Lee Duffy Whole of the Moon

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I got the Lee Duffy book for Christmas, pretty decent read but how would he have done in the street against Lenny Mclean.
Id have loved to have seen that.
 
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Im sure youd have kicked both their arses!! Let me guess!!!!>> youre a CAGEEEEEEEEEEEEE FIGHTER!!!>>
 

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Im sure youd have kicked both their arses!! Let me guess!!!!>> youre a CAGEEEEEEEEEEEEE FIGHTER!!!>>
No I just think they are fuckwit bullies and general scummy cunts who do little to nothing that's good for anybody. I'm not impressed with people whose entire life is puffing their chest out, strutting around acting the big shot and bullying people. Being a local tough guy asshole is not impressive or admirable to me. Sorry.

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No I just think they are fuckwit bullies and general scummy cunts who do little to nothing that's good for anybody. I'm not impressed with people whose entire life is puffing their chest out, strutting around acting the big shot and bullying people. Being a local tough guy asshole is not impressive or admirable to me. Sorry.

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It's not hard to understand.

In a world where the majority of us conform, avoid confrontation, try to stay safe etc - it's then fascinating to see a hard cunt who knows he's going to get killed going around fighting every mad cunt going to prove he's the hardest bastard around.

Same reason people are fascinated with someone like Lee Duffy is the same reason they'd be be fascinated by someone like Escobar or fascinated by Mike Tyson or fascinated by a serial killer. Mad cunts are intriguing to see, read and hear about.
 

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It's not hard to understand.

In a world where the majority of us conform, avoid confrontation, try to stay safe etc - it's then fascinating to see a hard cunt who knows he's going to get killed going around fighting every mad cunt going to prove he's the hardest bastard around.

Same reason people are fascinated with someone like Lee Duffy is the same reason they'd be be fascinated by someone like Escobar or fascinated by Mike Tyson or fascinated by a serial killer. Mad cunts are intriguing to see, read and hear about.
No.

Escobar was like a movie villain, he led an incredible, surreal life that none of us can even really comprehend. Same with serial killers, they are so far removed from the norm that we can barely even regard them as human beings. But there's nothing fascinating about some meathead who the only thing he has going for him in life is that he can get drunk and scrap outside a local pub, and he can't go anywhere without being a cunt. Lee Duffy wasn't heading a billion dollar empire like Escobar did, he was just a small-town bullying fuckwit on a road to nowhere, who was never going to do anything significant or particularly interesting.

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I’d never heard of Lee Duffy until I started posting on ESB and seen the odd thread on him in the Lounge. Always seemed like a 2 bit small town nutter to me. I’ve no idea why anyone outside of Middlesbrough would be interested in the guy.
 

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No.

Escobar was like a movie villain, he led an incredible, surreal life that none of us can even really comprehend. Same with serial killers, they are so far removed from the norm that we can barely even regard them as human beings. But there's nothing fascinating about some meathead who the only thing he has going for him in life is that he can get drunk and scrap outside a local pub, and he can't go anywhere without being a cunt. Lee Duffy wasn't heading a billion dollar empire like Escobar did, he was just a small-town bullying fuckwit on a road to nowhere, who was never going to do anything significant or particularly interesting.

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Of course he's interesting, people buy books on gangsters all the time.

Duffy led a fucking ridiculous life, set on fire more than once, shot, stabbed, and had thousands of documented fights. This is nothing new, people like that are extreme outliers, and obviously live more interesting lifes than most people. If you are from areas similar to this, it makes sense that you're going to find stories about someone who ruled the entire towns and cities with their fists fascinating. No one is holding him up as a good person, as that's not a basis for finding someones life interesting.

We are talking about a purely tapped individual, being brutally bullied as a child turned him into a monster that physically tortured an entire town for nearly a decade, police included. It's interesting just from a psychological stand point, complete acceptance of an early death, zero fear etc.

If you're interested in reading about hardmen and underworld figures, then you will find his life interesting, if you don't then you probably wont. Same as anything really, yet your acting in shock that anyone could be interested in reading about him. You're from New Zealand ffs, you literally couldn't be any further removed, no one would expect you to find this interesting Haggis.
 
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Of course he's interesting, people buy books on gangsters all the time.

Duffy led a fucking ridiculous life, set on fire more than once, shot, stabbed, and had thousands of documented fights. This is nothing new, people like that are extreme outliers, and obviously live more interesting lifes than most people. If you are from areas similar to this, it makes sense that you're going to find stories about someone who ruled the entire towns and cities with their fists fascinating. No one is holding him up as a good person, as that's not a basis for finding someones life interesting.

We are talking about a purely tapped individual, being brutally bullied as a child turned him into a monster that physically tortured an entire town for nearly a decade, police included. It's interesting just from a psychological stand point, complete acceptance of an early death, zero fear etc.

If you're interested in reading about hardmen and underworld figures, then you will find his life interesting, if you don't then you probably wont. Same as anything really, yet your acting in shock that anyone could be interested in reading about him. You're from New Zealand ffs, you literally couldn't be any further removed, no one would expect you to find this interesting Haggis.
I've read a shitload of true crime books. A guy like Jon Roberts (for example) led an incredible criminal life. He was importing tend of millions of dollars of cocaine in one shipment. He was flying his helicopter to big race meets and watching horses he owned win major races. He was dragging people behind his speedboat in Florida while alligators tried to catch them. He was balls deep in the New York mafia. He was living in a multimillion-dollar country estate with a pet mountain lion in the house. He was having speedboats custom built to carry a couple hundred kilos of coke and sit six inches above the waterline, so the Coast Guard boats couldn't detect them and couldn't catch them in a race. Etc etc etc. Interesting stuff, in other words.

Lee Duffy was getting drunk in the same shithole pubs in the same nothing towns that he was getting drunk in when he was 16, and driving to Newcastle to beg for a pointless fight with another local tough guy because that's all he could think of doing with his criminal career.

One is a fascinating, larger than life character whose life is like something out of a movie. The other is the local scummy bully. That's the difference.

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Of course he's interesting, people buy books on gangsters all the time.

Duffy led a fucking ridiculous life, set on fire more than once, shot, stabbed, and had thousands of documented fights. This is nothing new, people like that are extreme outliers, and obviously live more interesting lifes than most people. If you are from areas similar to this, it makes sense that you're going to find stories about someone who ruled the entire towns and cities with their fists fascinating. No one is holding him up as a good person, as that's not a basis for finding someones life interesting.

We are talking about a purely tapped individual, being brutally bullied as a child turned him into a monster that physically tortured an entire town for nearly a decade, police included. It's interesting just from a psychological stand point, complete acceptance of an early death, zero fear etc.

If you're interested in reading about hardmen and underworld figures, then you will find his life interesting, if you don't then you probably wont. Same as anything really, yet your acting in shock that anyone could be interested in reading about him. You're from New Zealand ffs, you literally couldn't be any further removed, no one would expect you to find this interesting Haggis.
I’m pretty sure New Zealand will have had their own Lee Duffy’s mate. We’re not talking about some major criminal player here, he was just an unhinged thug who loved a scrap and didn’t have two brain cells to rub together. No doubt he was off his head but NZ have probably had a fair few similarly mad Maori cunts over the years. If Duffy had’ve been from a bigger city in the UK we’d probably not have heard that much about him.
 
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I’m pretty sure New Zealand will have had their own Lee Duffy’s mate. We’re not talking about some major criminal player here, he was just an unhinged thug who loved a scrap and didn’t have two brain cells to rub together. No doubt he was off his head but NZ have probably had a fair few similarly mad Maori cunts over the years. If Duffy had’ve been from a bigger city in the UK we’d probably not have heard that much about him.
What's your point?

I'm sure NZ does have similar characters, and the same rules apply, if you are from there and find that kind of thing interesting, you'd find their life fascinating as well. I wouldn't find a Duffy character from NZ that interesting because I'm far removed from it, in the UK it's obviously much more relateable.

Him being a thug couldn't be any less relevant here, he's interesting because of the stories and reputation attached to him...because it makes interesting reading. Of course he's a thug, and an idiot, so is every Mafia mongo that you read about. It's all about scale, obviously he was not running a criminal underworld, but if you're from these kind of areas and have similar stories in your neck of the woods, it's relevant to your situation.
 
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What's your point?

I'm sure NZ does have similar characters, and the same rules apply, if you are from there and find that kind of thing interesting, you'd find their life fascinating as well. I wouldn't find a Duffy character from NZ that interesting because I'm far removed from it, in the UK it's obviously much more relateable.

Him being a thug couldn't be any less relevant here, he's interesting because of the stories and reputation attached to him...because it makes interesting reading. Of course he's a thug, and an idiot, so is every Mafia mongo that you read about. It's all about scale, obviously he was not running a criminal underworld, but if you're from these kind of areas and have similar stories in your neck of the woods, it's relevant to your situation.
If you live local to where he was from and are interested in that kind of thing then fair enough, but if you’re not from Boro then I really don’t see why anyone would be interested in reading him. My original point was I’ve seen loads of posts about him both on the old ESB lounge and on here over the years and I’ve never understood it because there’s Lee Duffy’s everywhere.
 

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I’m pretty sure New Zealand will have had their own Lee Duffy’s mate. We’re not talking about some major criminal player here, he was just an unhinged thug who loved a scrap and didn’t have two brain cells to rub together. No doubt he was off his head but NZ have probably had a fair few similarly mad Maori cunts over the years. If Duffy had’ve been from a bigger city in the UK we’d probably not have heard that much about him.
Exactly. If you don't read a page and a pub is mentioned and you don't think "hey, I used to drive past that pub on my way to work around the corner!" - if you don't do that, then what is interesting about Lee Duffy's criminal career?

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Exactly. If you don't read a page and a pub is mentioned and you don't think "hey, I used to drive past that pub on my way to work around the corner!" - if you don't do that, then what is interesting about Lee Duffy's criminal career?

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His ability to survive multiple attempts on his life, ridiculous fight stories, his role in the underworld, the fear and intimidation he spread that was unique in the area - all add up to make an interesting life story. The scale of these acts are far beyond what is considered normal.

The same things that are interesting about plenty of similar characters across the country, that's why there's hundreds of books published specifically about these people, as well as films and tv shows.
 
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Duffy was a two bit nothing. What the hell is glamourous going around getting the shite beaten outof you? all the the so called "Hard" villains like the Krays and Richardsons had an army of "nutters" doing their dirty work. People like "mad" Frankie Fraser. Ronnie murdered Cornell in the " Blind Beggar " because Cornell called him a "Poof" Reg murdered Jac'The Hat" Mcvitie for stealing money from the Krays. When these murders took place the Krays made sure there were plenty of the"team" around. If you had a business inthe "EastEnd" of London in the early sixties you paid"Rent" to the Krays or get your pub/or other business wrecked. Best thing that ever happened was the Krays getting their Thirty years. Regards Mervyn the Gee
 

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His ability to survive multiple attempts on his life, ridiculous fight stories, his role in the underworld, the fear and intimidation he spread that was unique in the area - all add up to make an interesting life story. The scale of these acts are far beyond what is considered normal.

The same things that are interesting about plenty of similar characters across the country, that's why there's hundreds of books published specifically about these people, as well as films and tv shows.
I completely get it if you're reading about Curtis Warren, who was an incredibly intelligent, organised criminal who was organising multimillion-pound drug deals spanning multiple continents and involving dozens of people.

Or Whitey Bulger, a ruthless sociopathic killer who ran a legendary gang, went on the run for years despite being on the Most Wanted list, and was secretly a police informant for virtually his entire career.

Or Lee Murray, a street fighting legend with boatloads of charisma who was a legitimate world-level prospect in MMA and then masterminded and successfully carried out Britain's biggest ever bank robbery.

Guys like that, sure, that's an interesting criminal life.

Lee Duffy? A moron who spent his life kicking off in shithole local pubs and nightclubs, until someone finally killed him. Who gives a shit?

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I completely get it if you're reading about Curtis Warren, who was an incredibly intelligent, organised criminal who was organising multimillion-pound drug deals spanning multiple continents and involving dozens of people.

Or Whitey Bulger, a ruthless sociopathic killer who ran a legendary gang, went on the run for years despite being on the Most Wanted list, and was secretly a police informant for virtually his entire career.

Or Lee Murray, a street fighting legend with boatloads of charisma who was a legitimate world-level prospect in MMA and then masterminded and successfully carried out Britain's biggest ever bank robbery.

Guys like that, sure, that's an interesting criminal life.

Lee Duffy? A moron who spent his life kicking off in shithole local pubs and nightclubs, until someone finally killed him. Who gives a shit?

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Your autism is overwhelming.

The pure psycho is what's appealing, not intelligence or charisma. He had accepted that he was going to do die before 30 and lead his life by that, which lead to ridiculous fights and altercations. I don't really give a shift about multi million pound drug deals, half the lads on my estate can lay claims to shit like that, none of them could instill fear in an entire town to the point that an entire pub would empty at the sight of him, or get down and do press ups for your amusement. Shit like that is more rare than a smart drug dealer, it's psychopathic intangibles. It's interesting to the newer generation like me because it's almost unimaginable now, there's no chance it would happen. There's no one who even comes close.

You've asked over and over again 'who gives a shit' and ignored the answer over and over again, if no one found people like him interesting, there wouldn't be books, films and tv shows dedicated to that exact market.

Accept it's simply not for you and move on.
 
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Debating whether or not something should be considered interesting... fucking wow.
Unreal.

I find all these things interesting.probably because ive never heard of half of them.

Think the majority are all scum but still like to read about what the fuckers got up to.

Most interest goes on anything regarding the Rettendon murders.Even though they sounded like jumped up bullies and nothing more any info about them is gleaned although its all taken with a huge pinch of salt.

Folk actually debating whether others should be reading their books is outfuckingstanding.