Lomachenko the ATG

Bogotazo

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You're completely wrong here :patsch
No I'm not. You two made ludicrous claims about Loma's talent-level and vehemently guaranteed his greatness and assured an impressive win over Salido. He couldn't even beat a fighter ranked well outside of the top 30 P4P. Those are all facts.

It's 5am, I'll wake up tomorrow and maybe give my analysis of things if I have the time, analysing the fight too as a result...properly.


People are imagining too many holes, but if you understand why Loma performed the way he did (less decisive than we thought), then its ok. It's just a post-fight panic by you guys.
We're not panicking, we're celebrating. It's the Lomatards we have to hear backtrack and make excuses, before we don't have to hear them at all for months.
 

Tko6

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Please post a vid of all the good work Loma did over 12 rounds to take the title away from the champ. Maybe the vodka got to me but I can't remember him putting 2 meaningful punches together.
 

Abraham

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Hardly a stupid move if there are some credible scorers (and probabyl more I'm not aware of right now) watching FIRST TIME ROUND didn't even have Salido winning.
Credible scores? Are you serious? Salido won fair and square! And I said that even in a victory, Loma was bound to get some premature wear taking on such ambitious challenges so quickly, which would, in the long run, damage his chances to be a ATG. So, yes, stupid move. I never saw him on the level of a guy who could destroy a seasoned vet like Salido. I picked Salido to win, but knew that even if Loma did pull it off, it wouldn't be easy. I'll give you and dealt credit, you stick to your guns, regardless of how fucking delusional it makes you seem.
 
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Please post a vid of all the good work Loma did over 12 rounds to take the title away from the champ. Maybe the vodka got to me but I can't remember him putting 2 meaningful punches together.
it's too subtle for that. It's so incredibly subtle that it's for all practical purposes invisible. The human eye is simply ill-equipped for the task posed by Lomachenko's unobservable greatness.
 
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Oh, now records don't mean shit? You went on and one about how Loma lost (controversially) only once in 67,000 amateur fights. You went on and on how he went 6-0 against top tier competition in his wsb fights, now you're brushing off the fact that he lost his second pro fight, giving him props for being so ambitious. No, he doesn't deserve props for being so ambitious. It's a stupid move, and that's why you fucking never see it in boxing! His exceptional talent was enough to allow him survive, keep it close, and even hurt a dirty, seasoned vet, but it WAS NOT enough to win him the fight. You were wrong. We were right. "Deal with" it.
I would mention his amateur record to make the point he has fought all different style and dealt with all of them, consistently against the best.
Lomachenko didn't have any problems with the opponent Salido, he had problems with the pacing over 12 rounds. As soon as Loma turned it up later in the fight then it was clear how far above Salido he was. Lomachenko is unlucky that most can't see the nuances of boxing and that pro judging is far more subjective than the 'clean punches score points' amateur judging. That's what cost him those close rounds and that's the main reason he isn't a world champ after his second bout.
Lomachenko's performance wasn't flawless but his mistakes were about things he didn't do, rather than anything he lacks as a boxer. He is the most complete fighter I've ever seen, I still stand by that completely. Salido landed two clean punches to the head all fight, and a whole lot to the arms. He proved that his defence is better than Gamboa's and Garcia's, and I've never seen Salido backing up and wanting out of a fight like that. This was a 147lb version of Salido as well.
I'm honestly very impressed with Lomachenko's performance as a whole, and I had him comfortably winning.
 

MadcapMaxie

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Please post a vid of all the good work Loma did over 12 rounds to take the title away from the champ. Maybe the vodka got to me but I can't remember him putting 2 meaningful punches together.
Not even kidding when I say this but there are some rounds where I don't think Loma threw anything but a range finding jab.
 

The Undefeated Gaul

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Lomachenko needs to learn to complain about and exaggerate lowblows as well, just another pro trick. He should talk to Bhop :yep
I can't complain about that too much though, Lomachenko held a bit too much for my liking so it evens out. I was screaming for Loma to throw to the body, I don't know what happened there. Great experience for Lomachenko, at least this loss gives the haters something to cling onto in the future, it was going to be too one-sided for us otherwise :yep
I hope the GRJ or Gradovich fight can still be made, that will be a fine showcase for Loma and winning a pro title in your third fight is still pretty impressive (even though I truly believe he should've won tonight, but like Loma we can't focus on the things we can't control).

I expected to be nervous before the fight but it wasn't actually that bad, and after the decision I was relaxed and smiling. Partly because of Lomachenko's class and seeing him go 12 rounds with Salido holding on for life and partly because I knew what was waiting here :lol:
These fools talking about suicide watch, these Lomahaters don't realise that Lomatards come equipped with Lomachenko level mental strength and resilience :cheers
I'm honestly more excited about Lomachenko's career than ever, and I can't wait to watch the fight again.
:cheers

Loma is deffo being too nice, and I know he will get rough.
Lomachenko would no doubt have people talking again if he is in the ring with GRJ or Grado.

Lomachenko didn't throw to the body because Anatoly wanted him to just stay on the outside and box, and it was an energy conservation thing. Very frustrating because Lomachenko is a renown elite body puncher and could have and DID best Salido in that department when they both went for it later on in the fight.

I was nervous before the fight because there were uncertainties that we spoke of, but I'm deffo not feeling sad about it. 'it will be what it will be', and Loma HAS A FUCKING chin! LomaCHINko which is what mattered most to me.

There are many, many positives to take from this fight. I'm so happy he got a 12 round experience, in the long run I prefer that much more than him getting 4 round KO's against Salido's before fighting actual elites like Mikey and Gamboa.

A true test of his stamina now would to go 12 rounds as he would 5 rounds in WSB, and incorporate the points you mentioned in that post.
 
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I love Loma an he will come again but the amatur who everyone shoud be watching is from Cuba and his name is Ramirez. This kid will destroy the pros if he can turn over.
 
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I would mention his amateur record to make the point he has fought all different style and dealt with all of them, consistently against the best.
Lomachenko didn't have any problems with the opponent Salido, he had problems with the pacing over 12 rounds. As soon as Loma turned it up later in the fight then it was clear how far above Salido he was. Lomachenko is unlucky that most can't see the nuances of boxing and that pro judging is far more subjective than the 'clean punches score points' amateur judging. That's what cost him those close rounds and that's the main reason he isn't a world champ after his second bout.
Lomachenko's performance wasn't flawless but his mistakes were about things he didn't do, rather than anything he lacks as a boxer. He is the most complete fighter I've ever seen, I still stand by that completely. Salido landed two clean punches to the head all fight, and a whole lot to the arms. He proved that his defence is better than Gamboa's and Garcia's, and I've never seen Salido backing up and wanting out of a fight like that. This was a 147lb version of Salido as well.
I'm honestly very impressed with Lomachenko's performance as a whole, and I had him comfortably winning.
does that completeness extend to "pacing"?

He's the GOAT with one caveat: he's a terrible pacer. Can't pace if his life depended on it.
 

Tko6

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Not even kidding when I say this but there are some rounds where I don't think Loma threw anything but a range finding jab.
I don't think I give him a single round despite picking him to win from what I've seen in the amateurs and WSB. This wasn't a Calzaghe-Lacy type destruction, but Loma did absolutely nothing over 12 rounds, it was like man v boy in there.
 

The Undefeated Gaul

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No I'm not. You two made ludicrous claims about Loma's talent-level and vehemently guaranteed his greatness and assured an impressive win over Salido. He couldn't even beat a fighter ranked well outside of the top 30 P4P. Those are all facts.



We're not panicking, we're celebrating. It's the Lomatards we have to hear backtrack and make excuses, before we don't have to hear them at all for months.
We're not backtracking or making excuses. We've always said the exact reasons why the fight could be closer, and our reasons were correct.
I actually will be going even harder than I did before because I feel that from Loma's win against Salido, I have more reason to, given all of the circumstances that I occurred. You're just coming to premature conclusions and want to enjoy a 'victory', but I'm going to lift the lid on this attitude soon.
 

bballchump11

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You make an exception for him because he's from Philly. And he's part-what matters to you so much. Your "kiss my black ass" comment revealed everything we need to know about you. Classless and racist.
kiss my black ass isn't a racist :lol:
 

Abraham

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I would mention his amateur record to make the point he has fought all different style and dealt with all of them, consistently against the best.
Lomachenko didn't have any problems with the opponent Salido, he had problems with the pacing over 12 rounds. As soon as Loma turned it up later in the fight then it was clear how far above Salido he was. Lomachenko is unlucky that most can't see the nuances of boxing and that pro judging is far more subjective than the 'clean punches score points' amateur judging. That's what cost him those close rounds and that's the main reason he isn't a world champ after his second bout.
Lomachenko's performance wasn't flawless but his mistakes were about things he didn't do, rather than anything he lacks as a boxer. He is the most complete fighter I've ever seen, I still stand by that completely. Salido landed two clean punches to the head all fight, and a whole lot to the arms. He proved that his defence is better than Gamboa's and Garcia's, and I've never seen Salido backing up and wanting out of a fight like that. This was a 147lb version of Salido as well.
I'm honestly very impressed with Lomachenko's performance as a whole, and I had him comfortably winning.
Salido was backing up and wanting out of the fight? You're talking about in the 12th round, when he was hurt? :think

His mistakes were about what he couldn't do, not what he didn't do. You also went on and on about he fought in the AMs with a pro style, but now you cite his being unfamiliar with the pacing as his downfall. Come on, man.
 

The Undefeated Gaul

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does that completeness extend to "pacing"?

He's the GOAT with one caveat: he's a terrible pacer. Can't pace if his life depended on it.
Top pros who only do 12 rounders would have to adjust their pacing if the rule turned to 15 rounds again. With Loma's particular style and skill, pacing is an important factor.
 
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We're not backtracking or making excuses. We've always said the exact reasons why the fight could be closer, and our reasons were correct.
I actually will be going even harder than I did before because I feel that from Loma's win against Salido, I have more reason to, given all of the circumstances that I occurred. You're just coming to premature conclusions and want to enjoy a 'victory', but I'm going to lift the lid on this attitude soon.
Sugar Ray Robinson, look in your rearview mirror, because Lomachenko is here and he's 1-1 as a pro!
 

Bogotazo

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We're not backtracking or making excuses. We've always said the exact reasons why the fight could be closer, and our reasons were correct.
"Closer?" He lost. There is no way you can objectively justify 7 rounds for Lomachenko, at all. He lost, and you insisted he would win and shine and prove his ATG potential. To the point we were all sick of it. It didn't happen. Eat it.

I actually will be going even harder than I did before because I feel that from Loma's win against Salido,
I have more reason to, given all of the circumstances that I occurred. You're just coming to premature conclusions and want to enjoy a 'victory', but I'm going to lift the lid on this attitude soon.
He LOST. He did not win. To suggest he didn't is already borderline trolling, and to be even more insistent than you have in the past definitely would be. Word of advice, don't.

Enjoy your vacation.