Brit/Ire Kinahan Panorama

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Saunders complaining he has lost sponsorship because of the program. Surely Kinahan can throw him some drug money or have the CEO's of the company's who cut his sponsorship executed in the car park?
I do wonder how Billy Joe seems to have so much cash to throw about, the guy hardly ever fights. No idea how much he makes a fight but I assume eubank was his biggest pay day?
 

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You’ll also find that Barry’s been outspoken against MTK for a long time mainly because they’re responsible for boxing been banned in Ireland so it’s not just sour grapes
 
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Saunders complaining he has lost sponsorship because of the program. Surely Kinahan can throw him some drug money or have the CEO's of the company's who cut his sponsorship executed in the car park?
I highly doubt Billy had any sponsorship to begin with. He got a backlash on social media for his brazen defence of Kinnahan.

Now he is pretending he is just upset about sponsorship.

Why would anyone sponsor Saunders when there are far more recognisable fighters out there with bigger profiles.
 
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You’ll also find that Barry’s been outspoken against MTK for a long time mainly because they’re responsible for boxing been banned in Ireland so it’s not just sour grapes
Boxing was never banned in Ireland, there was a media ban on all Irish media from MTK. Basically because their links to crime were being talked about.
 
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Finally I got round to watching this, just this moment finished, I already heard all of these allegations before, I'm not sure what prompted the BBC to investigate and go public now all of a sudden or what the purpose is, it was an hour of "allegedly" and "suspicion" but also of "no convictions" and "never been charged" so I don't really know what to make of it but I would like to know if someone can point me to the "Regency" movie that Daniel Kinahan put out? That looks like his side of the story and it's always best to hear both sides before concluding anything.

Interested to learn Frampton told the court he wasn't paying MTK, that was new information for me at least as I wasn't really following the court case. I assume that's just Frampton and not everyone but if it is everyone then that might be a focal point for the next documentary
 

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That the problem with Mafia Kingpins they are very good at never getting caught even though everyone knows they're responsible for the most heinous of crimes. Makes complete sense to me the people like Saunders and Fury are in with a dangerous man like that.
 
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That the problem with Mafia Kingpins they are very good at never getting caught even though everyone knows they're responsible for the most heinous of crimes. Makes complete sense to me the people like Saunders and Fury are in with a dangerous man like that.
Macklin must be a surprise though?
 

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The fallout from this seems bigger than I thought it would be so far.

It popped up on my recommendations for news stories and I thought “ah, someone has done a story on the Kinahans and MTK” and the next thing there are people in the sport being pressured to speak out against them and cut contacts.

Tyson Fury must be wondering what the fuck he has done by name checking him in an interview but what the fuck did Daniel Kinahan expect?

If the stories about this being a big vanity project are true, it’s a massive own goal to play around with something as high profile as world boxing, never mind potentially the biggest HW championship fight in a generation.

No one to blame but himself for this exposure, I mean everyone who follows Brit/Irish boxing to any degree is now aware of this guy through MTK.
 

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That the problem with Mafia Kingpins they are very good at never getting caught even though everyone knows they're responsible for the most heinous of crimes. Makes complete sense to me the people like Saunders and Fury are in with a dangerous man like that.
End of the day it’s the traveller community with deep ties to Ireland, of course they’d have no issue dealing with these guys.
 
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Khan is getting dumber by the year.
A walking talking PR disaster. Decides to chime in when he is not even signed up with MTK.
I don't know what Khan's motives were but I found the link to the Kinahan statement to be the best bit of the Tweet, just read it now and see he's having to beg to be treated as anyone else in terms of being considered innocent until so otherwise proven
 
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I don't know what Khan's motives were but I found the link to the Kinahan statement to be the best bit of the Tweet, just read it now and see he's having to beg to be treated as anyone else in terms of being considered innocent until so otherwise proven
(A) He can go back to Ireland and face upto those allegations. Instead of hiding in exile.

He has not done that.

(B) He can sue the individuals and media organisations. For libel and defamation of character.

He has not done that.

(C) He can provide a coherent explanation as to how he became a millionaire.

What he implied in his statement is that he grew up in poverty. But got involved in boxing 15 years ago worked his way up in the sport of boxing became a success and made his way to riches as a result. Except MTK nor its precursor MGM existed 15 year ago. And hardly anyone in boxing knew who he was until about 3 years or so ago. When that shootout happened during a weigh-in for a boxing event in Ireland.
 
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(A) He can go back to Ireland and face upto those allegations. Instead of hiding in exile.

He has not done that.

(B) He can sue the individuals and media organisations. For libel and defamation of character.

He has not done that.

(C) He can provide a coherent explanation as to how he became a millionaire.

What he implied in his statement is that he grew up in poverty. But got involved in boxing 15 years ago worked his way up in the sport of boxing became a success and made his way to riches as a result. Except MTK nor its precursor MGM existed 15 year ago. And hardly anyone in boxing knew who he was until about 3 years or so ago. When that shootout happened during a weigh-in for a boxing event in Ireland.
OK but what you're doing here is requiring that the accused person proves their innocence when it should be the other way around. I'm not saying either way whether or not the man is a villan or drug lord, I have no idea but I do know there are PLENTY of people who have been accused wrongfully before and many who have served prison sentences for crimes they weren't guilty of. You can't get that time back, an apology after your reputation has been ruined and years of your life taken is of no comfort so that's why it's crucial to have evidence and a fair trial before anyone is condemned.

Anyone making allegations must present evidence before a court of law, there can't be any compromise or exceptions to this.
 
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OK but what you're doing here is requiring that the accused person proves their innocence when it should be the other way around. I'm not saying either way whether or not the man is a villan or drug lord, I have no idea but I do know there are PLENTY of people who have been accused wrongfully before and many who have served prison sentences for crimes they weren't guilty of. You can't get that time back, an apology after your reputation has been ruined and years of your life taken is of no comfort so that's why it's crucial to have evidence and a fair trial before anyone is condemned.

Anyone making allegations must present evidence before a court of law, there can't be any compromise or exceptions to this.
What court of law? He lives in the UAE and has no charges pending there. He can only be charged in a court of law if he returns to Ireland.

He has not been accused of shop lifting. He is accused of being a head of an organised crime organisation. You dont get to be labelled as such accidentally or by mistake.

Frank Warren sues people at the drop of a hat for libel and defamation. Thats what libel laws are there for. And thats what people with money who are falsely accused and maligned do. Why has he not sued any of the media?
 
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What court of law? He lives in the UAE and has no charges pending there. He can only be charged in a court of law if he returns to Ireland.

He has not been accused of shop lifting. He is accused of being a head of an organised crime organisation. You dont get to be labelled as such accidentally or by mistake.

Frank Warren sues people at the drop of a hat for libel and defamation. Thats what libel laws are there for. And thats what people with money who are falsely accused and maligned do. Why has he not sued any of the media?
Actually that's not true, if Ireland presents evidence of criminal activity to a UAE court and a request that he be extradited then the court will look at it and decide whether or not it can proceed but they don't have any evidence that's why when he was in Ireland and Spain he was never extradited and that's why he was free to go to the UAE. All we've heard from the MEDIA is that his father is head of a drug cartel and since he is his father's son he must be involved as well. That's not fair is it?

Tyson Fury hasn't sued Deontay Wilder for claiming he cheated in their rematch, Breland hasn't sued him either for claiming he spiked his water, these are allegations that could do reputational damage but neither have sued, does that mean they're guilty? Many if not most are saying to Wilder provide some EVIDENCE or SHUT UP!
 
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Actually that's not true, if Ireland presents evidence of criminal activity to a UAE court and a request that he be extradited then the court will look at it and decide whether or not it can proceed but they don't have any evidence that's why when he was in Ireland and Spain he was never extradited and that's why he was free to go to the UAE. All we've heard from the MEDIA is that his father is head of a drug cartel and since he is his father's son he must be involved as well. That's not fair is it?

Tyson Fury hasn't sued Deontay Wilder for claiming he cheated in their rematch, Breland hasn't sued him either for claiming he spiked his water, these are allegations that could do reputational damage but neither have sued, does that mean they're guilty? Many if not most are saying to Wilder provide some EVIDENCE or SHUT UP!

UAE does not have an extradition treaty with Ireland.
 

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Actually that's not true, if Ireland presents evidence of criminal activity to a UAE court and a request that he be extradited then the court will look at it and decide whether or not it can proceed but they don't have any evidence that's why when he was in Ireland and Spain he was never extradited and that's why he was free to go to the UAE. All we've heard from the MEDIA is that his father is head of a drug cartel and since he is his father's son he must be involved as well. That's not fair is it?

Tyson Fury hasn't sued Deontay Wilder for claiming he cheated in their rematch, Breland hasn't sued him either for claiming he spiked his water, these are allegations that could do reputational damage but neither have sued, does that mean they're guilty? Many if not most are saying to Wilder provide some EVIDENCE or SHUT UP!
Its not easy to extradite someone at the best of times. In addition, Ireland don't have a treaty with the UAE, and he's not been arrested in the UAE.

Kinahan has several options if he wants to clear his name, he won't take them though, because it will mean going to court.

1. Hand himself into the Garda and face criminal proceedings. (if he loses he goes to jail).

2. Sue the media in the UK and Ireland. However this would leave him open to disclosure requests that would assist any criminal cases against him.


Further to this. Coming back to the UK or Ireland would leave him at risk of violent reprisals from his enemies.

He's not going to do anything other than release statements, make threats, and press people to speak up on his behalf.