Last Images of Lisanne Froon & Kris Kremers - 2 girls lost hiking in Panama

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Pretty hard to judge what you would do unless you are in such a situation.
No , its very easy to know running around dangerous terrain in the dark is the wrong thing to do. Thats how you get lost further , never mind the risk of falling to death , which is what happened. You'd have to be an moron to believe they tried to find their way out of the woods at night using a split second camera flash as their guide. Its very obvious other factors were at play.
 

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People who can't see how easy it is to get lost in 3 miles are underestimating the terrain.

Bear in mind the search teams were out there for days whilst at least one was still alive.all sound is contained,dogs can't get a scent,it is dense jungle with boggy and claustrophobic trails.these articles mention that the native tribes try to avoid certain trails as they are potentially lethal even for them.theres also the story about how 8 apprentice guides got lost and had to be saved in that same area.some trails can't be walked up due to the severity of them and the mud can be up to your knees.

Fact is they were unprepared for such a trip even in good conditions.they decided against using a guided trek and stay overnight,then they obviously veered off the 'safe' track.
 
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No , its very easy to know running around dangerous terrain in the dark is the wrong thing to do. Thats how you get lost further , never mind the risk of falling to death , which is what happened. You'd have to be an moron to believe they tried to find their way out of the woods at night using a split second camera flash as their guide. Its very obvious other factors were at play.
I'll give you a chance then...

What's your theory?
 
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As much as Id love to go with your theory,expert analysis points at the camera use being for marking points out.theres even the belief you can see one body on the one photo.

We don't much care for expert opinion these parts.

I have no idea what happened to these two women. If in doubt go for the most mundane solution - they became lost, had an accident, and were messed up through drinking the local water. Either that or they were kidnapped by a tribe of Native Amazonian lesbians. Kremers especially was made to endure the most sickening lesbian sexual abuse, possibly with enforced bestiality thrown in for good measure. Froon was made to watch.
 

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People who can't see how easy it is to get lost in 3 miles are underestimating the terrain.

Bear in mind the search teams were out there for days whilst at least one was still alive.all sound is contained,dogs can't get a scent,it is dense jungle with boggy and claustrophobic trails.these articles mention that the native tribes try to avoid certain trails as they are potentially lethal even for them.theres also the story about how 8 apprentice guides got lost and had to be saved in that same area.some trails can't be walked up due to the severity of them and the mud can be up to your knees.


Fact is they were unprepared for such a trip even in good conditions.they decided against using a guided trek and stay overnight,then they obviously veered off the 'safe' track.

You say that but if some plantation slaves had escaped through there, you can bet your ass they'd have found them! And that was in the 1800s, let alone 2016.
 

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You say that but if some plantation slaves had escaped through there, you can bet your ass they'd have found them! And that was in the 1800s, let alone 2016.
We don't know how many plantation slaves did die as a result of getting lost or separated from guides on the Underground Railroad. Froon and Kremers were beneficiaries of Missing Prominent White Girl Syndrome, like Natalee Holloway, Amelia Earhart and Elizabeth Smart. They were not going to disappear without being missed. But nobody cares when bones of some indigenous Ngobe tribe members like the woman who brought that backpack to the authorities turns up during the search for Froon and Kremers.
 
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People who can't see how easy it is to get lost in 3 miles are underestimating the terrain.

Bear in mind the search teams were out there for days whilst at least one was still alive.all sound is contained,dogs can't get a scent,it is dense jungle with boggy and claustrophobic trails.these articles mention that the native tribes try to avoid certain trails as they are potentially lethal even for them.theres also the story about how 8 apprentice guides got lost and had to be saved in that same area.some trails can't be walked up due to the severity of them and the mud can be up to your knees.

Fact is they were unprepared for such a trip even in good conditions.they decided against using a guided trek and stay overnight,then they obviously veered off the 'safe' track.
Yup. Could be as simple as "hey that looks interesting over there let's have a look." 10 minutes later you're fucked.

I consider myself pretty good with directional awareness, and I've gotten myself turned around in woods much less intense than that before. Very easy to lose your bearings.
 
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I'm already freaked out by this stuff. People make out like the world is more dangerous than it's ever been - but service appears uninterrupted since the beginning of time!
I posit that people are also more stupid than they've ever been. There are girls who grow up to be Ronda Rousey, thinking that they can beat the best male boxers in the world because they saw Sarah Michelle Gellar do it to male monsters repeatedly in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and think that's real life. I read a stupid negative television review by some stupid cunt bitch, then discovered at the end of her review that her primary academic "credential" was a master's degree for a thesis studying the works of Joss Whedon!" Oh yay! When does somebody get a Rhodes Scholarship, Pulitzer, or Nobel Prize in Literature for doing a piece on the Powerpuff Girls?
 
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People who can't see how easy it is to get lost in 3 miles are underestimating the terrain.

Bear in mind the search teams were out there for days whilst at least one was still alive.all sound is contained,dogs can't get a scent,it is dense jungle with boggy and claustrophobic trails.these articles mention that the native tribes try to avoid certain trails as they are potentially lethal even for them.theres also the story about how 8 apprentice guides got lost and had to be saved in that same area.some trails can't be walked up due to the severity of them and the mud can be up to your knees.

Fact is they were unprepared for such a trip even in good conditions.they decided against using a guided trek and stay overnight,then they obviously veered off the 'safe' track.
On a 3 mile walk you're never going to get further than a mile and a half max from the edge of the forest. Even just a little bit of planning like bringing a compass should have saved them from getting lost. They done fucked up.
 

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Without a compass? Yes. Effectively impossible.

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I don't think so. With two of you? Start together on a spot, one walks in a direction as far as the other can see. Then the second one walks straight and overtakes the first and walks the equivalent distance ahead. With one stationary and watching, it's quite hard to veer off at right angles and endlessly circle. Alternatively, find a water source and follow it.
 
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I don't think so. With two of you? Start together on a spot, one walks in a direction as far as the other can see. Then the second one walks straight and overtakes the first and walks the equivalent distance ahead. With one stationary and watching, it's quite hard to veer off at right angles and endlessly circle. Alternatively, find a water source and follow it.
I believe following that piece of hiking lore,along with no maps or compass,is what lead to their deaths.

They should have just gone back up the hill-which they would have done(instead of following the water flow deeper into the jungle), if they had planned ahead.



 
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Lots of theories and all wrong.. This was two girls doing some serious and dedicated trolling. Look at the date they supposedly "disappeared". They are alive and well laughing themselves silly every day at the best Aprils Fools Day prank ever pulled. Full credit to them, though, it's a hell of a prank.

Fortunately, they both suffered from body dysmorphic syndrome allowing one to use the foot she hated and the other to shed the bit of pelvis that tormented her as props in their jape. You'll see, they'll both come funny-walking into town when they get tired of their lives with the Indians, tripping out on ayahuasca.
 
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I believe following that piece of hiking lore,along with no maps or compass,is what lead to their deaths.

hey should have just gone back up the hill-which they would have done(instead of following the water flow deeper into the jungle), if they had planned ahead.



I've studied a couple of maps & diagrams attempting to show the route these two girls took. I get more confused the further I study them. If I can get confused looking at a google map im sure these two girls could became all too easily lost in the deepest, darkest jungle.
 
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I've studied a couple of maps & diagrams attempting to show the route these two girls took. I get more confused the further I study them. If I can get confused looking at a google map im sure these two girls could became all too easily lost in the deepest, darkest jungle.
A mile deep hardly constitutes "deepest".

They shouldn't have gone on that walk then should they?


Basically what I'm saying is that I'm a fucking legend and I'd have survived riding jaguars and eating sloths.
 
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I've studied a couple of maps & diagrams attempting to show the route these two girls took. I get more confused the further I study them. If I can get confused looking at a google map im sure these two girls could became all too easily lost in the deepest, darkest jungle.
It's not really that complicated. If they had just summited the hill/mountain and got back down down retracing their steps.


Sendero El Pianista (The Piano Player)

The trail can be broken into three "sections". In the first 45 minutes, you'll walk through open area pasture land with gorgeous views of the surrounding mountains and downtown Boquete. Second you enter a dense jungle surrounded by lush vegetation, birds and insects. In here you'll walk for about 1.5 hours and enter the cloud forest where it is very humid and magical, as you're literally walking in the clouds! Finally after another 30 minutes climbing the mountain, you'll reach the top and will be fully enveloped in the cloud forest. It's really an amazing experience!

https://www.hablayapanama.com/ecotourism/boquete/hiking/#pianista



Instead,it seems they kept on going,over the mountain. And this is just poor planning for a day's hike:


Believe it or not, this trail actually goes all the way to Bocas del Toro and crosses the "Continental Divide" (on one side of the mountain the water flows to the Pacific, on the other side of the mountain the water flows to the Caribbean). The entire hike from Boquete to Bocas del Toro would take 3 - 6 days depending on the time of the year and hikers' condition.
 

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I don't think so. With two of you? Start together on a spot, one walks in a direction as far as the other can see. Then the second one walks straight and overtakes the first and walks the equivalent distance ahead. With one stationary and watching, it's quite hard to veer off at right angles and endlessly circle. Alternatively, find a water source and follow it.
Well your dead then as finding a water source and following it is what did them.

Photos taken by the river aren't on any trail so the locals say that must have been their solution to being lost.however they should have gone to the highest point they could.
 

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So what, the water arrives from nowhere and vanishes within a 3 mile radius?

What does going high achieve?