Lomachenko the ATG

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steviebruno

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He might have to. There is nobody else? And there is no probably about it. Crolla is a domestic level fighter. The most talented fighter in history is fighting Anthony Crolla when his second ever Pro fight was against Salido.
He's definitely in no man's land. Not fighting the best opposition, and also not popular enough to get big money fighting cupcakes.

This shyt is fizzling out just like I said it would. A 20 fight anomaly... a footnote. Even his record as the quickest to thw title will be held under a microscope, when you factor in that he was 25 and people like Wilfredo Benitez had world titles at 17.
 
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I agree, but who is he supposed to be fighting right now?
I don't know, but he could move down in weight and find a better opponent. They should have made the Tank fight, they could have got Berchelt...much better than Crolla. Shit, he would have been better moving down two divisions (he's not a natural lightweight anyway) and trying to get a fight with Santa Cruz or Valdez.
 
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I was being sarcastic. Some actually think he is...when his best win got smashed to pieces the other week.
This is when you expose your bias again. Never mind that he had a torn shoulder in round 2 eh? Never mind that he does not belong at lightweight...just pretend that his other wins were well below Linares level and Linares is not very good.
 

steviebruno

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I don't know, but he could move down in weight and find a better opponent. They should have made the Tank fight, they could have got Berchelt...much better than Crolla. Shit, he would have been better moving down two divisions (he's not a natural lightweight anyway) and trying to get a fight with Santa Cruz or Valdez.
I agree that he should move back down, absolutely. Still, even Berchelt isn't enough to place him into ATG status.
 
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This is when you expose your bias again. Never mind that he had a torn shoulder in round 2 eh? Never mind that he does not belong at lightweight...just pretend that his other wins were well below Linares level and Linares is not very good.
None of the above changes the complexion of my argument at all. Yes, it's likely that Lomachenko torn his shoulder in round 2 against Linares. Yes, I would agree that he is better suited to 130lbs than he is 135lbs. So what? A fighter should have a murderer's row of wins before we start crediting them as being an all time great or one of the most talented fighters of all time. The wins aren't there, Strike. It's brutally simple. Not that I expect to find common ground on this issue when you contend that beating Gary Russell Jr in 2014 is more impressive than beating Naseem Hamed in 2001.

People think I harbour resentment towards Lomachenko and to a certain extent I do, but if he was actually beat a top fighter. A fighter of Mikey Garcia's quality, then I would be the first to fall in line and say this guy has that kind of potential. He might just finish his career as an all time great. I'm not ignoring the evidence, it just isn't there.