Let's be reality, Mayweather was a better fighter p4p than Pernell Whitaker

Greater fighter P4P


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To argue Floyd was better offensive than Sweet Pea your basically have to admit you haven't seen a Pea fight. Be has a significant edge on offense at basically every level from combination punching, infighting, jab (Floyd doesn't have any performance sniffing the Nelson jab clinic or the pick apart of Chavez) etc.

Floyd had a better pull counter and arguably check hook. Besides that what does be do better on offense?

Defensively you can make a case either way. Both relied on natural reflexes a good deal but I'd say Floyd was bit more fundamentally sound. Obviously much more conservative which made defense easier compared to line of fire Pernell put himself in comparison while scoring more effectively

Overall Pea is a better, southpaw Floyd with far greater offensive ability on the outside from jab to combination punching and specially inside. Floyd is great but Pea was a couple tiers greater
Floyds jab to the body was arguably a top 3 most devastating weapon in boxing of the last 20 years.

Floyd's offensive drastically decreased as he moved up in weight, however his defence and accuracy remained the same to the point were there was still a significant discrepancy in +_ between him and his opponents.
 
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Floyds jab to the body was arguably a top 3 most devastating weapon in boxing of the last 20 years.

Floyd's offensive drastically decreased as he moved up in weight, however his defence and accuracy remained the same to the point were there was still a significant discrepancy in +_ between him and his opponents.
Devastating? You know what that means lol?

Kovalev had a much more "devastating" body jab. Floyds jab to the body was prolly his best punch but its not close to a top 3 "weapon"
 

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To argue Floyd was better offensive than Sweet Pea your basically have to admit you haven't seen a Pea fight. Be has a significant edge on offense at basically every level from combination punching, infighting, jab (Floyd doesn't have any performance sniffing the Nelson jab clinic or the pick apart of Chavez) etc.

Floyd had a better pull counter and arguably check hook. Besides that what does be do better on offense?

Defensively you can make a case either way. Both relied on natural reflexes a good deal but I'd say Floyd was bit more fundamentally sound. Obviously much more conservative which made defense easier compared to line of fire Pernell put himself in comparison while scoring more effectively

Overall Pea is a better, southpaw Floyd with far greater offensive ability on the outside from jab to combination punching and specially inside. Floyd is great but Pea was a couple tiers greater
"Couple tiers" greater is complete hyperbole.

Floyd's defense was about catching his opponents punches with his arms as a sort of timer and firing back. Peas defense was about making making his opponents miss following up with combinations and then circling again.

Of course given their stylistic approach Pea is going to be more offensive than Mayweather. Floyd's approach was obviously superior since he was still dominating fighters nearly half his age as he approached his forties precisely because his style didn't rely on punching volume and reflexes

It would be like saying Kobe Bryant is couple tiers above Tim Duncan because Tim Duncan was not flashy and was still winning championships at an advanced age.


Yeah Floyd made the sport "easier" as to why he's greater.
 
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The win gets slept on because Alvarez was supposedly green, but what is often forgotten is that Mayweather was heavily undersized and not in the prime of his career either. That being said, better than Whitaker's dominance of Chavez? Better than his draw against a young Oscar De La Hoya? I don't think so, Bach.
Kind of agree, no way a victory over a young Canelo can be dismissed. I do however think it should have happened at 154lbs, Mayweather would have been given more respect for that. He would have beaten Canelo anyway at that stage.
 

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My vote goes to Sweet Pea. Had he hand picked his fights throughout his entire career, he could have been guided to 50-0 too. He fought his best opponents in their prime, even after he was out of his own prime. Judging them prime for prime... I look at how well Sweat Pea did against Chavez, vs how Mayweather did vs Chavez' sparing partner, Castillo. Pea clearly beat Chavez, and Mayweather should've lost to Castillo in the first fight. It's kind of crazy to think about how differently Mayweather would be looked at if he simply had that loss put on his record. His career probably would've been more exciting though, because he wouldn't have spent so many years protecting that "0". Mayweather still had a great career, but we can't look at this fairly without recognizing that by the time he hit 147, he always made sure each fight was angled in his favor. That's great for business... not so great for legacy.

Mayweather did age better as a boxer tbough. Pea faded much quicker than Mayweather. Partly due to their lifestyles, but also due to the fact that Pea relied on reflexes and head movement for his great defense, while Mayweather relied on footwork and guard position. Both obviously have a very high ring IQ.

Head to head in their Prime, Pea outpoints Mayweather. Especially considering Floyd's known difficulties with much lesser left handed boxers. If they fought in their late 30s, Mayweather would win by a wide margin.
 
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My vote goes to Sweet Pea. Had he hand picked his fights throughout his entire career, he could have been guided to 50-0 too. He fought his best opponents in their prime, even after he was out of his own prime. Judging them prime for prime... I look at how well Sweat Pea did against Chavez, vs how Mayweather did vs Chavez' sparing partner, Castillo. Pea clearly beat Chavez, and Mayweather should've lost to Castillo in the first fight. It's kind of crazy to think about how differently Mayweather would be looked at if he simply had that loss put on his record. His career probably would've been more exciting though, because he wouldn't have spent so many years protecting that "0". Mayweather still had a great career, but we can't look at this fairly without recognizing that by the time he hit 147, he always made sure each fight was angled in his favor. That's great for business... not so great for legacy.

Mayweather did age better as a boxer tbough. Pea faded much quicker than Mayweather. Partly due to their lifestyles, but also due to the fact that Pea relied on reflexes and head movement for his great defense, while Mayweather relied on footwork and guard position. Both obviously have a very high ring IQ.

Head to head in their Prime, Pea outpoints Mayweather. Especially considering Floyd's known difficulties with much lesser left handed boxers. If they fought in their late 30s, Mayweather would win by a wide margin.
You've taken arguably Pea's greatest performance and pitted it against arguably Floyd's worst to form the view that one is greater than the other.

Who did you want Floyd to fight?