RBR!!! Mariusz Wach vs. Martin Bakole Ilunga - April 6th 2019

Wach vs. Bakole Winner and How?

  • Mariusz Wach Stoppage

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Mariusz Wach Decision

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Martin Bakole Ilunga Decision

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • Martin Bakole Ilunga Stoppage

    Votes: 2 28.6%

  • Total voters
    7
  • Poll closed .
Jun 3, 2012
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Rather sad that this is the most notable fight of the weekend :sad5

Back to analysing the bout, Wach is crap. But he's big, strong and durable. Bakole also looked rather crap against Hunter, yet he's facing a completely different style with Wach -- one which should compliment his own boxing better. I'll go with Bakole by decision. Although it is in Poland...
 
Jun 6, 2013
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WOWZAH !

Bakole stepping up to the plate!

IMO he fought stupidly against Hunter, but that's what prospects often do. It's how you (hopefully) learn. Plus, of course, his shoulder went in the later rounds. The bigger problem is that he looked horribly out of shape for that fight. He wasn't as heavy as against Jones (that was ridiculous) but he looked soft. Who knows what he was going through? Hoping to see him fit & trim for the Wach fight. He should get back down to maybe 240 lbs maximum.

IMO, Bakole (non injured, and in good condition) is one of the top 2-3 prospects in the division right now. Huge power in both hands, and very deceptive defense. (lovely head slips.) Like dkos says, Wach isn't much of a boxer, but he's VERY tough, and he can certainly take a guy out if the opponent makes any stupid mistakes. This is a GREAT test for the great Bakole.

I expect a KO, but it's far from a lock. Also, if Bakole can't put Wach down, then it will be very interesting to see how he deals with a full ten round fight.
Does he have the temperment for the big time? We shall see.
 
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Jun 4, 2013
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It's a good fight. Would make Ilunga relevant again. I think Ilunga is arguably Hunter's best win. Dude was really touted prior to that defeat then he just went to irrelevant. I'm pretty sure they brought in Hunter to lose that fight.
 
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It's a good fight. Would make Ilunga relevant again. I think Ilunga is arguably Hunter's best win. Dude was really touted prior to that defeat then he just went to irrelevant. I'm pretty sure they brought in Hunter to lose that fight.
Yeah, Hunter was seen as something of a soft touch, a name who'd fought for a world title. As soon as Bakole lost, he was dumped by promoter Barry McGuigan even though he was described by McGuigan as the 'most naturally gifted heavyweight' fighting now...

Considering the circumstances, credit to Bakole's team for managing to secure him a fight of this size so soon. He could have quickly faded into obscurity without ever getting another chance.
 
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Did not know he was dropped by his promoter. That's fucking sad. It's not like Hunter is a fucking bum. Dude just whooped the fuck out of Ustinov.
 
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IMO, Bakole (non injured, and in good condition) is one of the top 2-3 prospects in the division right now.
He isn't. He has poor footwork, throws a lot of arm punches, is easy to hit, upright and has a decent jab and decent power. It's not special power, it's not Dubois level let alone Wilder, Tyson, Lewis sort of power.

He's had 12 bouts in 5 years and is almost certainly older than his billed age too.

He's solid and can hopefully make some decent money, as he seems like a nice guy, but he's going nowhere at the higher level.
 
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He isn't. He has poor footwork, throws a lot of arm punches, is easy to hit, upright and has a decent jab and decent power. It's not special power, it's not Dubois level let alone Wilder, Tyson, Lewis sort of power.
He's not so easy to hit. He uses upper body movement & head slips, instead of footwork.

And his power looks to be EXTREMELY good. Are we talking about the same guy?

I agree his footwork is nothing to get excited about, but his style doesn't really require that. He's more like a HW version of Golovkin.

But Bakole sometimes looks great, and sometimes looks iffy, so you need to watch a lot of his fights. I think maybe sometimes his head isn't in the game, hence his fluctuating weight.
 
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He's not so easy to hit. He uses upper body movement & head slips, instead of footwork.

And his power looks to be EXTREMELY good. Are we talking about the same guy?

I agree his footwork is nothing to get excited about, but his style doesn't really require that. He's more like a HW version of Golovkin.

But Bakole sometimes looks great, and sometimes looks iffy, so you need to watch a lot of his fights. I think maybe sometimes his head isn't in the game, hence his fluctuating weight.
His power has looked extremely good against guys who get KO'd for a living. There are only 2 KO wins on his record in which going into the fight you wouldn't expect there to be an easy KO win for a decent prospect. Those are Ali Bagouz who was unbeaten at the time (so therefore an unknown entity in terms of his chin) and Akinlade who was 8-2-1 but had gone the distance with Gorman and therefore suggested he was not going to collapse when hit.

As it turns out, Bagouz got done in 2 by Yoka in his next fight and hasn't fought since, so the KO means very little. He had an unbeaten record beating low level journeymen, got KO'd in 1 by Bakole, KO'd in 2 by Yoka and didn't fight again. That leaves Akinlade who he impressively stopped in 1, but who hasn't fought since either. It perhaps says more about Gorman's sloppy performances from time to time than it does about Bakole's power, as we don't really know much about Akinlade outside of those fights and the fact he beat Sokolowski and Little. He is clearly an okay heavy, but his punch resistance has only been tested by two guys with dig.

Who has Bakole stopped that doesn't get stopped often or who had shown good durability going into the fight? He stopped Mrazek in 3...who in his previous 5 bouts had been stopped in 4 of them, with Gorman, Webb, Kean and Lewison all stopping him in either 3 or less.

These are his other KO wins:

DL Jones - 8-2-1 (2 KO losses) - impressive only because Bakole did in 1 what Dubois took 3 to do. But this is not a display of high level power, Jones was also dropped by Dorian Darch who has 1 stoppage win in a 20 fight career of 12-8-1.

Patrick Madzinga - 8-18-2 (10 KO losses) who had been done inside 2 on 6 occasions before the Bakole fight, including 1st round KO losses to light heavyweights. His loss to Bakole was actually him slipping, hurting his ankle and having to retire.

Lukas Filka - 7-5 (2 KO losses)...a guy who has literally never beaten someone with a winning record, and had 4 fights in a row against debutants who never fought again. Filka then faced Tom Schwarz (who does not hit hard at all) and got done in 1 round. He then won a fight against a guy who retired 0-4 and then faced Bakole, got done in a round again and retired.

Chris Mbombo - 0-3-1 (2 KO losses)...lost in 2 to Bakole, also lost in 2 to Justice Siliga...and never fought again.

Cecil Smith - 0-1 (1 KO loss) - this might be a great display of power, as possibly Smith has a great chin. There's no way for us to know, because Bakole is the only fight he ever had.

That's it. That's the record of opponents on which many people (not just you) say Bakole has awesome power. He's stopping men who get stopped all the time, or who have tiny, shallow records to the extent that they barely qualify as pro boxers. You're left with Akinlade as the sole stoppage win that looks impressive.

What about the guys he didn't stop?

He won a majority decision over 4 rounds against Ferenc Zsalek (21-73-7). For comparison, British level heavies Adam Machaj and Nick Webb KO'd him in 1. British prospect Fabio Wardley (who has literally never had an amateur fight and is a totally raw, but exciting novice) did Zsalek in 1 round too. Remember that joke comeback fight that Tyson Fury had, against Sefer Seferi? Well, Seferi KO'd Zsalek in 1 round as well. Bakole won a majority decision...yes only 4 rounds, but still.

He went the 4 with Lukasz Rusiewicz...no shame in that, he doesn't get stopped often, then again he is a cruiserweight and he did get KO'd in 1 round by Dave Allen and in 1 round by British cruiserweight Lawrence Okolie. He was done in 3 by British level crusier Craig Kennedy too.

He's beaten one man who is clearly durable and that's Sokolowski. Gorman has gone 8 with him, but also stopped him in 5. Dillian Whyte KO'd him inside 3, but he's a tough guy who has only been stopped those two times. Bakole did what most do with him, but he didn't make a statement like Whyte did or Gorman in his first fight.

Bakole is evidently fairly heavy handed given the nature of his KO wins over Akinlade and Jones, and the fact he does at least get KO wins. But there's nothing that suggests he's a huge puncher at all. He's feasted off low level opposition, failed to stop the one very durable guy he's fought, failed to stop a couple of other guys who get stopped when they face other punching prospects and lost the first fight he had with a quality operator in Hunter.

Wach is made for him to look good, as he is glacial slow and has a colossal chin that is impossible to miss. He is also past it and should be there for Bakole to get some confidence back and finally get a KO over someone with punch resistance, but I'd not be surprised to see Bakole come undone even here.

He's not in the top 12 heavy prospects, let alone top 3. There's 4 just from England who are more likely to go far than Bakole, let alone the entire world.
 
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Ilunga was quite exciting for a while, but it was a bit worrying the way he unravelled aginst Hunter, who is a pretty small heavy, albeit a skillful one. I've taken the 5/4 for the fight not to go the distance in a double with 8/11 for Xavier Martinez by stoppage tonight against Moralde.
 
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Dad bods for both. These guys aren't in great shape. Ilunga's most important fight of his career. He should be asked to be in the best shape of his life.
 
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Dad bods for both. These guys aren't in great shape. Ilunga's most important fight of his career. He should be asked to be in the best shape of his life.
It's much harder as you hit your late 30's though, and then with the added pressure of having to pretend you're 26-27...
 
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Ilunga was quite exciting for a while, but it was a bit worrying the way he unravelled aginst Hunter, who is a pretty small heavy, albeit a skillful one. I've taken the 5/4 for the fight not to go the distance in a double with 8/11 for Xavier Martinez by stoppage tonight against Moralde.
Martinez won in 3, far too powerful for his Phillipino opponent. Just need one of these big lumps to gas, for a nice 3/1 double. :good
 
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