Keith Thurman (WBA) vs. Manny Pacquaio - July 20th 2019

Thurman vs. Pacquaio Winner and How?

  • Keith Thurman Stoppage

    Votes: 3 11.1%
  • Keith Thurman Decision

    Votes: 10 37.0%
  • Manny Pacquaio Decision

    Votes: 6 22.2%
  • Manny Pacquaio Stoppage

    Votes: 8 29.6%

  • Total voters
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Jul 15, 2012
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Spence has unfinished business at 147, and Canelo is probably the hardest fight that he can make for himself. If Canelo is willing to come down to 154, he should take it.Errol has no business at 160 at this point, though, because he'll never get back down to welter.
He needs to call for the Canelo fight this time next year. Canelo will be outgrowing 160 and if he can get him at a catchweight even better.

I can't see him being Canelo at this point, but after getting some more experience and Canelo spending more time at 160 it will be perfect timing. Canelo likely retires young, but by the time he does making 160 will be a struggle. If Errol plays his cards right he could unify at WW, 154, and 160 and retire undefeated. Can't rush his career though or it won't end that way.
 

steviebruno

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Trust me they are all fighting each other next. They got nobody else to fight but each other. I read Spence v Porter and Garcia v Garcia was being made days ago.

Don't sleep on Garcia though those losses we're the best thing to happen to him. Brought him down to earth.
Hope you're right.
 

steviebruno

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He needs to call for the Canelo fight this time next year. Canelo will be outgrowing 160 and if he can get him at a catchweight even better.

I can't see him being Canelo at this point, but after getting some more experience and Canelo spending more time at 160 it will be perfect timing. Canelo likely retires young, but by the time he does making 160 will be a struggle. If Errol plays his cards right he could unify at WW, 154, and 160 and retire undefeated. Can't rush his career though or it won't end that way.
Definitely an underdog against Canelo.
 

steviebruno

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Feels like I went to war with @steviebruno and he now has my respect :lol: just like a real fight

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Just want to see the best fight the best, at the end of the day. We have promotional wars between HBO and Showtime, AND we have a monopoly also preventing fights from happening?

Can't we, the fans, get a break? That's all I'm saying. I was defending Wilder tooth and nail, and I haven't said a positive thing about him since he turned down the 100 million dollar deal.
 
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Just want to see the best fight the best, at the end of the day. We have promotional wars between HBO and Showtime, AND we have a monopoly also preventing fights from happening?

Can't we, the fans, get a break? That's all I'm saying. I was defending Wilder tooth and nail, and I haven't said a positive thing about him since he turned down the 100 million dollar deal.
I didn't know or must have forgotten about Wilder's deal. It's a lot of money, but he probably had to fight tougher fighters even leading up to a super fight with Anthony Joshua. I don't know, but once you made it to this point you really should play your cards, take easy fights, and do what's best for you and on your time. We hated Mayweather for it, but he probably wouldn't be undefeated had he fought Pacquiao 2010-2013. From what I remember they couldn't come to terms because Pacman didn't want blood drawn in the two weeks leading up to the fight. I know I didn't see Mayweather beating that version of Pacquiao though.

I met Ron Lyle and he told me you can (and should) fight people that are just below your skill level, but once you get into the top 10 of a division, all the fighters are world class and about on the same level. Having made it as far as Thurman and Wilder I only see it as them making the best decisions for themselves, but yeah Keith Thurman can be annoying and I don't see it ending well for him :lol:. I almost wish he step aside and retire or some shit because I think he knows a lose is inevitable and deep down actually scared to lose. He has some doubts deep down and I don't think Spence is scared to lose or thinks he will.
 
Jun 5, 2013
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Guerrero. LOL
Collazo. LOL

Porter, who lost to Kell Brook. LOL

Dany Garcia, who's literally done nothing at welterweight to this day. LOL

I agree that Keith Thurman was the man, but that was mostly by default. Look at his performances in those fights. Not particularly dominant against Guerrero, hurt by Collazo, ran from Porter in the championship rounds of a close fight, and then ran from a Danny Garcia who was moving up in weight.

He wasn't a dominant champ to begin with.

Spence has unfinished business at 147, and Canelo is probably the hardest fight that he can make for himself. If Canelo is willing to come down to 154, he should take it.Errol has no business at 160 at this point, though, because he'll never get back down to welter.

You can laugh but Collazo and Guerrero are decent fighters and would be top 5 wins on Spence's record, they are a lot better than the guys Kell brook was defending against. Honestly, Brook edged Porter in a close fight in August 2014 and that was the apex of Kell's career, he was a talented fighter who wasted his talent really. After GGG, Kell was never the same, I think Porter beats the version of Brook that Spence fought in 2017 and would beat Brook if they fought today. Spence fought a damaged Brook who was dead at the weight, that is a fact, it was a good win but not enough to make you number 1.

I like Spence, but the hype is over the top, let him fight the best guys then call him the king once he beats them. Right now, Spence is a belt holder who needs some big fights, he is 29, at his peak, been pro for 7 years but his record is really lack lustre, look at what Floyd, Manny or Oscar had done by age 29
 

steviebruno

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You can laugh but Collazo and Guerrero are decent fighters and would be top 5 wins on Spence's record, they are a lot better than the guys Kell brook was defending against. Honestly, Brook edged Porter in a close fight in August 2014 and that was the apex of Kell's career, he was a talented fighter who wasted his talent really. After GGG, Kell was never the same, I think Porter beats the version of Brook that Spence fought in 2017 and would beat Brook if they fought today. Spence fought a damaged Brook who was dead at the weight, that is a fact, it was a good win but not enough to make you number 1.

I like Spence, but the hype is over the top, let him fight the best guys then call him the king once he beats them. Right now, Spence is a belt holder who needs some big fights, he is 29, at his peak, been pro for 7 years but his record is really lack lustre, look at what Floyd, Manny or Oscar had done by age 29
Collazo is a good, not great, fighter past his prime, and honestly Amir Khan was far more impressive than Keith was against him, anyway. Guerrero was old, slow, and small, and he'd never really done anything at welterweight, anyway.

Are you sure that Porter has improved since his fight with Brook? Did you see his last performance against Ugas? Or the one before that, where he edged Danny Garcia, or the one before that, where he was tired and getting beaten up by Granados late? Shawn Porter is who he has always been, and might even be a bit faded from where he was in 2014. His style simply does not age well.

And if Spence is just another beltholder, please tell that to the Porters and Thumans of the world, who seem to have no trouble getting into the ring with the Danny Garcias of the world, yet get all choked up whenever Errol's name comes up.

 
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desertlizard

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I Voted pac decision, this version of pac is not knocking Thurman out, years before its another thread, but now just not happening, I can see the match going the distance in favour of Pac, I might be wrong and the decision favors One time, but he will have to work his ass out and use his tactics very well, cant really see him knocking pac that's for sure, fun fight
 
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I've got the All-Timer in a close one. Hope the judges are fair, but wouldn't be surprised if PBC youngsters get another favorable scorecard
That's why I'm confident in prediciting a Thurman decision, no matter who actually wins.

I think Thurman probably has the mobility to win legit, anyway, but the powers-that-be know a cash cow when they see one, and Manny's ready to be put out to pasture. Not much milk left in those aging teets.

IMO, it's a lock, unless Keef can pull a "juanma" on the congressman & end it early.
 
May 17, 2013
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I went out on a weak limb and said Thurman by KO. Pac's 10 years older, has had many more tougher fights, has a lot of ring wear and tear and Thurman is the naturally bigger man and will likely step into the ring near the 160 lb. range after he re-hydrates.

I really like Pac and he's been a great champion for all these years, but you just can't beat Father Time, especially the littler guys who rely on hand speed, foot speed and quick punching to make their living.
 
Jul 15, 2012
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Thurman is not that good and fades down the stretch. He fights in spurts. It's not a matter of if he losses, but when. I think Pac beats him and scores a knockdown or wins by TKO.
 

REDC

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We know Pacquiao does best when you come right at him (Cotto, Hatton) and has difficulties versus fighters that move away and/or are defensive minded (Mosley, Algieri). As much as I dislike Thurman, I think he'll win because of his constant movement and carefully picked counter shots. Would not surprise me if he ko'd Pac with one of his looping hooks when Pac leaves himself wide open and walking into it.
Would love for Manny to win though.
 
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I'd love for Pac to win. It'd be a great little addition to his late career resume, which I feel is quite underrated. Hard to believe that Pac-JMM4 was 7 years ago and he's still operating at a high level.

I do think Thurman will try to box off the back door with lots of movement. Thurman's career seems to have stalled a little but he looked a world class fighter a few years ago and he has power in his hands. Really interesting fight for me.
 
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