Lomachenko the ATG

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Yeah you're right, Ottke is undoubtedly going to go down in history as a far greater fighter than Lomachenko :rolleyes
That 0 is pretty important to you isn't it? I care about opponents. I don't give a shit about that 0 and obviously neither does Lomachenko, he fights for history, not for the money and dick holding you're so interested in.
ottke beat better fighters then salido and he won world titles so yeah he is going to go down in history as a far greater fighter than Lomachenko.Loma took he loss so easy i except him to do it again, he seemed ok with losing
 
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Did you see the bullshit this asshole Dealt_With said for the past year? I'm going to talk all the shit I want
Say what you want, I always thought you were slightly reasonable/objective but you've shown that you're just an emotional, racist retard. I can't respect anything you say from here on tbh.
 
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Did you see the bullshit this asshole Dealt_With said for the past year? I'm going to talk all the shit I want
You can be as mad as you want at Dealt_With, but give the fighter props. I can't remember a fighter entering the ring in only his second fight taking on a fighter of Salido's experience and showing as well as he did. This young man is a special talent and one to watch. There's no doubt in my mind he will be a world champion, and likely do so in record pace.
 
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Lomachenko didn't throw enough punches to catch the judges eyes, he didn't go the body enough. Garcia timed his punches on Salido coming in and caught him off balance early in the fight. Garcia never really hurt him though, not like Haya did. Salido was coming on strong against Garcia in the end, Salido against Lomachenko was ready to go out at the end.
Lomachenko has been competing in sprints, he prepared for a marathon and he fought like that. Next time he needs to prepare for a middle distance race and get busier sooner. That's that pacing issue and now that he has that under his belt his fights aren't going to be close/debatable from now on.
But I would expect a world-historical once-in-a-lifetime talent to easily outperform ... Mikey Garcia.

There is a disconnect between the person you have been describing over these past months and the person I saw on TV.
I cannot reconcile these two things. They are at odds.
 

bballchump11

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Say what you want, I always thought you were slightly reasonable/objective but you've shown that you're just an emotional, racist retard. I can't respect anything you say from here on tbh.
:lol: yes I'm racist because I rooted so hard for my fellow Mexican. You know I love my latin fighters. Proof is my Danny Garcia avatar :rofl
 
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ottke beat better fighters then salido and he won world titles so yeah he is going to go down in history as a far greater fighter than Lomachenko.Loma took he loss so easy i except him to do it again, he seemed ok with losing
Is Lomachenko's career over? It's just starting and you'll see just how exceptional he is. Him being okay with the decision isn't indicative of a lack of motivation/competitive instinct, it's indicative of his supreme mental strength that drove him to challenge for the title in his second bout.
 

The Undefeated Gaul

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Dealt_with! Nice to have you back on here, even though it's for a short time or both of us.

Not forgetting the horrid number of low blows committed by Salido.

Guys, this is not 'nuthugging', actually read what Dealt wrote in that.

As a sidenote, ESPN, Lederman and another credible scorer had it 114-114. I feel Loma won by a bigger margin.
 

bballchump11

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You can be as mad as you want at Dealt_With, but give the fighter props. I can't remember a fighter entering the ring in only his second fight taking on a fighter of Salido's experience and showing as well as he did. This young man is a special talent and one to watch. There's no doubt in my mind he will be a world champion, and likely do so in record pace.
I'll do that once the 2 premature ejaculators are serving their ban bet :good
 
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:lol: yes I'm racist because I rooted so hard for my fellow Mexican. You know I love my latin fighters. Proof is my Danny Garcia avatar :rofl
You make an exception for him because he's from Philly. And he's part-what matters to you so much. Your "kiss my black ass" comment revealed everything we need to know about you. Classless and racist.
 
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Case in Point. I do not recognize the person described in the paragraph below. I cannot square this description with what I just witnessed. This cannot be a mere matter of "pacing". I am hard-pressed to believe that. Something else is afoot. My leading theory: the paragraph below is a pure fantasy, a figment of @Dealt_with's imagination.

"Because he literally has no weaknesses, he can combine and transition from offence to defence like no fighter I've ever seen before, I've seen him deal with every style there is, he can fight on the outside like Roy Jones and fight on the inside like Mike Tyson. He doesn't have a set style, he's highly adaptable. That combined with his technical and athletic brilliance, makes him the closest thing I've ever seen to an unbeatable fighter. There have been many dynamic, offensive combination boxers over the years (Leonard one of them) who are the equal of Lomachenko in that regard, but where Lomachenko is different is with his defence right in the middle of his combinations, no one can attack and defend at the same time like he can."
 

The Undefeated Gaul

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I said this in response to Hands of Iron who accurately analysed it.
Yeah that was the big problem that had me and dealt questioning from his pro fight - Lomachenko is pacing himself way too much Lomachenko didn't even move out of 1st gear it looked like, the gameplan was structured in such a way where he was trying to protect himself from actually fighting. They were too cautious to actually fight, not just from a pacing perspective - this is Lomachenko's camps fault.
Lomachenko had plenty in the gas tank because he barely used any energy at all in the first few rounds.

No doubt if this was a 15 round fight, Lomachenko would have stopped him - but we're talking about a pacing factor here.

Lomachenko will continue to not be the fighter that I KNOW he can be if he doesn't sort out the pacing. Without this understanding, there's no gameplan that can be effectively implemented, no higher 'gears'.

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Also, subtleties in Loma's defence will be easily missed and I guarentee that people gave Salido more credit than he deserved when it came to his body punches. Yet, ESPN, Lederman and more had it an even fight.

Anatoly should have let Loma be Loma, and actually fight. It would have been as we had expected rather than like this. But Lomachenko's upside is off the charts.
 
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You said he was the best or atleast equal to the best in every category which is why posters aren't impressed with this performance. Best defense, offense, counter punching, in/out boxing if he was as you described him tonight's fight would have looked completely different. He took a fair amount of body shots and resulted to clinching many times where other boxers wouldn't have needed to. Why did Gamboa, Marquez and Garcia perform so much better against a much closer to prime version of Salido when Loma is meant to be the best at every field in boxing.
 

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Because that 1-1 record is indicative of his quality as a fighter :verysad
I thought you might have gained some respect for Lomachenko for fighting 147 Salido, going 12 with ease and having him drowning in the 12th. But no, you're still the same emotional fucktard who isn't even a fan of the sport, you care about an argument on the internet more than anything else. Pathetic cunt.
Oh, now records don't mean shit? You went on and one about how Loma lost (controversially) only once in 67,000 amateur fights. You went on and on how he went 6-0 against top tier competition in his wsb fights, now you're brushing off the fact that he lost his second pro fight, giving him props for being so ambitious. No, he doesn't deserve props for being so ambitious. It's a stupid move, and that's why you fucking never see it in boxing! His exceptional talent was enough to allow him survive, keep it close, and even hurt a dirty, seasoned vet, but it WAS NOT enough to win him the fight. You were wrong. We were right. "Deal with" it.
 

The Undefeated Gaul

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The point is not that Lomachenko is a bum, the point is insisting Loma has the talent of an ATG post after post and making ludicrous claims was clearly bullshit and his failure to beat a very good but not great veteran on his way out is undeniable proof of that.
You're completely wrong here :patsch
 

The Undefeated Gaul

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Oh, now records don't mean shit? You went on and one about how Loma lost (controversially) only once in 67,000 amateur fights. You went on and on how he went 6-0 against top tier competition in his wsb fights, now you're brushing off the fact that he lost his second pro fight, giving him props for being so ambitious. No, he doesn't deserve props for being so ambitious. It's a stupid move, and that's why you fucking never see it in boxing! His exceptional talent was enough to allow him survive, keep it close, and even hurt a dirty, seasoned vet, but it WAS NOT enough to win him the fight. You were wrong. We were right. "Deal with" it.
Hardly a stupid move if there are some credible scorers (and probabyl more I'm not aware of right now) watching FIRST TIME ROUND didn't even have Salido winning.
 
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Dealt_with! Nice to have you back on here, even though it's for a short time or both of us.

Not forgetting the horrid number of low blows committed by Salido.

Guys, this is not 'nuthugging', actually read what Dealt wrote in that.

As a sidenote, ESPN, Lederman and another credible scorer had it 114-114. I feel Loma won by a bigger margin.
Lomachenko needs to learn to complain about and exaggerate lowblows as well, just another pro trick. He should talk to Bhop :yep
I can't complain about that too much though, Lomachenko held a bit too much for my liking so it evens out. I was screaming for Loma to throw to the body, I don't know what happened there. Great experience for Lomachenko, at least this loss gives the haters something to cling onto in the future, it was going to be too one-sided for us otherwise :yep
I hope the GRJ or Gradovich fight can still be made, that will be a fine showcase for Loma and winning a pro title in your third fight is still pretty impressive (even though I truly believe he should've won tonight, but like Loma we can't focus on the things we can't control).

I expected to be nervous before the fight but it wasn't actually that bad, and after the decision I was relaxed and smiling. Partly because of Lomachenko's class and seeing him go 12 rounds with Salido holding on for life and partly because I knew what was waiting here :lol:
These fools talking about suicide watch, these Lomahaters don't realise that Lomatards come equipped with Lomachenko level mental strength and resilience :cheers
I'm honestly more excited about Lomachenko's career than ever, and I can't wait to watch the fight again.
 

The Undefeated Gaul

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It's 5am, I'll wake up tomorrow and maybe give my analysis of things if I have the time, analysing the fight too as a result...properly.


People are imagining too many holes, but if you understand why Loma performed the way he did (less decisive than we thought), then its ok. It's just a post-fight panic by you guys.