Brit/Ire Kinahan Panorama

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Unlike a lot of people connected to Kinahan, Macklin & his brother Seamus have a few brain cells. Both have kept themselves well away from Kinahan for a few years now. I’d imagine both know a hell of a lot about what went off in Marbella & will do their utmost to keep quiet & not discuss it.
 
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Its not easy to extradite someone at the best of times. In addition, Ireland don't have a treaty with the UAE, and he's not been arrested in the UAE.

Kinahan has several options if he wants to clear his name
, he won't take them though, because it will mean going to court.

1. Hand himself into the Garda and face criminal proceedings. (if he loses he goes to jail).

2. Sue the media in the UK and Ireland. However this would leave him open to disclosure requests that would assist any criminal cases against him.


Further to this. Coming back to the UK or Ireland would leave him at risk of violent reprisals from his enemies.

He's not going to do anything other than release statements, make threats, and press people to speak up on his behalf.
But it's clear now that's the point. It's going to start to look as if I have a vested interest in this, I don't if he went to prison for 30 years and was guilty of everything I wouldn't bat an eyelid but the wider issue is the problem with the media or others making allegations against someone not providing any evidence that could lead to even a trial in any court and then the consumers of that media just taking the allegations as gospel and not caring about the other side of the story.

If someone ever accused me of any crime I would hope that people would afford me the presumption of innocence until a trial has ensued and I have had a chance not only to put my evidence forward but more importantly to test the evidence you're putting forward against me. It can't be tested on the chatrooms or in the BBC studios, I'm starting to understand why it is he's gone off to UAE now, would he even get a fair trial in Ireland? Is there a jury that can be put together who haven't already decided that he's guilty?

As far as I am aware (and I'm open to correction of course) there is no warrant for his arrest in Ireland, he can return there at anytime and the police wouldn't be able to do anything, that's what I picked up from the Panorama reading between the lines mind as they never said that but he was arrested in Spain and released without charge then he went on his way.

I concede the extradition point although the absence of a treaty (at least in UK law) doesn't prevent a country making a request to another country, Irish authorities may wish to consider this course of action but of course you need reasonable grounds and evidence to avoid being laughed out the door!
 
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@46 Wins let me tell you something. If you are in the inner city. You know exactly who is at the top of the food chain in the drugs world. So do the police. These are not low level street thugs, and street gangsters. Outwardly the top guys present an image of respectability as legitimate business and family people. They are careful to not allow any chain of evidence that leads back to them. Usually no ones willing to testify against them. Any potential witnesses in criminal investigations are either, threatened or bought off. Hard for police to pin anything.

See the guy in the article below he was the biggest druglord. In the Midlands for best part of 20 plus years. Police could not pin anything on him. Only managed, to get him on Tax charges. After he decided to build a replica of Buckingham Palace in Pakistan. He made the small mistake of purchasing the land and building and commissioning the palace using his own name. He came on the radar of the Pakistani Police, who then contacted the British.

He could not provide proof as to how he had acquired his income to build the palace. So they done him for Tax fraud.

Every young teenager knew who this guy was and he acquired a legendary status over the last 20 years. Knicknamed the "General".

Let me tell you something coming from the innercity you cant get labelled a head of organised crime by accident or by association thats not possible. Anyone who trys to pretend they are the main gangster for street cred, usually get taken care of by the real gangsters. Cus you cant have someone making any moves on your turf.

Absolutely and remember I'm not saying he is or isn't guilty of what he's been accused of, you could replace the name Daniel Kinahan with any other and I'd be making the same case. I've been to court on a civil matter where I was the claimant, the defendant decided to lie and forge documents for the court, the court accepted his testimony and evidence, both he and I KNOW that he was guilty and lied under oath, I know it, he knows it but the court didn't, despite this I can't enforce the debt now because a ruling has been made. Point is what we know in our heart of hearts doesn't have any legal weight and the justice system doesn't take it into account, it only looks at paperwork, reviews video footage, takes testimony and then deliberates on that and that alone. It's the best and fairest system we could possibly come up with.

I'll be sure to read the article later on when I get back online.
 

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But it's clear now that's the point. It's going to start to look as if I have a vested interest in this, I don't if he went to prison for 30 years and was guilty of everything I wouldn't bat an eyelid but the wider issue is the problem with the media or others making allegations against someone not providing any evidence that could lead to even a trial in any court and then the consumers of that media just taking the allegations as gospel and not caring about the other side of the story.

If someone ever accused me of any crime I would hope that people would afford me the presumption of innocence until a trial has ensued and I have had a chance not only to put my evidence forward but more importantly to test the evidence you're putting forward against me. It can't be tested on the chatrooms or in the BBC studios, I'm starting to understand why it is he's gone off to UAE now, would he even get a fair trial in Ireland? Is there a jury that can be put together who haven't already decided that he's guilty?

As far as I am aware (and I'm open to correction of course) there is no warrant for his arrest in Ireland, he can return there at anytime and the police wouldn't be able to do anything, that's what I picked up from the Panorama reading between the lines mind as they never said that but he was arrested in Spain and released without charge then he went on his way.

I concede the extradition point although the absence of a treaty (at least in UK law) doesn't prevent a country making a request to another country, Irish authorities may wish to consider this course of action but of course you need reasonable grounds and evidence to avoid being laughed out the door!
They didn't say anything libellous though.

Just pointed out all the accusations against him, his links to lots of known criminals, his links to boxing, the murders of related people, the shootings near his gym, and the odd financial set up of MTK.

Everything they put in the show was documented elsewhere, or had photographic or video evidence.

They didn't say he was a kingpin, they said he had been named as one and the organisation was known as the kinahan cartel.

If you were accused of a crime then you would be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law. Individuals could look at the available evidence and make up their own minds however. As they are doing with Kinahan.

If you thought the accusation was libellous, slanderous, or had caused you damage then you would have legal recourse.

As does Kinahan, he also has the funds available to make use of that legal recourse. The fact he doesn't is the most damming evidence of all.
 
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I wanted to watch it in full before posting.

All I can say who was the Irish women reporter saying MTK spent a lot of money on a well presented video on why people have it in for Daniel Kinahan. It was awful I can't find it anywhere on YouTube has it been take down ?
 
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They didn't say anything libellous though.

Just pointed out all the accusations against him, his links to lots of known criminals, his links to boxing, the murders of related people, the shootings near his gym, and the odd financial set up of MTK.

Everything they put in the show was documented elsewhere, or had photographic or video evidence.

They didn't say he was a kingpin, they said he had been named as one and the organisation was known as the kinahan cartel.

If you were accused of a crime then you would be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law. Individuals could look at the available evidence and make up their own minds however. As they are doing with Kinahan.

If you thought the accusation was libellous, slanderous, or had caused you damage then you would have legal recourse.

As does Kinahan, he also has the funds available to make use of that legal recourse. The fact he doesn't is the most damming evidence of all.

Who do you think Barry was on about when he said a boxer was on the phone to MTK whilst in the McGuigan gym then left to join them ?

Who was the 6 boxers to leave Cyclone Frampton Taylor ?
 
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Who do you think Barry was on about when he said a boxer was on the phone to MTK whilst in the McGuigan gym then left to join them ?

Who was the 6 boxers to leave Cyclone Frampton Taylor ?
Cameron, McGregor, Cummings. Do not believe too much Mcguigan says as he has a track record of lying
 
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@Dynamito @Bob Weaver

Have you boys seen this? It's timestamped so just click on it and it'll get straight to the point
Having re-read your previous posts, I would like to apologise for misunderstanding and not fully comprehending what you were stating . The points you made are 100% correct.

Although I am not sure Peter is the best character witness in this situation.Given his criminal background.

But his comments about the sensationalist British media I agree with they are not to be trusted.

My opinions were based on the Irish media. And the angry responses from people in Ireland and Dublin. On Billy Saunders and Amir Khans twitter pages.

As for the rest of your comments I think you are right purely from legal perspective. And an ethical perspective in the interests of justice. And to avoid miscarriages of justice, a person is entitled to a complete and fair trial.

I dont see how Daniel Kinahan could receive a fair trial. When he has already been hung drawn and quartered by the media and press. He has been convicted without trial. Where on earth would they find an unbiased jury. Someone like me could not be a member of the jury when I have already decided he is guilty.

Like you I have also seen documentaries and read of innocent individuals who were convicted, some for decades before finally being proven. Innocent.

And in many of these cases the individuals where convicted by the media before a trial had even taken place. Thus clouding and polluting the minds of the public. The way the media and crooked prosecutors and police presented those cases and in some cases embellished or even fabricated evidence sometimes extracted false confessions . You could not help but think these people were guilty as sin. Via the media coverage.

So overall from a legal, ethical, moral perspective and interests of fair trial and justice.

I would say you are right and I am wrong. My opinion is clouded with bias and emotions. And influenced by others and my own experiences which are totally unrelated to this case. So thank you for sticking to your guns. It has given me room to reflect on how my own opinions are formed. And how easily prone to bias my opinions are.
 
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One thing occurred to me whilst watching this documentary boxing is a very good way to launder drug money, invest all your dirty money in a fighter pay for his training fights venues with the drug money when he hits the big time get all the investment back clean money. Kinahan is a smart man
 
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Kind of a side point here..but does anyone remmber back in the day (like 4 or 5 years ago) when posters on this forum were afraid to even openly talk about Kinahan's alleged activities? It was always like a ''DM me for details mate'' kind of thing:lol:

Its amazing the kind of fear these gangsters evoke in people. It was as if MTK had some guy just scanning the forums 24/7 waiting to line up a hit squad to bust a cap in the ass of any posters badmouthing MTK:good

Allegedly of course :good
 
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Although I still think there is areasonable chance he is guilty of things he has been accused off... But what I think is irrelevant there needs to be a due legal process.

He needs a fair trial. With clear proof and evidence against him and an opportunity to challenge that evidence.

Theres is also a strong possibility that he is indeed innocent of all that he has been accused off.

There have been many cases like that of the Central Park Five were people looked guilty as sin media convicted them the police had even extracted confession but they were actually innocent.
 
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Kind of a side point here..but does anyone remmber back in the day (like 4 or 5 years ago) when posters on this forum were afraid to even openly talk about Kinahan's alleged activities? It was always like a ''DM me for details mate'' kind of thing:lol:

Its amazing the kind of fear these gangsters evoke in people. It was as if MTK had some guy just scanning the forums 24/7 waiting to line up a hit squad to bust a cap in the ass of any posters badmouthing MTK:good

Allegedly of course :good
Yep I remember that...All these guys claiming to have some sort of inside info. On Irish gansters behind the scenes involved in boxing. But too afraid to post their names in the threads.
 
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Kind of a side point here..but does anyone remmber back in the day (like 4 or 5 years ago) when posters on this forum were afraid to even openly talk about Kinahan's alleged activities? It was always like a ''DM me for details mate'' kind of thing:lol:

Its amazing the kind of fear these gangsters evoke in people. It was as if MTK had some guy just scanning the forums 24/7 waiting to line up a hit squad to bust a cap in the ass of any posters badmouthing MTK:good

Allegedly of course :good
You still have to do that on irish forums