Joshua asking his corner, "Why do I feel like this, though?"

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Funny, above you claimed : "they do it to lose weight. For boxing fitness it’s close to pointless".
God you’re stupid. What does tendon strengthening have to do with central and peripheral cardiovascular fitness?
Everything you do has a physiological adaptation, an isometric press against a wall changes things in your body. Of course running does a lot of things, but it doesn’t improve boxing fitness.
When you do a specific movement that strengthens the neural connection to make it more mechanically efficient, and blood is shuffled to those working muscles to improve metabolic efficiency.
Cyclists don’t focus on running to get fit for cycling. It’s an absurd old school notion that running = fitness, without any sporting context.

Even running like that for a field team sport is obsolete, now runnng is designed to replicate match day bioenergetic demands. Yet boxers/boxing trainers still think they’re getting boxing fitness from going for a 10 mile jog? Incredibly dumb, doesn’t make any sense on any level of analysis (other than the justification, a champ from the 60s did it and became champ. Never mind that all his opponents were giving themselves that same disadvantage to level the playing field). Listen, believe in roadwork and do it if you like, you’re free to waste your time.
 

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God you’re stupid. What does tendon strengthening have to do with central and peripheral cardiovascular fitness?
Everything you do has a physiological adaptation, an isometric press against a wall changes things in your body. Of course running does a lot of things, but it doesn’t improve boxing fitness.
When you do a specific movement that strengthens the neural connection to make it more mechanically efficient, and blood is shuffled to those working muscles to improve metabolic efficiency.
Cyclists don’t focus on running to get fit for cycling. It’s an absurd old school notion that running = fitness, without any sporting context.

Even running like that for a field team sport is obsolete, now runnng is designed to replicate match day bioenergetic demands. Yet boxers/boxing trainers still think they’re getting boxing fitness from going for a 10 mile jog? Incredibly dumb, doesn’t make any sense on any level of analysis (other than the justification, a champ from the 60s did it and became champ. Never mind that all his opponents were giving themselves that same disadvantage to level the playing field). Listen, believe in roadwork and do it if you like, you’re free to waste your time.
Next thing you are going to claim is legs aren't import in boxing.

You really are an insufferable troll :lol:
 
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Most boxers today are still using roadwork as part of their training too.
Yes, as I said to lose weight and for the general prep phase of their training program. A lot of boxers still believe in tradition and aren’t involved in professional training set ups.
Why don’t you understand that you’re not making a point/argument here?
Even in the 90s boxers like Parnell Whitaker and Holyfield didn’t do roadwork because of what the physiological facts are.
If a boxer today is running close to his fight they are doing themselves a serious disservice. That is the fact of the matter.
 
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Next thing you are going to claim is legs aren't import in boxing.

You really are an insufferable troll :lol:
Legs are the most important thing in boxing. Why am I troll, do I make you feel dumb? If you’ve disagreed with any specific thing I’ve said then address that, that’s more productive than generalisations and ad hominems directed at me. You’re embarrassing yourself mate.
 

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Yes, as I said to lose weight and for the general prep phase of their training program. A lot of boxers still believe in tradition and aren’t involved in professional training set ups.
Why don’t you understand that you’re not making a point/argument here?
Even in the 90s boxers like Parnell Whitaker and Holyfield didn’t do roadwork because of what the physiological facts are.
If a boxer today is running close to his fight they are doing themselves a serious disservice. That is the fact of the matter.
Again you are just being ridiculously selective and pedantic in the pursuit of prolonging a pointless argument.

Most boxers do roadwork - FACT.
 
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Again you are just being selective and ridiculously pedantic in the pursuit of prolonging a pointless argument.
I’m being selective with the examples of Whitaker and Holyfield as a counter-example to the use of Ali. What am I being pedantic about? Do you know what that word means? I explained context for you, since that is everything.
What’s pointless about it? Maybe if you don’t care for facts and information it’s pointless for you.
Some people care about improving and understanding things. If that’s not you and you want to continue thinking that the ideal way to train was established in the 60s, then great. Doesn’t affect me.
 
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It is amusing how stupid you are prepared to look in the pursuit of pointless arguments :lol:

Have fun with it. I have a life. Plainly you do not.
I have a brain. Plainly you don’t. The problem for you is that you would have to think hard, educate yourself and then you still wouldn’t be capable of discussing this with me. I jump on here while I’m having a coffee break and type up posts effortlessly in a minute or two. This is nothing to me, it would take a lifetime of research and cognitive ability that you’re simply not equipped with.
What I’m saying is that I understand, and it’s okay. Go back to your factory work or whatever it is that you do.
 
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Concussion, most likely. One of the side effects of getting clobbered upside the head.
That is the most logical reason. Ruiz went hard to the body as well and that probably played a part in Joshua looking flat footed and perhaps a little stunned and disinterested.
 
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That is the most logical reason. Ruiz went hard to the body as well and that probably played a part in Joshua looking flat footed and perhaps a little stunned and disinterested.
Those sixth round body shots were brutal, I knew Joshua was done after that. I thought he was going to take a knee. That’s when the fight left his body. Ruiz knew he could hurt him to the body and head, and end it anytime. What other heavyweights throw body shots like that? Parker goes alright but I can’t think of any significant others. Usyk has never shown much in terms of bodypunching, that needs to be a serious weapon for him and any other shorter guys who want to chop down these 6’5 plus heavyweights.
 
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He's right, Holyfield's team did away with roadwork. Tbf, they made good points.

Given Joshua science setup be interested in their reasoning if he is just doing plodding type mileage.
 
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He's right, Holyfield's team did away with roadwork. Tbf, they made good points.

Given Joshua science setup be interested in their reasoning if he is just doing plodding type mileage.
There have been innovators in all of the money sports. But even today most boxing gyms are a step back in time with jump ropes, medicine balls and groups of boxers heading out to pound the pavement.
 
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Just rewatched the fight, I just think Ruiz has his number, as soon as AJ gets within range he let’s go those combos and he’s easily timed, Ruiz has very fast hands and enough pop to end the fight.

This will go down in history, it does have shades of Price vs Thompson, I do think AJ has a mountain to climb in the rematch because the style clash just favours Ruiz, if AJ can win impressively it’s probably his best win, overcoming the mental factor alone is huge, Ruiz took AJs best shots and came back like they were nothing, he beat him up to the body and head, AJ was done.
 
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There have been innovators in all of the money sports. But even today most boxing gyms are a step back in time with jump ropes, medicine balls and groups of boxers heading out to pound the pavement.
Sure but that's grass roots level with coaches that volunteering, which is great, but not always most update or interested in latest ideas.

Joshua has access to the best of everything.
 
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Sure but that's grass roots level with coaches that volunteering, which is great, but not always most update or interested in latest ideas.

Joshua has access to the best of everything.
Don't get me wrong there are variations to every rule. But commonly training practices have been handed down from trainer to fighter to that fighter retiring and becoming a trainer and so on, and many successful gyms have just keep doing what they do because it has bought them success.

Joshua does has access to the best of everything. He can afford it. But I would be surprised if he doesn't skip, run and use a medicine ball.
 
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Where’s the idea coming from that he has problems with his conditioning anyway? He’s a 6’5 250 pound man who can throw powerful punches for 12 rounds. He isn’t a flyweight who doesn’t produce much work and uses up little energy. The more powerful you are the more energy you are using up when you throw punches. It’s shocking that he doesn’t throw one punch a round, he’s a phenomenonally fit athlete.
 
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Just rewatched the fight, I just think Ruiz has his number, as soon as AJ gets within range he let’s go those combos and he’s easily timed, Ruiz has very fast hands and enough pop to end the fight.

This will go down in history, it does have shades of Price vs Thompson, I do think AJ has a mountain to climb in the rematch because the style clash just favours Ruiz, if AJ can win impressively it’s probably his best win, overcoming the mental factor alone is huge, Ruiz took AJs best shots and came back like they were nothing, he beat him up to the body and head, AJ was done.
I do too. Ruiz is just a stylistic nightmare for AJ.
 
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AJ will need to follow the game plan in the rematch. Not sure why he deviated from it? He seemed to get sucked in and just threw the game plan out the window.
 
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I think the fight was going to plan against a game fighter, the Joshua catches him and drops Ruiz with a great left hook. He gets overexcited and gets caught by a few very hard hooks in round three and basically panics and fights like an amateur for the rest of the fight.

He was just looking to get ruiz out of there and leaving himself wide open in the process, I think it was a combination of him never fully recovering from round 3 plus a hurt ego and panic mode. He needed to take round 4 and 5 off and spoil the fight, then get his rhythm back and keep it at long range and do a Wlad impression on him.
Good post.