Joshua vs Pulev

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No Dave it never was. He has as good a record as any top heavyweight,better than most. The Ugonough guy was being highly touted,and looked like beating Brezeale but got stopped. Mansour is a himself a guy who British promoters won't entertain but Brezeale bettered him. I personally think Whyte might beat Brezeale in the extremely unlikely event they ever thought but its far too risky for it ever to happen. Helens is not the fighter who lost to Chisora but got the decision. He has only fought once this year and is a few years older than Dillan. In other words the best opponent they can get away with and just about right in this country. Whyte might even get a stoppage here ad stay on track for his title shot. Objective achieved.
Whyte and his crew won't be sweating Breazeale mate. Bloke needed a robbery to beat Fred Kassi, Mansour had him beat until he bit his own tongue or something. Yeah he beat Ugonough but that's because he clearly has a bad chin and an awful gas tank- he might have been highly touted but he's going nowhere.

Haymon is probably more likely to have turned this fight down than Hearn didn't want it. If AJ-Wilder don't happen next, Breazeale can be the latest in house fight for them- being they alreadly have a bit of a fake beef going on. If Whyte had beaten him, he would have been the obvious standard defense- probably even catapulting himself to WBC#1, and it's a fight team Wilder clearly didn't want despite Hearn breaking the bank to make
 
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Whyte and his crew won't be sweating Breazeale mate. Bloke needed a robbery to beat Fred Kassi, Mansour had him beat until he bit his own tongue or something. Yeah he beat Ugonough but that's because he clearly has a bad chin and an awful gas tank- he might have been highly touted but he's going nowhere.

Haymon is probably more likely to have turned this fight down than Hearn didn't want it. If AJ-Wilder don't happen next, Breazeale can be the latest in house fight for them- being they alreadly have a bit of a fake beef going on. If Whyte had beaten him, he would have been the obvious standard defense- probably even catapulting himself to WBC#1, and it's a fight team Wilder clearly didn't want despite Hearn breaking the bank to make
Sorry mate well have to agree to disagree here. Polar opposites on this one. Ive said before that I think Whyte may well be able to beat Brezeale if they fought. Despite the common stance that Brezeale was losing these fights he still won them and if nothing else they prove he is VERY difficult to get rid of. Balls of steel and being a big lump takes you a fair way in todays heavyweight division.
And I don't believe everything Hearn says either. Seen too much of promoters antics over the years. Despite most probably still agreeing with you about Brezeale,they probably agree with me on Eddie. Over to you @Back to Bill
 
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And I don't believe everything Hearn says either. Seen too much of promoters antics over the years. Despite most probably still agreeing with you about Brezeale,they probably agree with me on Eddie. Over to you @Back to Bill
You don't have to believe Hearn in regards to the Wilder offer, Wilder mentioned it himself on his Instagram and said they needed to offer more. In regards to the offer (in GBP) that Hearn made...Wilder said this...

"I tell you what... Make that offer of 3 million into 7 million and on OUR terms. Oh it's going to cost you to change my plans of what we about to do up and NO it's not on YOUR terms"

So in current exchange rates, that was a cold, hard offer of $4 million PLUS US TV money. He said no. :lol:

To put some additional perspective on that, his purse for the Washington fight was $900,000. So he was being offered $3.1 million more than his last fight, BEFORE TV money and he said no.

 
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You don't have to believe Hearn in regards to the Wilder offer, Wilder mentioned it himself on his Instagram and said they needed to offer more. In regards to the offer (in GBP) that Hearn made...Wilder said this...

"I tell you what... Make that offer of 3 million into 7 million and on OUR terms. Oh it's going to cost you to change my plans of what we about to do up and NO it's not on YOUR terms"

So in current exchange rates, that was a cold, hard offer of $4 million PLUS US TV money. He said no. :lol:

To put some additional perspective on that, his purse for the Washington fight was $900,000. So he was being offered $3.1 million more than his last fight, BEFORE TV money and he said no.

That is possibly the clearest duck in recent boxing history. Deontay is incredibly stupid to even try and justify this behaviour in any way. Why turn down a multiple of your largest payday to take an "easy fight" that builds your profile in the target market whilst building a huge fight vs AJ?
 

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Despite still having reservations about the legitimacy of Helenius at 13 days notice, I still think it's a decent enough card with a few potential good matchups mixed in with the usual showcases. I'll be watching, might even pay for it to guarantee it actually works. Joshua undercards are never going to be amazing because of his purse demands and also due to opponents upping theirs.

The fight itself? I think it could be a short blowout. Pulev is experienced and pretty skilled but I don't think he has enough about him to overcome the physical advantages that Joshua has over him.
 

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Whyte and his crew won't be sweating Breazeale mate. Bloke needed a robbery to beat Fred Kassi, Mansour had him beat until he bit his own tongue or something. Yeah he beat Ugonough but that's because he clearly has a bad chin and an awful gas tank- he might have been highly touted but he's going nowhere.

Haymon is probably more likely to have turned this fight down than Hearn didn't want it. If AJ-Wilder don't happen next, Breazeale can be the latest in house fight for them- being they alreadly have a bit of a fake beef going on. If Whyte had beaten him, he would have been the obvious standard defense- probably even catapulting himself to WBC#1, and it's a fight team Wilder clearly didn't want despite Hearn breaking the bank to make
Agree to an extent but he still hung around and toughed it out against Mansour and Ugonoh. He is a danger because he's a tough bastard with a great attitude. Would have been a great fight between him and Whyte but not surprised it hasn't happened. Whyte doesn't really need to be in any wars at the minute. I reckon he's potentially knocking on the door for an easy to make AJ rematch.
 
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You don't have to believe Hearn in regards to the Wilder offer, Wilder mentioned it himself on his Instagram and said they needed to offer more. In regards to the offer (in GBP) that Hearn made...Wilder said this...

"I tell you what... Make that offer of 3 million into 7 million and on OUR terms. Oh it's going to cost you to change my plans of what we about to do up and NO it's not on YOUR terms"

So in current exchange rates, that was a cold, hard offer of $4 million PLUS US TV money. He said no. :lol:

To put some additional perspective on that, his purse for the Washington fight was $900,000. So he was being offered $3.1 million more than his last fight, BEFORE TV money and he said no.

Thanks Strike. Interesting stuff. Im gonna have to study this a bit. But on brief reading it looks like a schoolboy tweet the gist of which is saying he wants the engine driver rather than what he sees as his oily rag. Pure greed. But I was more disagreeing about brezeale than Wilder. I could actually see him offering Wilder a lot of money for Whyte as a precursor to AJ. Its win win. If Whyte won theres the revenge,these 2 don't like each other angle. In the more likely event Wilder wins you've got a superfight.
But to coin a phrase Brezeale for Whyte is high risk low reward. And a dirty great drop if he loses.
 
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Agree to an extent but he still hung around and toughed it out against Mansour and Ugonoh. He is a danger because he's a tough bastard with a great attitude. Would have been a great fight between him and Whyte but not surprised it hasn't happened. Whyte doesn't really need to be in any wars at the minute. I reckon he's potentially knocking on the door for an easy to make AJ rematch.
Exactly what Ive been saying all along Dave. Ive put what I think about helenius in the Mervyn thread.
 
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Despite still having reservations about the legitimacy of Helenius at 13 days notice, I still think it's a decent enough card with a few potential good matchups mixed in with the usual showcases. I'll be watching, might even pay for it to guarantee it actually works. Joshua undercards are never going to be amazing because of his purse demands and also due to opponents upping theirs.

The fight itself? I think it could be a short blowout. Pulev is experienced and pretty skilled but I don't think he has enough about him to overcome the physical advantages that Joshua has over him.
From my point of view its an excellent card. But we've all seen cards where the actual one doesn't look like the original. I don't know how to stream cards. If people do thats fair enough. Just don't complain if it goes tits up. So Im with you on what you say. Im lucky I can afford to buy everything these days as its my main pleasure. But Im looking forward to it and yes Im having it. How many say they're not and then relent?
 

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You don't have to believe Hearn in regards to the Wilder offer, Wilder mentioned it himself on his Instagram and said they needed to offer more. In regards to the offer (in GBP) that Hearn made...Wilder said this...

"I tell you what... Make that offer of 3 million into 7 million and on OUR terms. Oh it's going to cost you to change my plans of what we about to do up and NO it's not on YOUR terms"

So in current exchange rates, that was a cold, hard offer of $4 million PLUS US TV money. He said no. :lol:

To put some additional perspective on that, his purse for the Washington fight was $900,000. So he was being offered $3.1 million more than his last fight, BEFORE TV money and he said no.

That is some god awful trash talk
 
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Wondering whether I should put a few quid on Ishida.Going through Boxrec, I notice this lad is 5'8", FIVE FOOT EIGHT!He's a Super Fly ffs.I'd imagine his reach would be a nightmare for any 115lb fighter.Undefeated too, which is not easy when you've had that many fights at that weight.I really rate Kal and want him to win to go on to have some massive fights at 115 but I feel like Ishida is being overlooked, I think he'll be a tricky opponent and Kal will have to dig deep to get through this.It seems more a "get our mandatory out of the way and then we go and get some big fights in the States" attitude from Eddie.
 
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Wondering whether I should put a few quid on Ishida.Going through Boxrec, I notice this lad is 5'8", FIVE FOOT EIGHT!He's a Super Fly ffs.I'd imagine his reach would be a nightmare for any 115lb fighter.Undefeated too, which is not easy when you've had that many fights at that weight.I really rate Kal and want him to win to go on to have some massive fights at 115 but I feel like Ishida is being overlooked, I think he'll be a tricky opponent and Kal will have to dig deep to get through this.It seems more a "get our mandatory out of the way and then we go and get some big fights in the States" attitude from Eddie.
Always hard to tell but he looks pretty meh to me and has struggled with some seriously average guys, I don't think 'he's tall and unbeaten' is enough to make me think this is a decent fight
 
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Always hard to tell but he looks pretty meh to me and has struggled with some seriously average guys, I don't think 'he's tall and unbeaten' is enough to make me think this is a decent fight
Like I alluded to, I was only trawling through Boxrec, have never actually seen him fight.Quite disappointing to hear, was hoping for a decent scrap.
 
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Sorry mate well have to agree to disagree here. Polar opposites on this one. Ive said before that I think Whyte may well be able to beat Brezeale if they fought. Despite the common stance that Brezeale was losing these fights he still won them and if nothing else they prove he is VERY difficult to get rid of. Balls of steel and being a big lump takes you a fair way in todays heavyweight division.
And I don't believe everything Hearn says either. Seen too much of promoters antics over the years. Despite most probably still agreeing with you about Brezeale,they probably agree with me on Eddie. Over to you @Back to Bill
Don't forget though before the Ortiz fight fell through, they already had Breazeale v Stiverne- most likely expecting DB to get the win and secure the mandatory shot. Now with Stiverne already getting the step aside money for Ortiz, they could have slotted in Whyte in the spot but they had no interest in that despite the career high paydays being offered for it.

Now if AJ decides to go a different route his next fight- say he fights Haye (if he beats Bellew) or Parker. Wilder is left holding his dick, so he can look to Breazeale- but he wouldn't be able to do that if Whyte had beaten him- for whatever reason Team Wilder (i.e Al Haymon) don't seem to fancy the job against Whyte

I'd say there is far more- FAR MORE- evidence that Haymon and crew don't want to deal with Whyte than Whyte doesn't want to deal with them.
 
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Agree to an extent but he still hung around and toughed it out against Mansour and Ugonoh. He is a danger because he's a tough bastard with a great attitude. Would have been a great fight between him and Whyte but not surprised it hasn't happened. Whyte doesn't really need to be in any wars at the minute. I reckon he's potentially knocking on the door for an easy to make AJ rematch.
I think it's Breazeale that don't need the wars. He's Wilder's plan B if the AJ fight doesn't happen next- that's why I think Whyte crew wanted it to muscle DB out of the position and force Wilder's hand.

AJ has options- Parker,. Haye if he beats Bellew, and Wilder himself. I don't think Whyte rematch is happening anytime soon, unless Whyte beats Parker or Wilder
 
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I think it's Breazeale that don't need the wars. He's Wilder's plan B if the AJ fight doesn't happen next- that's why I think Whyte crew wanted it to muscle DB out of the position and force Wilder's hand.

AJ has options- Parker,. Haye if he beats Bellew, and Wilder himself. I don't think Whyte rematch is happening anytime soon, unless Whyte beats Parker or Wilder
God forbid David gets a shot at AJ. He would get murdered. And now after Bellew almost everybody knows it. I said before the first fight I had no dog in the fight but if it stops Haye vs AJ Ive definitely got one in December. Also its looking like the Whyte rematch could happen very much sooner than we thought,like in 2 weeks time.
@UK fight fan as said we have to agree to disagree. No right or wrong answers here. Theres such a shortage of heavyweights around now,everybody MUST get their chance. Avoiding contenders will become glaringly obvious mate. Lets say Whytes Helenius fight goes ahead,by no means certain now,and Whyte wins,he will have put himself along with Miller as the number one contender. Pulev will have to get his shot and other than unifications between the 3 champions theres very little else.
I think Mervyn makes a good point about the money for the show already being shelled out. I hope he's right,even if Takam,who I consider not much better than Molina and likely to last as long with AJ,gets a shot.
 
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Sorry mate well have to agree to disagree here. Polar opposites on this one. Ive said before that I think Whyte may well be able to beat Brezeale if they fought. Despite the common stance that Brezeale was losing these fights he still won them and if nothing else they prove he is VERY difficult to get rid of. Balls of steel and being a big lump takes you a fair way in todays heavyweight division.
And I don't believe everything Hearn says either. Seen too much of promoters antics over the years. Despite most probably still agreeing with you about Brezeale,they probably agree with me on Eddie. Over to you @Back to Bill
I can only add one thing mate, a point that's set in stone, a point that's agreed by the old gods and the new, a point that is as real as Rob Palmer's tiny fists.

Eddie Hearn is a cunt.
 
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I can only add one thing mate, a point that's set in stone, a point that's agreed by the old gods and the new, a point that is as real as Rob Palmer's tiny fists.

Eddie Hearn is a cunt.
Another Amen to that. Although I don't dislike him as much as you do. I only hope this card doesn't disintegrate to the extent that everybody on this forum is agreeing with you. Cos it just might.
 
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Another Amen to that. Although I don't dislike him as much as you do. I only hope this card doesn't disintegrate to the extent that everybody on this forum is agreeing with you. Cos it just might.
I wouldn't like that either mate, if everybody agreed with me, I wouldn't have anybody to rage at, already I have seen former staunch Hearn fangirls come round to my way of thinking, I may forgive them and accept them into the circle but only if they bow, swear fealty to me and their allegiance to my house.
 
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God forbid David gets a shot at AJ. He would get murdered. And now after Bellew almost everybody knows it. I said before the first fight I had no dog in the fight but if it stops Haye vs AJ Ive definitely got one in December. Also its looking like the Whyte rematch could happen very much sooner than we thought,like in 2 weeks time.
@UK fight fan as said we have to agree to disagree. No right or wrong answers here. Theres such a shortage of heavyweights around now,everybody MUST get their chance. Avoiding contenders will become glaringly obvious mate. Lets say Whytes Helenius fight goes ahead,by no means certain now,and Whyte wins,he will have put himself along with Miller as the number one contender. Pulev will have to get his shot and other than unifications between the 3 champions theres very little else.
I think Mervyn makes a good point about the money for the show already being shelled out. I hope he's right,even if Takam,who I consider not much better than Molina and likely to last as long with AJ,gets a shot.
Takam is far better than Molina.
 
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