Lomachenko the ATG

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Maybe.

Maybe we could make an argument for Manny in hand speed and power.

:shifty
How are we measuring? What punches and what distance covered? How do we define the initiation and conclusion of the punch? How do we measure power? Again what punches and how do we weigh up the relative resistance of the opponent in the right context?
The fact you think that it isn’t even a maybe, shows how clueless you are. I actually feel sorry for you.
 

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How are we measuring? What punches and what distance covered? How do we define the initiation and conclusion of the punch? How do we measure power? Again what punches and how do we weigh up the relative resistance of the opponent in the right context?
The fact you think that it isn’t even a maybe, shows how clueless you are. I actually feel sorry for you.
Start a poll and let’s get a consensus.

Does prime Pacquiao hit harder than Lomachenko? Yes, no or maybe.

Go.
 
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Start a poll and let’s get a consensus.

Does prime Pacquiao hit harder than Lomachenko? Yes, no or maybe.

Go.
Instead of appealing to authority or consensus, how about you finally put forward some ideas and thoughts of your own to explain your position? You know if you took the time to explain your point of view you wouldn’t have to waste all this time posting and saying nothing, we could agree/disagree and move on. Is there any thought or substance in that head of yours? Show some evidence.

If we took a poll on what Lomachenko was going to be after ten fights then I’d be the only one to say something different most likely, so don’t be that dumb. And we know we can’t measure power objectively, we have to estimate based on an almost infinite number of variables. So have a point/argument, and back up your claims you silly little boy.
 
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Lomachenko
-better footwork
-overall boxing skill
-ring iq
-better defence


Manny
-faster footwork
-faster hands
-more power
-better output
-more proven/better resume (obviously)
-the power is important as it helped him move up in weight, Loma won't be able to replicate to such an extent
-unorthodox, in a good way
-i'd say overall better offence

Tbh I only read the last 2 pages so we seem to by arguing who's better out of the two? In that case it's the Asian midget. And I fully expect the same result at the end of Loma's career, he just doesn't have the level of opposition on hand to prove his level of, quite extraordinary, skill. And he's not moving up to beat Spence and all.
 

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Lomachenko
-better footwork
-overall boxing skill
-ring iq
-better defence


Manny
-faster footwork
-faster hands
-more power
-better output
-more proven/better resume (obviously)
-the power is important as it helped him move up in weight, Loma won't be able to replicate to such an extent
-unorthodox, in a good way
-i'd say overall better offence

Tbh I only read the last 2 pages so we seem to by arguing who's better out of the two? In that case it's the Asian midget. And I fully expect the same result at the end of Loma's career, he just doesn't have the level of opposition on hand to prove his level of, quite extraordinary, skill. And he's not moving up to beat Spence and all.
I would add "chin\ability to take punishment" to that. Pac (especially pre Marquez KO) took a lot of flush shots from elite fighters and was rarely in real trouble. He was a little freak of nature.
 
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Whoa, I usually disagree with peds and Stevie on Lomachenko threads but you guys are outta control.

"GRJ win is better than Hamed win"
"MAB and Morales can't hurt Loma"
"Loma is a league above Pacquiao"

I expect and actually enjoy hearing retarded shit like this from @Dealt_with but most of you are sound posters.
I never said any of Loma's opponenets were better than MAB or Barrera, but at 135 I would say Loma is better than Pac. Pacquiao didn't start looking like a freak of nature until he moved up
 
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I never said any of Loma's opponenets were better than MAB or Barrera, but at 135 I would say Loma is better than Pac. Pacquiao didn't start looking like a freak of nature until he moved up
Till he moved up to which weight?
 
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Manny at 135


Loma at 135

Err.. exactly? I remember Pac looking better than that against Diaz, it seemed a lot more impressive at the time when I watched it live. Have a look at Pac’s plodding footwork, predictable punches, lack of right hand. Then compare it to the Lomachenko in that video. Not to mention Pedraza is better than Diaz, far more active and tricky than basic Diaz. You just don’t understand boxing, so maybe stop talking about it?
 
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Lomachenko
-better footwork
-overall boxing skill
-ring iq
-better defence


Manny
-faster footwork
-faster hands
-more power
-better output
-more proven/better resume (obviously)
-the power is important as it helped him move up in weight, Loma won't be able to replicate to such an extent
-unorthodox, in a good way
-i'd say overall better offence

Tbh I only read the last 2 pages so we seem to by arguing who's better out of the two? In that case it's the Asian midget. And I fully expect the same result at the end of Loma's career, he just doesn't have the level of opposition on hand to prove his level of, quite extraordinary, skill. And he's not moving up to beat Spence and all.
The things you’ve mentioned with Pac are all disputable other than resume. You’re putting unorthodox in a good way as criteria? You’re saying Pac has better punch selection? That’s something you simply can’t argue for a straight line simple fighter like Pac who never really developed his right hand.
It’s hard to respond to what you’ve written because it’s clearly biased and poorly thought out.
 
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I would add "chin\ability to take punishment" to that. Pac (especially pre Marquez KO) took a lot of flush shots from elite fighters and was rarely in real trouble. He was a little freak of nature.
The guy who has been stopped multiple times throughout his career has a better chin than a guy who has suffered a flash knockdown? I’m sure if Lomachenko blocked more punches with his face you’d see how good his chin is.
 
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Impossible to hit.
Pedders, never boxed or been around boxing. Some guys mark up when their own glove touches their face while blocking, especially Eastern Euros with certain bone structure around their eyes. When you’re a fighter who stays on the inside to block, parry and slip while being an offensive fighter you get damage without being hit cleanly. Again you’d know this if you understood anything about boxing.
 
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The revisionist history here is hilarious. Was anybody here watching boxing when Pac was coming up? He was always seen as a limited but exciting fighter, who likely had a short shelf life because of the way he fought. It wasn’t until the DLH, Hatton, Cotto fights that he was thought about as an all time great. And we’re going to sit here and pretend that Pac was a master boxer? He was always criticised for his straight line boxing, his limited arsenal of punches, his lack of a right hand, and how many punches he took. Even us who didn’t like Floyd knew he would always beat Pac due to his style, due to his counter punching.
Now we want to pretend that he is on Lomachenko’s level as a boxer? Hilarious, and dweeb Pedders agenda is clear as always. Suck off anybody from the past, idealise them as an untouchable religious figure, while downplaying clearly the most skilled boxer to ever have lived.