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Keir Starmer: Fan or Not A Fan?


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Rebecca Long-Bailey has been sacked :lol:

Rightly so, but the war between the centrists and the rabid left has now begun.
Please define the centrists and 'rabid left'.. Like Tony Benn and Ken Livingstone were radical left? Was Clement Atlee radical left too?
 
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Absolute implosion. I mean her role was election coordinator he could have moved her on quietly in a few months time, but he does it tonight. The party just has not got a clue on how to function. Best thing for everyone is if it just shuts down.
Not sure when it might have mattered giving Crayons the boot - shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic at the end of the day. I always thought Nandy might have been the way for Labour to go, but can't imagine it would have made much difference . The party is in terminal decline. Not good for democracy. Bojo could bend Her Maj over the dispatch box and the nation would likely respond with an indulgent chuckle... Just Boris being Boris, aye.
 

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Absolute implosion. I mean her role was election coordinator he could have moved her on quietly in a few months time, but he does it tonight. The party just has not got a clue on how to function. Best thing for everyone is if it just shuts down.
This is his idea of taking responsibility, firing someone that he hired in the first place. Just wait until the feminist carping starts about dumping all the blame on a woman.
 
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Not sure when it might have mattered giving Crayons the boot - shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic at the end of the day. I always thought Nandy might have been the way for Labour to go, but can't imagine it would have made much difference . The party is in terminal decline. Not good for democracy. Bojo could bend Her Maj over the dispatch box and the nation would likely respond with an indulgent chuckle... Just Boris being Boris, aye.
Lisa Nandy said that male rapists who identify as female should be housed in women's prisons, and this was in light of the case where that very thing happened and it resulted in two women getting raped. And by Labour standards Nandy is seen as moderate and not too bad for peddling these kind of insane identity politics. These crackpots are simply unelectable.
 

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Lisa Nandy said that male rapists who identify as female should be housed in women's prisons, and this was in light of the case where that very thing happened and it resulted in two women getting raped. And by Labour standards Nandy is seen as moderate and not too bad for peddling these kind of insane identity politics. These crackpots are simply unelectable.
This morning I’ve just been reading Sebastian TFG and others on CommieOFH, they are close to mass suicide over there.
 

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The Labour Reddit is priceless. Still going on about the country being built on colonialism and transphobia, and how it would have been different with Corbyn
 
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A lot of die hard Labour supports are still clinging on to the idea that people are deserting the party because of the 'right-wing' media and some vast conspiracy against them, rather than it having anything to do with them and their terrible attitude. Just spending a brief moment interacting with the average Labour Party activist will be enough to put most normal people off ever voting for these loons. They are mostly just not very nice people.

Speaking of which, I'm already seeing plenty of the usual comments and attitude of "oh well, we don't want their filthy racist votes anyway. These working class scum are just too thick and uneducated to appreciate our kinder, gentler politics.":lol:
 
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This is from the Conservative Reddit

My family used to vote Labour through and through, both on the working class side of my father and the university, academic left-wing side of my mother. Now none of them do.

For the simple reason that they like the country and there is precious little about Britain that Labour like. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's a party now defined by utter and total hate of:

  • British culture (if they even believe it exists for fuck sake)
  • English culture ("it doesn't exist and if it does it's racist")
  • British people ("don't exist and if they do it's anyone who so much as steps foot here")
  • Monarchy
  • British Liberal political tradition, including the structure of government, electoral process (free expression is a "threat to safety", ban dissent)
  • British heritage & monuments (all racist, empire blah blah blah, rename the streets, destroy the statues)
  • Most working class people (thicko racist xenophobic scum who dared to vote to leave the EU)
  • Old people (see above)
  • White people (irresolvably racist, Britain is an irrecoverably institutionally racist country, kneel and raise your fist you fucking bigot)
  • Masculinity (men can do nothing of worth, are to be mocked derided and treated like scum, never given attention or support because it wouldn't be feminist)
  • ...
There is just this giant list of things that you must despise to feel at home in the Labour party and it precludes most of the country. I reflexively don't like the Tories but whatever problems I have they aren't about existential threats to the political structure of the UK nor the perception that they rue me for my sex, skin, nationality and cultural values as the vile contingent of woke Labour do.
I feel like a culture war needs to be fought within the Labour party and left in general. Even if you fully support left wing economic policies (and why not? There are plenty of aspects of our country that are left wing and work great) it's going to be hard to vote for them when they fundamentally dislike our whole culture and history and will tear it down wherever they can.

I'd love if Labour were a socially conservative, pro British party with left wing economic policies. They'd be a viable alternative I'd consider voting for, but it would take a generation for that change to happen. As it stands I see no difference between Labour and the Lib Dems, who maybe should be the woke party for the inner city elites. Somebody needs to represent them politically, but it really shouldn't be the main left wing party because they're completely alienating their supposed core voters by taking a knee to BLM and advocating for a 'gender neutral security service' instead of the British Army :lol:
 
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I feel like a culture war needs to be fought within the Labour party and left in general. Even if you fully support left wing economic policies (and why not? There are plenty of aspects of our country that are left wing and work great) it's going to be hard to vote for them when they fundamentally dislike our whole culture and history and will tear it down wherever they can.

I'd love if Labour were a socially conservative, pro British party with left wing economic policies. They'd be a viable alternative I'd consider voting for, but it would take a generation for that change to happen. As it stands I see no difference between Labour and the Lib Dems, who maybe should be the woke party for the inner city elites. Somebody needs to represent them politically, but it really shouldn't be the main left wing party because they're completely alienating their supposed core voters by taking a knee to BLM and advocating for a 'gender neutral security service' instead of the British Army :lol:


That's a genuinely interesting graph because it highlights that this weird anti-British sentiment is real and it's very common among left wingers. The numbers for a country like France are what you'd expect because, sure, you might not always agree with the decisions that are made but, fundamentally, you have pride in who you are, what you've inherited and you want to pass on a better future to the next generation.

The current left in the UK do not support that. They're not just no longer patriotic, they actively resent this country and see something like pride as being a mystery. These people are living in the now, they don't respect tradition or understand why we're here, they see the modern world on a surface level without retrospection or foresight.

When things like the vaccine rollout happen, they're silent because the only thing they want to do is criticise. You have the UK doing the best job on vaccines in the world, from development, to trials, to international funding, to the rollout etc., and all these people can do is focus on whether we entered lockdown a week too later last March. That's how bitter these people are, they still think that the main talking points are about text messages to Dyson, not the overwhelming successes. They say nothing about the drug trials which have saved lives, nothing about the support for India, nothing about the innovation and the billions spent to protect people in countries which will never appreciate it.

They're not just anti-British because all the criticism is valid, they'll ignore everything that we can be proud of because they reject the idea of Britishness. They have no respect for the past, no pride in the present and no desire to make the future any better...it's just all about them, now. It's genuinely a childish, arrogant mindset.
 
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Squire

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That's a genuinely interesting graph because it highlights that this weird anti-British sentiment is real and it's very common among left wingers. The numbers for a country like France are what you'd expect because, sure, you might not always agree with the decisions that are made but, fundamentally, you have pride in who you are, what you've inherited and you want to pass on a better future to the next generation.

The current left in the UK do not support that. They're not just no longer patriotic, they actively resent this country and see something like pride as being a mystery. These people are living in the now, they don't respect tradition or understand why we're here, they see the modern world on a surface level without retrospection or foresight.

When things like the vaccine rollout happen, they're silent because the only thing they want to do is criticise. You have the UK doing the best job on vaccines in the world, from development, to trials, to international funding, to the rollout etc., and all these people can do is focus on whether we entered lockdown a week too later last March. That's how bitter these people are, they still think that the main talking points are about text messages to Dyson, not the overwhelming successes. They say nothing about the drug trials which have saved lives, nothing about the support for India, nothing about the innovation and the billions spent to protect people in countries which will never appreciate it.

They're not just anti-British because all the criticism is valid, they'll ignore everything that we can be proud of because they reject the idea of Britishness. They have no respect for the past, no pride in the present and no desire to make the future any better...it's just all about them, now. It's genuinely a childish, arrogant mindset.
Interesting numbers but hardly shocking. Depressing too, and explains their actions. They hate our country so why wouldn't they try to tear it down?
 
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That's a genuinely interesting graph because it highlights that this weird anti-British sentiment is real and it's very common among left wingers. The numbers for a country like France are what you'd expect because, sure, you might not always agree with the decisions that are made but, fundamentally, you have pride in who you are, what you've inherited and you want to pass on a better future to the next generation.

The current left in the UK do not support that. They're not just no longer patriotic, they actively resent this country and see something like pride as being a mystery. These people are living in the now, they don't respect tradition or understand why we're here, they see the modern world on a surface level without retrospection or foresight.

When things like the vaccine rollout happen, they're silent because the only thing they want to do is criticise. You have the UK doing the best job on vaccines in the world, from development, to trials, to international funding, to the rollout etc., and all these people can do is focus on whether we entered lockdown a week too later last March. That's how bitter these people are, they still think that the main talking points are about text messages to Dyson, not the overwhelming successes. They say nothing about the drug trials which have saved lives, nothing about the support for India, nothing about the innovation and the billions spent to protect people in countries which will never appreciate it.

They're not just anti-British because all the criticism is valid, they'll ignore everything that we can be proud of because they reject the idea of Britishness. They have no respect for the past, no pride in the present and no desire to make the future any better...it's just all about them, now. It's genuinely a childish, arrogant mindset.
Its not what the left believe that make them stupid and ridiculous. Its what theyll deliberately ignore in order to believe the things they believe.
its a willful ignorance. these aren't people that have looked at all the arguments and formed a rational balanced view. they dont want the whole truth known.
so the question becomes why wouldnt someone want to seek truth?
Its because despite all their claims of peace, tolerance and blah blah blah these are bitter, vicious and deeply malevolent people. which is why all their martyrs over and over and over keep being revealed as the most vile hypocritical pieces of shit.

the other interesting thing about that graph is the distance between the centre and the right/left. we keep being told that "reality has a left leaning bias" (lol)
but you can see with your own eyes its a way shorter distance from right to center than it is left to center. im certain youd find a similar parrallel on pretty much any issue. when it comes to the mainstream view theyre way out in orbit compared to virtually everyone else.
 
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Tko6

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That's a genuinely interesting graph because it highlights that this weird anti-British sentiment is real and it's very common among left wingers. The numbers for a country like France are what you'd expect because, sure, you might not always agree with the decisions that are made but, fundamentally, you have pride in who you are, what you've inherited and you want to pass on a better future to the next generation.

The current left in the UK do not support that. They're not just no longer patriotic, they actively resent this country and see something like pride as being a mystery. These people are living in the now, they don't respect tradition or understand why we're here, they see the modern world on a surface level without retrospection or foresight.

When things like the vaccine rollout happen, they're silent because the only thing they want to do is criticise. You have the UK doing the best job on vaccines in the world, from development, to trials, to international funding, to the rollout etc., and all these people can do is focus on whether we entered lockdown a week too later last March. That's how bitter these people are, they still think that the main talking points are about text messages to Dyson, not the overwhelming successes. They say nothing about the drug trials which have saved lives, nothing about the support for India, nothing about the innovation and the billions spent to protect people in countries which will never appreciate it.

They're not just anti-British because all the criticism is valid, they'll ignore everything that we can be proud of because they reject the idea of Britishness. They have no respect for the past, no pride in the present and no desire to make the future any better...it's just all about them, now. It's genuinely a childish, arrogant mindset.
I've become less nationalistic as I've gotten older. Boxing has probably played a big part in that, and living abroad, but there's a difference between not being particularly proud of ones country, and being tolerant to others just finding any reason to shit on the UK, England and its people and traditions. These spackers assume that if you're not constantly shitting on the country and pretty much everyone in it, you must be a Nazi, so I may as well be a raving nationalist as far as Labour goes.

Labour can pull out all the supposedly good policies they care to, but I'm not dealing with anyone who so obviously despises me, my colour, my nationality, and my gender, amongst other things.
 

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I see Labour might stoop really low and put up Jo Cox’s sister in the Batley by election.
desperate shit relying on the sympathy vote