Marilyn Monroe - Overrated, or Underrated?

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Ranked contender. I'm sitting beside two women right now who fucking smoke her in the looks department.

Now I've no hope in banging either ofthem but a man man can try and if not then me old mate sleeper will come in handy.

Anyway she's operated to fuck. I don't even find her all that appealing tbh. I like the dark skin meself.
But if you had to chance, would you smash?
 
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She's elite imo. I like blondes, she has a little bit of talent, good figure, slutty without being a total whore (on screen anyway), looks classier than the hoes we have these days.

Most of these bitches nowadays had to bang Harvey Weistein to make it; Marilyn banged a President.

Levels.
 
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She's elite. Makes some of the women of today with all of their filters and fillers look like dogs, so I can see why she was thought so highly of back then. Don't get me wrong not the best looking woman to have lived or anything but she stands the test of time.
 
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For whatever it"s worth, Marilyn herself said she was not a top shelf fuck like Louise Brooks, Mae West, close friend Shelley Winters (who Marilyn did not even attempt to compete for the same men against).

“I'm a failure as a woman. My men expect so much of me, because of the image they've made of me—and that I've made of myself—as a sex symbol. They expect bells to ring and whistles to whistle, but my anatomy is the same as any other woman's and I can't live up to it” - Marilyn Monroe

Paulette Goddard was allegedly a much better fuck. (Like Brooksie, she enjoyed getting banged by the well hung Charlie Chaplin.) Producer Harry Turgend allegedly was talking about Goddard to a wide eyed young screenwriter who asked him,

"You mean she's a nymphomaniac?:

"Well, she would be, if she calmed down."
 

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She had a chin implant(edit:apparently a nose job too). Her looks weren't natural(whatever that means),but more artifice : the calculated result of subtle surgery,make-up,styling and lighting

This might explain why she looked a bit different in her final films ,from early in her career.

"Gurdin's notes include references to a 1950 cartilage implant in Monroe's chin, which he observed to have slowly begun to dissolve."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...roe-had-plastic-surgery-on-chin-and-nose.html
Yeah a Dr's note and an Xray surfaced and was up in an auction some years ago that alluded to the chin implant. I don't think there's any documentation about the rhinoplasty, just something that is said although it's probably true. There's many shoots of her before any of these surgery took place and still beautiful.



Pleased that CHB is actually recognizing her as elite. I figured most people would be calling her a fat bitch, saying she had terrible skin, was not hot, etc. But since the start of the poll, over 50% have rated her as "Elite", which surprises me. Especially since almost none of us have seen one second of any of her films, and she was limited by social standards of the time in just how out-and-out sexual she could be on camera.

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lol i'm not sure where the idea of her being "fat" ever came from...you see/hear about that quite a bit now and it's a myth; In actuality she had like a perfect hour glass figure. She was 5 feet 5 inches tall and her weight fluctuated between 115-120 lbs so she was by no means ever a large woman. Once when I visited L.A. I went to this exhibit that had some of her personal belongings on display like dresses, makeup etc. I was most drawn to the designer dresses she previously owned and I was struck by how narrow her waist was.

You should watch some of her films like Some like it hot to understand what the "hype" is all about.
 
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For whatever it"s worth, Marilyn herself said she was not a top shelf fuck like Louise Brooks, Mae West, close friend Shelley Winters (who Marilyn did not even attempt to compete for the same men against).

“I'm a failure as a woman. My men expect so much of me, because of the image they've made of me—and that I've made of myself—as a sex symbol. They expect bells to ring and whistles to whistle, but my anatomy is the same as any other woman's and I can't live up to it” - Marilyn Monroe

Paulette Goddard was allegedly a much better fuck. (Like Brooksie, she enjoyed getting banged by the well hung Charlie Chaplin.) Producer Harry Turgend allegedly was talking about Goddard to a wide eyed young screenwriter who asked him,

"You mean she's a nymphomaniac?:

"Well, she would be, if she calmed down."

That being said, and regardless of her 'insecurities' she was leagues ahead of any of those mentioned and was the clear number 1 sex symbol of her day for the last four years of her life. There's no one today remotely close.

That is not to say she's better looking than today's crop, just that in her time, there weren't as many competitors in that pre-cyber media era.

I'm not overly blonde-crazy and preferred Sophie Loren, but among the general gentleman public circa 1960, Marilyn held a position that no one holds in 2019.

Nor comes close.
 
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Yeah a Dr's note and an Xray surfaced and was up in an auction some years ago that alluded to the chin implant. I don't think there's any documentation about the rhinoplasty, just something that is said although it's probably true. There's many shoots of her before any of these surgery took place and still beautiful.





lol i'm not sure where the idea of her being "fat" ever came from...you see/hear about that quite a bit now and it's a myth; In actuality she had like a perfect hour glass figure. She was 5 feet 5 inches tall and her weight fluctuated between 115-120 lbs so she was by no means ever a large woman. Once when I visited L.A. I went to this exhibit that had some of her personal belongings on display like dresses, makeup etc. I was most drawn to the designer dresses she previously owned and I was struck by how narrow her waist was.

You should watch some of her films like Some like it hot to understand what the "hype" is all about.
I detailed her long history of weight training and jogging on page five with posts #94 and #95. Her fitness activities could not offset her problems with sleep, waking up from all the barbiturates she needed to put her to sleep, or her inherited mental health issues, but like Stevie Nicks with her facial care and routine, Marilyn never let her body go, and always maintained first rate physical culture. She hadn't long to live when she went into the swimming pool naked for the abortive, "Something's Got to Give." She couldn't have done that if she wasn't in shape.

She may have topped out at 140 pounds for "Some Like It Hot." Even then, her waist was 28.5 over the clothes she was wearing at the time. Typically, she's supposed to have measured 36/35/33.5 (bust) - 24/24.5 (waist) - 34/34.5 (hip) at 5 feet 6 inches tall. The Blue Book Modeling Agency gave her weight as 120 pounds in 1945 as an 18 year old model, and the coroner recorded her weight as 117 pounds when she died at age 36. She maintained her body pretty consistently, and told Movieland Magazine in July 1952 that she didn't want to be "bone thin." Her recorded measurements are pretty consistent from the mid 1940's to the early 1960's.

Had she been alive ten years later to take her friend Shelley Winters' role in 1972's "The Poseidon Adventure," she could have exercised off the 40 pounds of weight Winters gained for the role and could never shed afterwards. Her fitness habits were disciplined, but not fanatical enough to break her body down. There are plenty of nudes of her about, from in front, in profile, and from behind.

For this shot from The Misfits with Clark Gable, you can see her back doesn't have loose flesh, you can't see her ribs or back vertebra. (I hate it when bony vertebra and ribs stick out in back from a physical culture standpoint, but she looks like prime back rub material here.) It's a strong and well toned back, reflecting around 18 years of weight training by this point. (Not too many female actresses take pride in the physical appearance of the back of their upper bodies, but Victoria Principal notably expressed pride in her's at the peak of her celebrity.):






That being said, and regardless of her 'insecurities' she was leagues ahead of any of those mentioned and was the clear number 1 sex symbol of her day for the last four years of her life. There's no one today remotely close.

That is not to say she's better looking than today's crop, just that in her time, there weren't as many competitors in that pre-cyber media era.

I'm not overly blonde-crazy and preferred Sophie Loren, but among the general gentleman public circa 1960, Marilyn held a position that no one holds in 2019.

Nor comes close.
My father has never liked Sophia Loren, always deriding her as "greasy."

How do you like Marilyn when younger, with her natural hair color and fresh faced appearance? I see a pretty girl, but not iconic. She had to go blonde (while Lucille Ball had to go from a gorgeous long haired drop dead blonde to red head with henna, something she always discussed openly and freely):

 
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I detailed her long history of weight training and jogging on page five with posts #94 and #95. Her fitness activities could not offset her problems with sleep, waking up from all the barbiturates she needed to put her to sleep, or her inherited mental health issues, but like Stevie Nicks with her facial care and routine, Marilyn never let her body go, and always maintained first rate physical culture. She hadn't long to live when she went into the swimming pool naked for the abortive, "Something's Got to Give." She couldn't have done that if she wasn't in shape.

She may have topped out at 140 pounds for "Some Like It Hot." Even then, her waist was 28.5 over the clothes she was wearing at the time. Typically, she's supposed to have measured 36/35/33.5 (bust) - 24/24.5 (waist) - 34/34.5 (hip) at 5 feet 6 inches tall. The Blue Book Modeling Agency gave her weight as 120 pounds in 1945 as an 18 year old model, and the coroner recorded her weight as 117 pounds when she died at age 36. She maintained her body pretty consistently, and told Movieland Magazine in July 1952 that she didn't want to be "bone thin." Her recorded measurements are pretty consistent from the mid 1940's to the early 1960's.

Had she been alive ten years later to take her friend Shelley Winters' role in 1972's "The Poseidon Adventure," she could have exercised off the 40 pounds of weight Winters gained for the role and could never shed afterwards. Her fitness habits were disciplined, but not fanatical enough to break her body down. There are plenty of nudes of her about, from in front, in profile, and from behind.

For this shot from The Misfits with Clark Gable, you can see her back doesn't have loose flesh, you can't see her ribs or back vertebra. (I hate it when bony vertebra and ribs stick out in back from a physical culture standpoint, but she looks like prime back rub material here.) It's a strong and well toned back, reflecting around 18 years of weight training by this point. (Not too many female actresses take pride in the physical appearance of the back of their upper bodies, but Victoria Principal notably expressed pride in her's at the peak of her celebrity.):








My father has never liked Sophia Loren, always deriding her as "greasy."

How do you like Marilyn when younger, with her natural hair color and fresh faced appearance? I see a pretty girl, but not iconic. She had to go blonde (while Lucille Ball had to go from a gorgeous long haired drop dead blonde to red head with henna, something she always discussed openly and freely):

Great post my man. Never knew of her weight training, and you're right about her back, very nice. Never had cause to say I like a woman's back but goddamn.

Also before she went blonde she resembles quite strongly a semi-famous porn star, a Mistress T, or so I'm reliably informed.
 
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I detailed her long history of weight training and jogging on page five with posts #94 and #95. Her fitness activities could not offset her problems with sleep, waking up from all the barbiturates she needed to put her to sleep, or her inherited mental health issues, but like Stevie Nicks with her facial care and routine, Marilyn never let her body go, and always maintained first rate physical culture. She hadn't long to live when she went into the swimming pool naked for the abortive, "Something's Got to Give." She couldn't have done that if she wasn't in shape.

She may have topped out at 140 pounds for "Some Like It Hot." Even then, her waist was 28.5 over the clothes she was wearing at the time. Typically, she's supposed to have measured 36/35/33.5 (bust) - 24/24.5 (waist) - 34/34.5 (hip) at 5 feet 6 inches tall. The Blue Book Modeling Agency gave her weight as 120 pounds in 1945 as an 18 year old model, and the coroner recorded her weight as 117 pounds when she died at age 36. She maintained her body pretty consistently, and told Movieland Magazine in July 1952 that she didn't want to be "bone thin." Her recorded measurements are pretty consistent from the mid 1940's to the early 1960's.

Had she been alive ten years later to take her friend Shelley Winters' role in 1972's "The Poseidon Adventure," she could have exercised off the 40 pounds of weight Winters gained for the role and could never shed afterwards. Her fitness habits were disciplined, but not fanatical enough to break her body down. There are plenty of nudes of her about, from in front, in profile, and from behind.

For this shot from The Misfits with Clark Gable, you can see her back doesn't have loose flesh, you can't see her ribs or back vertebra. (I hate it when bony vertebra and ribs stick out in back from a physical culture standpoint, but she looks like prime back rub material here.) It's a strong and well toned back, reflecting around 18 years of weight training by this point. (Not too many female actresses take pride in the physical appearance of the back of their upper bodies, but Victoria Principal notably expressed pride in her's at the peak of her celebrity.):








My father has never liked Sophia Loren, always deriding her as "greasy."

How do you like Marilyn when younger, with her natural hair color and fresh faced appearance? I see a pretty girl, but not iconic. She had to go blonde (while Lucille Ball had to go from a gorgeous long haired drop dead blonde to red head with henna, something she always discussed openly and freely):

I like the background information you've provided on some of the posts. M.M. is my favorite star out of "old Hollywood" - not necessarily for her acting chops as she didn't really have that long of a career, nor a varied one when it came to different roles, more so for her impact. She was a pretty decent vocal talent and was a pretty good comedienne in the roles she played as the ditsy blonde bombshell. She was 36 when she died and had she lived i'm not really sure where there was for her to go. Her career was starting to go into a decline and she did not have the range of someone like Katharine Hepburn and the desire/willingness is questionable. Excessive tardiness/not showing up for work - her output had diminished greatly the last few years and her last picture went uncompleted...Her worsening mental health, unprofessionalism & vices aside, she was also a point when her age was going to start working against her which was revealed to have bothered her greatly and left her depressed. The blonde bombshell thing is hard to pull off once you become middle aged. Her early death was probably a blessing in disguise as it cemented her status as an icon and added to the mystique.

Some of those pictures above are great and i've never seen them before (it's always weird seeing her wearing jeans). She is young and hadn't come into her own yet, but does posses beauty. It's said by some of her critics that she is undeserving of her status because she was not as beautiful as some of her contemporaries - whether that is true or not, you can't say she was ugly- she is/was beautiful in her own right. Her appeal comes from her style and a certain charm/charisma she possessed that the other people did not have - it's hard to pin it down exactly but there was a great post earlier in the thread where someone had mentioned she is one of the best examples of having the mysterious "x factor".




Liz Hurley said she would kill herself is she was as fat as M.M. Liz has/had enviable good looks but haters gonna hate lol



 
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Great post my man. Never knew of her weight training, and you're right about her back, very nice. Never had cause to say I like a woman's back but goddamn.

Also before she went blonde she resembles quite strongly a semi-famous porn star, a Mistress T, or so I'm reliably informed.
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You know, I think the Mistress T reference does provide an apt analogy for a MILFy dominatrix version of the teenage Norma Jean.

Betty Page is probably the foremost female physical culture specimen to emerge as a pinup girl during the 1950's (and being a hell of a swimmer, her physique was actually a little too muscular by the mainsteam standards of her era, although her southern accent was the fatal killer to any Hollywood aspirations she had). I believe Marilyn and Jayne Mansfield (another weight trainer who fully restored her body after FIVE pregnancies and births from 1950 to 1965, all children still living) compare favorably to Betty Page from a physical culture perspective (but Jayne actually wins this one, looking nothing in a bikini in 1967 as if her body had been through five complete pregnancies).
 

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I like the background information you've provided on some of the posts. M.M. is my favorite star out of "old Hollywood" - not necessarily for her acting chops as she didn't really have that long of a career, nor a varied one when it came to different roles, more so for her impact. She was a pretty decent vocal talent and was a pretty good comedienne in the roles she played as the ditsy blonde bombshell. She was 36 when she died and had she lived i'm not really sure where there was for her to go. Her career was starting to go into a decline and she did not have the range of someone like Katharine Hepburn and the desire/willingness is questionable. Excessive tardiness/not showing up for work - her output had diminished greatly the last few years and her last picture went uncompleted...Her worsening mental health, unprofessionalism & vices aside, she was also a point when her age was going to start working against her which was revealed to have bothered her greatly and left her depressed. The blonde bombshell thing is hard to pull off once you become middle aged. Her early death was probably a blessing in disguise as it cemented her status as an icon and added to the mystique.

Some of those pictures above are great and i've never seen them before (it's always weird seeing her wearing jeans). She is young and hadn't come into her own yet, but does posses beauty. It's said by some of her critics that she is undeserving of her status because she was not as beautiful as some of her contemporaries - whether that is true or not, you can't say she was ugly- she is/was beautiful in her own right. Her appeal comes from her style and a certain charm/charisma she possessed that the other people did not have - it's hard to pin it down exactly but there was a great post earlier in the thread where someone had mentioned she is one of the best examples of having the mysterious "x factor".




Liz Hurley said she would kill herself is she was as fat as M.M. Liz has/had enviable good looks but haters gonna hate lol



If you consider it weird seeing Marilyn Monroe in jeans, then I can only assume you have not seen her in "River of No Return" with old buddy Robert Mitchum (who she'd made sandwiches for during WW II when he was partnered with her first husband Jim Dougherty as machine operators in LA. After viewing "River of No Return," seeing her wearing jeans shouldn't seem strange at all.

Since Mitchum and Monroe were such good friends going back to 1942 (so they'd already known each other for a dozen years by the time "River of No Return" was filmed) I wish they'd been paired together in more films afterward. He was happily married to Dorothy Spence from 1940 until his 1997 death, and respected Marilyn's long time gynecological sufferings and difficulties due to endometriosis. He'd known her since she was a 16 year old first time wife, and had patience and understanding of her no other male in their industry shared. They worked well together for director Otto Preminger, and should have been paired repeatedly after that, as it would have been beneficial for both her career and sanity to continue working with such a cool old friend so familiar as Bob Mitchum.
 

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She may have topped out at 140 pounds for "Some Like It Hot." Even then, her waist was 28.5 over the clothes she was wearing at the time.
Okay, researching from distant recall, I can clarify this particular weight and waistline spike. Going into "Some Like It Hot," she was pregnant by then husband Arthur Miller for the second time in 1958. Failed pregnancies had always been extremely hard on her body, and she desperately wanted to have a baby and establish a family.

After agreeing to the film, she tried to eat her way out of it in a deliberate bid to become so fat no one would want her to appear in it. She wanted to stay home and try to have her baby. She later told Clark Gable how she felt about her physical appearance in "Some Like IT Hot," saying to the actor she once fantasized about as being her father when she was young and fatherless, "I'm so embarrassed. That fat blonde thing up on the screen---that wasn't me."

She also allegedly hated the character of Sugar Kane more than any other movie role she ever played, although she likewise said that about the character of Amanda Deli in her next film, "Let's Make Love," another movie she didn't want to do. She also hated "The Misfits," and her performance in it, although she probably went through with it to work with childhood hero Gable (who thought it was his best career work when viewing the pre release rushes - the heart attack which killed him struck just two days after filming completed).

Marilyn had considerable difficulty performing in "Some Like It Hot," but managed to sustain her second pregnancy of 1958 through the film's completion before having yet another miscarriage on the day the movie premiered.

Not surprisingly, she preferred acting in film noir, so her role as Nell Forbes in 1952's "Don't Bother to Knock" was her favorite leading character. (She was also pleased with her film noir supporting role as Angela Phinlay in 1950's "The Asphalt Jungle," working for director John Huston as she later would in "The Misfits." Judging her as an actress requires seeing her as Nell Forbes and Angela Phinlay.) She definitely had some natural acting range and talent. (Having said that, I also concede it's open to question exactly how much acting she was actually doing in "Don't Bother to Knock.)

I'm not sure how much Lee Strasberg's Method Acting instruction helped her at the Actors Studio. Prime Marilyn at the box office ended with "Some Like It Hot." PEAK Marilyn ended with 1956's "Bus Stop," a film where she was actually in charge as head of MMP Productions, requiring director Joshua Logan to adapt to her chronic lateness and perfectionism. "Bus Stop" was a critical and box office success.

Obligatory SFW photographs showing some skin:



Posing like her idol Betty Grable as a teenager, 1945:



Nude photographs of her out of the swimming pool for "Something's Got To Give" in 1962 prove she maintained her body very well from 1945 to 1962.

Without makeup, she does not exactly look like a drag queen:

 

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If you consider it weird seeing Marilyn Monroe in jeans, then I can only assume you have not seen her in "River of No Return" with old buddy Robert Mitchum (who she'd made sandwiches for during WW II when he was partnered with her first husband Jim Dougherty as machine operators in LA. After viewing "River of No Return," seeing her wearing jeans shouldn't seem strange at all.

Since Mitchum and Monroe were such good friends going back to 1942 (so they'd already known each other for a dozen years by the time "River of No Return" was filmed) I wish they'd been paired together in more films afterward. He was happily married to Dorothy Spence from 1940 until his 1997 death, and respected Marilyn's long time gynecological sufferings and difficulties due to endometriosis. He'd known her since she was a 16 year old first time wife, and had patience and understanding of her no other male in their industry shared. They worked well together for director Otto Preminger, and should have been paired repeatedly after that, as it would have been beneficial for both her career and sanity to continue working with such a cool old friend so familiar as Bob Mitchum.
I actually haven't seen that one. Is it good? I have a boxset with her films and that's one of the one's I haven't gotten to yet. I normally just watch one I really like, like Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, over and over again.

Yes, I saw the interview with Robert Mitchum you posted earlier in the thread. He had as good of insight when it came to make her tick as anybody else; he also spoke well of his old friend. I always thought she definitely needed more of that in her life as it seemed like most people either used or took advantage of her.
There is a great interview with Robert Mitchum, Jane Russell and Jim Doughtery (Her first husband) on youtube - they apparently all knew each other from a very young age.



This is a pretty good interview with the Greene's after MM got away from the West Coast.


Okay, researching from distant recall, I can clarify this particular weight and waistline spike. Going into "Some Like It Hot," she was pregnant by then husband Arthur Miller for the second time in 1958. Failed pregnancies had always been extremely hard on her body, and she desperately wanted to have a baby and establish a family.

After agreeing to the film, she tried to eat her way out of it in a deliberate bid to become so fat no one would want her to appear in it. She wanted to stay home and try to have her baby. She later told Clark Gable how she felt about her physical appearance in "Some Like IT Hot," saying to the actor she once fantasized about as being her father when she was young and fatherless, "I'm so embarrassed. That fat blonde thing up on the screen---that wasn't me."

She also allegedly hated the character of Sugar Kane more than any other movie role she ever played, although she likewise said that about the character of Amanda Deli in her next film, "Let's Make Love," another movie she didn't want to do. She also hated "The Misfits," and her performance in it, although she probably went through with it to work with childhood hero Gable (who thought it was his best career work when viewing the pre release rushes - the heart attack which killed him struck just two days after filming completed).

Marilyn had considerable difficulty performing in "Some Like It Hot," but managed to sustain her second pregnancy of 1958 through the film's completion before having yet another miscarriage on the day the movie premiered.

Not surprisingly, she preferred acting in film noir, so her role as Nell Forbes in 1952's "Don't Bother to Knock" was her favorite leading character. (She was also pleased with her film noir supporting role as Angela Phinlay in 1950's "The Asphalt Jungle," working for director John Huston as she later would in "The Misfits." Judging her as an actress requires seeing her as Nell Forbes and Angela Phinlay.) She definitely had some natural acting range and talent. (Having said that, I also concede it's open to question exactly how much acting she was actually doing in "Don't Bother to Knock.)

I'm not sure how much Lee Strasberg's Method Acting instruction helped her at the Actors Studio. Prime Marilyn at the box office ended with "Some Like It Hot." PEAK Marilyn ended with 1956's "Bus Stop," a film where she was actually in charge as head of MMP Productions, requiring director Joshua Logan to adapt to her chronic lateness and perfectionism. "Bus Stop" was a critical and box office success.
The Strasberg's really weren't helpful imo. Going to the Actor's studio in NY to receive tutelage under Lee Strasberg was a move she felt necessary to be taken "seriously" but it really just caused her a lot of problems. She ended up losing her way a bit although while working with the Strasberg's she landed her best role as Sugar Kane Kowalcyzk - they sort of began to dictate what she should do on and even off the set. I hate to say it, but they knew they had a lost puppy in MM who was obedient and could easily be pulled in any direction. I think it's in The making of the Misfits documentary or Somethings got to give, but i've also seen it in other places, where people on the set spoke of how they HATED MM's acting coach Paula Strasberg. She would always dress in black and I believe people called her morticia or the black widow, some funny name like that I am going to have to back and check. Her presence caused havoc on the set; MM subordinated herself to her and would always look to her for direction and approval while performing a scene, much to dismay of her directors/producers who were supposed to be in "charge".

The Strasberg's also successfully pulled her away from the Greene's. I thought the Greene's were good people and really did have her best interest's in mind, much more than the Strasberg's. Funnily enough Lee Strasberg ended up being the main beneficiary in her will; he received the majority of her personal belongings(which didn't end up being a lot surprisingly) with instructions to distribute them among her closest friends. He disobeyed her wishes of course - her belongings didn't end up in the hands of her friends but ended up being auctioned off by one of his widows. If I recall the widow had never even met MM personally and in total scored over $13 million from the auction. Much more $ than MM ever had - despite her fame she never really made big bucks and died nearly broke.
 
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I actually haven't seen that one. Is it good? I have a boxset with her films and that's one of the one's I haven't gotten to yet. I normally just watch one I really like, like Gentleman Prefer Blondes, over and over again.

Yes, I saw the interview with Robert Mitchum you posted earlier in the thread. He had as good of insight when it came to make her tick as anybody else; he also spoke well of his old friend. I always thought she definitely needed more of that in her life as it seemed like most people either used or took advantage of her.
There is a great interview with Robert Mitchum, Jane Russell and Jim Dougherty (Her first husband) on youtube - they apparently all knew each other from a very young age.

This is a pretty good interview with the Greene's after MM got away from the West Coast.
I watched "River of No Return" multiple times on television, but not since the 1990's. By this millennium, I was familiar enough with her films and interviews not to bother anymore, so much of what I'm contributing here is actually from distant memory. I did enjoy her film noir work, since they supplied dramatic B&W characterizations completely different from what made her culturally iconic.

How to Marry a Millionaire was enjoyable for me because she got to work with Betty Grable, one of the friendliest and most easy going movie stars in Hollywood. Lauren Bacall described filming it as a pleasant production, so I liked knowing that they were enjoying what they were doing without drama, and that Grable became such good friends with Monroe, joking or painting each other's nails when Marilyn wasn't with her acting coach. During rough patches during Monroe's subsequent brief marriage to Joe DiMaggio, Grable was often one of the first friends Monroe would call for support.

Shelley Winters was probably her closest actress friend in the business, but Winters was a MUCH stronger and more willful personality who ditched her blonde bombshell image for 1951's "A Place in the Sun" for a Best Actress nomination, could do stage, radio and television as well as movies, and was known for not putting up with any shit.

This is only speculation, but I suspect it bothered Marilyn that her former roommate went career wise where Monroe herself might like to have gone during the 1950's, especially when Winters won Best Supporting Actress for 1959's "The Diary of Anne Frank." Think about this. The 37 year old Winters secured her acting future by portraying a character 20 years older than herself in real life, while for "Some Like It Hot" the year before, 32 year old Marilyn had to play 24 year old Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk, so one was casting aside her image of youth for a future playing older characters, while the other was trapped in the image of a youthful past while getting older. I do wonder if this might have worn on Monroe and soured her on movies as the 1950's were ending. Jayne Mansfield was seven years younger and lived five years longer. Looking at Jayne's career trajectory after the 1950's, not sure that Marilyn had much box office potential left.

BTW, speaking of Monroe and Mansfield, there are VERY few photographs of them together which are not PhotoShopped, but here are a couple at the peaks of their careers at the premiere of "The Rose Tattoo." (A few other pictures were taken at this time, but these appear to be the best of the two in the same shot. Unlike Sophia Loren, Marilyn doesn't seem particularly bothered by Jayne standing over her.):


 
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