Lomachenko p4p #1

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I think (I hope) Jones is saying that more in an skillwise sense, his resume is nowhere near the top
Jones was already talking about Loma being the pound for best before the Martinez fight. He said after the Walters fight he can't separate Ward, Loma and Kovalev for the number one spot.
 
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Fucking Estrada. Can't stop laughing at that. YDKSAB
Got a better resune than Loma. His only loss came to the best fighter in the world, Lomas came to a guy who has never cracked the top 20. Viloria is a better win than anything on Lomas record, Estrada has been a legit champ of a division and has a deeper resume.

Simply put he has done more than Loma has in his career this far.
 
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Got a better resune than Loma. His only loss came to the best fighter in the world, Lomas came to a guy who has never cracked the top 20. Viloria is a better win than anything on Lomas record, Estrada has been a legit champ of a division and has a deeper resume.

Simply put he has done more than Loma has in his career this far.
Lol a split decision over Viloria is better than dominating GRJ and Walters, winning a world title in your third fight and winning a second world title in a second weight division in your seventh fight. You're a legit spastic, world level.
 
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Lol a split decision over Viloria is better than dominating GRJ and Walters, winning a world title in your third fight and winning a second world title in a second weight division in your seventh fight. You're a legit spastic, world level.
Loma is a belt holder, hes never been the out and out champ.

Walters struggled with Jason Sosa in his fight before, Jason Sosa lol, yeah truly great win.

Russel Jnr has one decent win.

Estrada clearly beat Viloria, the SD was mainly boxings usual bullshit judging. Viloria was on the best run of his career and had done way more than Walters/Russel. Russel hadnt fought shit when Loma fought him.

The belts mean fuck all but your an outright retard with a Lomachenko fetish so its obvious youd add more credit to them than they deserved. Martinez only held a belt because he was gifted it, his first belt win came via Salido dropping it and the sanctioning body giving it to Loma on a platter.

In fact both belts he won should have been the round the waist of the one guy he lost against.
 
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Gonzalez, Ward, Kovalev, Pacquaio, Estrada, Crawford, Canelo, Golovkin, Rigondeux, Thurman.

Could argue him above some, its fairly tight currently but you also have Inoue, Yamanka, Wlad and Fury (if you count either), Stevenson and Garcia.

I dont thibk hes nailed on in there. His talent is obvious but his reaume is still pretty light. Walters is a good win but he was coning off a shit performance against Sosa (even if he should have won), Martinez is nowt great and Russell is looking a better win but still nothing amazing as yet.

A couple more will cement him mind.
Estrada needs some big wins soon to get him back in the P4P picture, sure it's not his fault, but he's not done an awful lot of late. That's the case for a lot of them tbf, not having done much of late.
In any case, that Sosa 'win' looks better now that Sosa has hit a bit of form. It's still a good win, especially in this era of the best not fighting the best, it's not as if there are hordes of people with better wins than those three at all
 
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its hard to score a pro bout based solely on an amateur match, taking in count amateurs are just like sparring matches,,, plus just the 3 round rule, plus the gear,talking about that time of course 2009 etc, i do think it would be an interesting match, Valdez percentage of KOs its an interesting factor, nevertheless his foot work isn't as great as Loma being the supreme advantage of him, well, definitely a close fight and definitely not a fiasco ala Loma Walters
Amateur fights are nothing like sparring matches mate. That's a fucking uneducated call right there.
 
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Loma is a belt holder, hes never been the out and out champ.

Walters struggled with Jason Sosa in his fight before, Jason Sosa lol, yeah truly great win.

Russel Jnr has one decent win.

Estrada clearly beat Viloria, the SD was mainly boxings usual bullshit judging. Viloria was on the best run of his career and had done way more than Walters/Russel. Russel hadnt fought shit when Loma fought him.

The belts mean fuck all but your an outright retard with a Lomachenko fetish so its obvious youd add more credit to them than they deserved. Martinez only held a belt because he was gifted it, his first belt win came via Salido dropping it and the sanctioning body giving it to Loma on a platter.

In fact both belts he won should have been the round the waist of the one guy he lost against.
You have Estrada as top 5 pound for pound. You dumb brah. Not even talking about Loma.. you have Estrada as top 5 pound for pound. You a retarda for that.
 
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You have Estrada as top 5 pound for pound. You dumb brah. Not even talking about Loma.. you have Estrada as top 5 pound for pound. You a retarda for that.
I dont actually i just plucked names of guys with more proven track records in the pros than Lomachenko. You have Loma beating mayweather on his debut then he lost to Salido a fight later. That son is how you define retarded.
 
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It depends what each person's criteria is and what value they place on each criteria I suppose. A lot of people use the 'eye-test' and that's fine but you have to factor in resume too. But then how far back do you allow someone's resume to qualify them for a current P4P ranking? P4P rankings are wide open at the moment and any given person's list is a mix of eye test vs recent resume vs the dominance they've shown.

Ward, for example, has the super 6 on his resume and looked fantastic winning it. But that was a few years ago and people kept him at the top of their lists throughout an incredibly long spell of sparse activity. Why? Because the question was still "who can beat him?" and the answer was "probably nobody". Even though he got the decision against Kovalev it was wildly debated. Still though, it was a win against a highly ranked, generally accepted P4P fighter, so it should count for a lot. On the other end of the scale you've got Golovkin looking very dominant against competition that is generally seen as unchallenging. But he's remarkably active and has several top ten guys. And the same question should still apply; "who can beat him?" Probably nobody. In the middle of the scale you've got guys like Crawford and Lomachenko who look unbeatable but who also have good wins. Not great wins but wins against opposition that was seen as challenging.

Gonzalez should still remain number 1 for me. He's looked dominant enough and has a good enough recent resume for me to give him that spot. That's really the only safe spot as far as I'm concerned.

I think I'd have to put Ward at 2 because even though I scored the fight for Kovalev I generally respect the official decisions (people might see that as a contradiction but idgaf). Obviously that makes Kova 3. Then I'd probably have Lomachenko (4). Then maybe Pacquiao (5), followed by Crawford (6), followed by Golovkin (7). 8-10 is anyone's game at this point. Rigo, Estrada and Canelo all have a case but they need something meaningful as soon as possible. If Lebedev wins in December then I think he's probably number 8. Frampton is closing in.

TL;DR

1. Gonzalez
2. Ward
3. Kovalev
4. Lomachenko
5. Pacquiao
6. Crawford
7. Golovkin
8. Rigo (Lebedev if he wins in December)
9. Canelo
10. Estrada

11. Frampton
 
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And as oer Pacquaio. Say what you will about him being past prime but Bradley is still a better win than Walters and Vargas is better than Martinez, add in the rest of his resume and he is clearly above Lomachenko.
 

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Lol a split decision over Viloria is better than dominating GRJ and Walters, winning a world title in your third fight and winning a second world title in a second weight division in your seventh fight. You're a legit spastic, world level.
That SD is bullshit for anyone who has actually seen the fight. Estrada beat the shit out of Viloria and looked damn good doing it. Viloria who was in the best run of his career, the man at the weight, and was in many respectable peoples top 10 p4p list at the time. Personally, i dont have Estrada in the top 5 currently due to his inactivity. Still in the top 10 though.
 
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Looking at a lot of post fight interviews with the media, boxing trainers etc. there now seems to be a consensus that Lomachenko is the best fighter in boxing. Some are saying he is pound for pound number one, and the others seem to be saying "He is the best, but he hasn't fought enough big opponents yet" (essentially that he is the p4p #1 in waiting).
Where is he on your pound for pound list?

@Pedderrs he has only had 8 fights? Remember I said pound for pound within 10 fights? He might not quite get there by that time for everyone, but he couldn't help that Rigo ducked him and that he had to chase Walters up a weight division and into a corner to get that fight. Get Salido out of the way then dominate Pacman in his next two fights, it will be hard not to call him p4p after 10 fights.
He isn't even no.1 at super featherweight.

Beat Salido and then Corrales-Uchiyama II winner and he's top 5 P4P (leap frogs Rigo undoubtedly) and one of the top 5 greatest super featherweights of all time (arguably)

Moves up and beats Linares, Flanagan and Garcia and yes, he is in with a great shout of being P4P no.1.

Beats Crawford-Pacquiao winner and retires? Arguably a top 30 ATG.

Seeing as he could feasibly do all this within 20 fights that is absolutely insane. He is that skilled though.
 
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Lol at people acting like there's a quantifiable criteria and a list of certain opponents you have to beat to earn an imaginary title. Loma is the best boxer in the sport, period. You take away weight classes and who do we pick to beat everyone else? It's obviously Lomachenko if you have half a brain. That is what pound for pound is. Many have Lomachenko as pound for pound number one now, so do I. If you don't have him top 5... YDKSAB or you're being disingenuous due to emotional biases. That's all that really needs to be said here.
 

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Dealt With is like that poster Pacdebest from East side except Manny actually fought the greats to become P4P#1.
 
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Dealt With is like that poster Pacdebest from East side except Manny actually fought the greats to become P4P#1.
Dealt with is a guy who watched one of the best amateurs of all time and saw as any amateur fan did that he would become a great fighter but in a vein atempt to make himself seem like some sort of oracle he overcompensates so in years to come he can say he said Loma was a great fighter before anyone else did.

Fact is since 2008 most people have pegged him to be a great but most people dont make outrageous claims like he would beat a bona fide ATG like Floyd on his debut just because he wants attention.
 
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