wants that at all.

He had Tulsi and Bernie on because he likes them fundamentally, he clearly dislikes Biden to the point where he is offended by a lot of his views, same with Warren and the way she has treated Bernie. I'm glad he has took this stance tbh, his podcast should remain his own thing and be a platform for him to talk to people he finds interesting.

Going beyond that turns it into a dangerous beast.
Warren and Bernie were buddy-buddy and had policy platforms that were 80+% similar when Rogan turned her down.

I think that if you have 3 of them on, including one of the frontrunners, then you should open the door to the others as well. Maybe we'd see that Warren is more of a persuader and funnier/more charismatic/more likeable in a free-form, relaxed setting than we think she is. Or maybe Biden makes a huge gaffe during an unmoderated conversation with someone who isn't going to default to kissing his ass and ignoring his bullshit. Either way, that seems better than "this one can come on, but not this one."

:hat
 

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Except most of the left-wing pundits named in the last few pages of this thread give zero fucks about identity politics.

:hat
This is probably true for the most part but for example, has Sam Seder stopped his apologism and defense of ANTIFA recently or is he still dishonestly portraying them as a noble anti-racist / anti-fascist movement and simply a response to the far-right instead of what they are, violent Anarcho-Communists and SJW Marxists?

If he has then fair play but I've seen a few vids of his where he's misrepresented a situation or issue knowingly through political bias.

It was watching several videos on that subject that turned me off him in the first place. I don't watch enough of Pakman to really comment on him but things I've seen of him in the past I've strongly disagreed with and he didn't look too good on the JRE in some of the clips uploaded.

Like downplaying the role if IDpol on the left or citing the ADL figures as if they're some non-partisan baggage free organisation of truth.


Or defending censorship and demonitisation of people using TOS arguments for naughty words and basic bitch political opinions because they don't agree with them, this is a hot topic for me as you're probably aware.


Dore and Kulinski I like. The best thing Dore ever did was freeing himself of The Young Turks.

They haven't been mentioned much here but the whole of the TYT crew that are now left are a bunch of dishonest, disingenuous race baiters... just outright trash. They are the lefts Steven Crowder.

I'll tell you what, for the next couple of weeks I'll listen to as much of these two as I can and see if my opinion shifts.
 
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I think if he accepted Biden and Warren, then he's opening himself up to be a political platform where it becomes the norm that he has every candidate on and I don't think he wants that at all.

He had Tulsi and Bernie on because he likes them fundamentally, he clearly dislikes Biden to the point where he is offended by a lot of his views, same with Warren and the way she has treated Bernie. I'm glad he has took this stance tbh, his podcast should remain his own thing and be a platform for him to talk to people he finds interesting.

Going beyond that turns it into a dangerous beast.
I think those two have enough clout and exposure as it is.
 
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This is probably true for the most part but for example, has Sam Seder stopped his apologism and defense of ANTIFA recently or is he still dishonestly portraying them as a noble anti-racist / anti-fascist movement and simply a response to the far-right instead of what they are, violent Anarcho-Communists and SJW Marxists?

If he has then fair play but I've seen a few vids of his where he's misrepresented a situation or issue knowingly through political bias.

It was watching several videos on that subject that turned me off him in the first place. I don't watch enough of Pakman to really comment on him but things I've seen of him in the past I've strongly disagreed with and he didn't look too good on the JRE in some of the clips uploaded.

Like downplaying the role if IDpol on the left or citing the ADL figures as if they're some non-partisan baggage free organisation of truth.


Or defending censorship and demonitisation of people using TOS arguments for naughty words and basic bitch political opinions because they don't agree with them, this is a hot topic for me as you're probably aware.


Dore and Kulinski I like. The best thing Dore ever did was freeing himself of The Young Turks.

They haven't been mentioned much here but the whole of the TYT crew that are now left are a bunch of dishonest, disingenuous race baiters... just outright trash. They are the lefts Steven Crowder.

I'll tell you what, for the next couple of weeks I'll listen to as much of these two as I can and see if my opinion shifts.
I don't think Pakman is saying anything wrong in this videos, and even if you do, surely you can see he is holding a reasonable viewpoint that can be both agreeable and disagreeable? That's a world away from the way someone like Crowder will talk about an issue. I agree to an extent on Seder but the main reason people dislike him is because he's less reasonable than Pakman in the way he addresses those on the right, he will rip the piss out of them and flat out condescend people like Dave Ruben for being patently stupid. There's a few things I disagree with him on, but hes definitely not a SJW lefty or anything like that.

Unless you are genuinely right wing these days, I refuse to believe you'd watch Pakman on Rogan and disagree with most of it, that would be astonishing tbh. I'm fairly confident you'd agree with him on healthcare, public spending, military, prisons, constitution etc effectively everything that's actually important, rather than overblown SJW politics than people like Crowder love to elevate.
 

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For the record, there's plenty of things I agree with that Crowder and Shapiro say (though I could say that about pretty much anyone alive) and I've watched plenty of their content, but when it comes to serious political insight or discussion around key issues, as opposed to just reactionary stuff against college kids, they are not good sources of information and it's dangerous how many people get suckered in.

Everyone should be able to accept that a standard middle of the ground American would be far better off listening to someone like Kyle Kulinski break down American politics than Ben Shapiro, even if you lean to the right. You're going to get a far less tribal, more balanced view that will probably be better researched as well.

Too many people think anyone with a platform on the left is an SJW when the reality says very differently.
 
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I don't think Pakman is saying anything wrong in this videos, and even if you do, surely you can see he is holding a reasonable viewpoint that can be both agreeable and disagreeable? That's a world away from the way someone like Crowder will talk about an issue. I agree to an extent on Seder but the main reason people dislike him is because he's less reasonable than Pakman in the way he addresses those on the right, he will rip the piss out of them and flat out condescend people like Dave Ruben for being patently stupid. There's a few things I disagree with him on, but hes definitely not a SJW lefty or anything like that.

Unless you are genuinely right wing these days, I refuse to believe you'd watch Pakman on Rogan and disagree with most of it, that would be astonishing tbh. I'm fairly confident you'd agree with him on healthcare, public spending, military, prisons, constitution etc effectively everything that's actually important, rather than overblown SJW politics than people like Crowder love to elevate.
I agree with him on all of these things, on a nuts and bolts politics level I'm on the same page as the left wing commentators (for the most part) and always have been... I can't think of much I disagree with them there but that doesn't mean I will excuse Youtube demonitising people I don't agree with, it's dangerous ground, even if they had done it to TYT over Hasan Pikers comments on Twitch about 9/11 and the "brave Mujahadeen" and I don't like when people use obvious partisan political activist organisations like the ADL or SPLC to prop up their arguments. I find it hard to believe that they're not aware of how those places portray figures to paint a certain picture.

I wish SJW politics were an irrelevance too, it is the biggest cancer in the left and when I see the likes of that Fox guy get absolutely hounded on the BBC and in the press for telling some race baiter on QT to basically STFU with the white privilege schtick then I know that it's still an issue and it needs to go.
 
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I agree with him on all of these things, on a nuts and bolts politics level I'm on the same page as the left wing commentators (for the most part) and always have been... I can't think of much I disagree with them there but that doesn't mean I will excuse Youtube demonitising people I don't agree with, it's dangerous ground, even if they had done it to TYT over Hasan Pikers comments on Twitch about 9/11 and the "brave Mujahadeen" and I don't like when people use obvious partisan political activist organisations like the ADL or SPLC to prop up their arguments. I find it hard to believe that they're not aware of how those places portray figures to paint a certain picture.

I wish SJW politics were an irrelevance too, it is the biggest cancer in the left and when I see the likes of that Fox guy get absolutely hounded on the BBC and in the press for telling some race baiter on QT to basically STFU with the white privilege schtick then I know that it's still an issue and it needs to go.
I agree in the most, but I think the important distinction to be made is how different it is disagreeing on whether someone should be demonetised (We all agree some people should be) and fundamentally disagreeing with someone over education, healthcare, prison reform, constitution etc. There's always been people on both sides who hold ridiculous views, the problem with Crowder and co is that their careers are supported by those SJW's and they need them to exist, hence why they will do their best to talk about them at every opportunity, whilst indirectly fuelling the same thing they claim is such a big problem.

Essentially, they will always elevate these issues higher than they need to be and make them out to be American's biggest problems, whilst staying away from debates focusing around the really important stuff, and when it comes to that stuff, they are unwilling to debate anyone or have their views properly challenged.
 
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I agree in the most, but I think the important distinction to be made is how different it is disagreeing on whether someone should be demonetised (We all agree some people should be) and fundamentally disagreeing with someone over education, healthcare, prison reform, constitution etc. There's always been people on both sides who hold ridiculous views, the problem with Crowder and co is that their careers are supported by those SJW's and they need them to exist, hence why they will do their best to talk about them at every opportunity, whilst indirectly fuelling the same thing they claim is such a big problem.

Essentially, they will always elevate these issues higher than they need to be and make them out to be American's biggest problems, whilst staying away from debates focusing around the really important stuff, and when it comes to that stuff, they are unwilling to debate anyone or have their views properly challenged.
Yeah that's fair enough, I'd have agree with that.
 
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When people actually take the time to read each other's posts and reply to what was actually said, it's amazing how much common ground can be found, eh? :thumbsup

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