Matt Hamilton's mathematical top 100 boxers

Just a little background. Matt is a South African mathematician who know lives in london. He has drawn up his own mathematical formula and come up with the greatest 100 boxers on an order of merit basis. He ranks every fighter who has 'more than 10 'credible' wins' and drawn up a list. It has taken him 6 months, and here is the outcome.

Below follows a near-exhaustive* analysis of the greatest boxers who’ve ever lived by achievement. To qualify for consideration for inclusion each fighter needs to have a) won 10 fights against credible opposition; b) hold more credible wins than sub-elite level losses & c) no more than 17.5% of a fighter’s fights ended in a loss to a sub-elite level opponent at the time of the contest. Fighters in red have not met the criteria for inclusion in the Final Order of Merit.

Among several tens of thousands of bouts that were considered for this ranking analysis the only match up that was completely ignored was Azumah Nelson vs. Jeff Fenech 3 in 2008 as I chose to view that as ostensibly an exhibition match. It is not possible to comment on these rankings because the only people whose opinions on the matter I care to consider have already been consulted. This listing attempts to apply logic & to quantify that logic. I hope you will find food for thought in the examination that follows. I have sought to carve out a formula that is impervious to the whims; inadequacies & intermittent corruption of sanctioning bodies. Note all wins & losses taken into consideration are based on the standing of the opponent at the time he entered the ring.

Wins are divided into seven categories: 1) Not credible; 2) Credible – D Grade; 3) Credible – C Grade; 4) Credible – B Grade; 5) Credible – A Grade; 6) Credible – AA Grade & 7) Credible – AAA Grade.

Similarly defeats are partitioned into 6 categories: 1) AAA Grade; 2) AA Grade; 3) A Grade; 4) B Grade; 5) C Grade & 6) D Grade. The higher grade the loss – the higher calibre of the opponent the fighter under consideration lost to at the time of the bout under consideration & thus the less the Hamilton Ranking Co-Efficient penalizes the ranked boxer.

Underlying ethos of the Hamilton Ranking Algorithm:

Belts mean nothing. They have always been flawed but with increasing regularity in the post IBF world; then the post WBO world (which is now sufficiently lengthy) they have rendered comparison by defences utterly futile.
All that matters is: Who you beat. When you beat them. Who you lost to. When you lost to them. Independent of whether you were fighting for the ABC belt or not – the opponent’s deciphered quality at the time you beat him is the “championship” or credit for which you fight (& risk losing).
Nett merit is deemed the sum of your achievements (merits) less the sum of your weighted sub-elite level losses (demerits).


Hamilton’s Historical Order of Merit


1 Sugar Ray Robinson ƒ81.72
2 Archie Moore ƒ72.26
3 Joe Louis ƒ64.25
4 Henry Armstrong ƒ62.20
5 Emile Griffith ƒ61.66
6 Kid Gavilan ƒ61.34
7 Holman Williams ƒ60.36
8 Ezzard Charles ƒ57.94
9 Jimmy Bivins ƒ54.4
10 Ike Williams ƒ54.36
11 Muhammad Ali ƒ53.52
12 Tony Canzoneri ƒ53.22
13 Maxie Rosenbloom ƒ52.45
14 Gene Fullmer ƒ48.68
15 Jose Napoles ƒ48.35
16 Jake LaMotta ƒ48.27
17 Bob Montgomery ƒ47.91
18 Jimmy McLarnin ƒ47.19
19 Joey Giardello ƒ47.19
20 Bobo Olson ƒ46.52

21 John Henry Lewis ƒ46.10
22 Freddie Dawson ƒ45.41
23 Carlos Ortiz ƒ45.38
24 Sammy Angott ƒ45.00
25 Lou Ambers ƒ44.69
26 Fred Apostoli ƒ44.35
27 Floyd Patterson ƒ44.01
28 Dick Tiger ƒ43.93
29 Harry Greb ƒ43.29
30Charley Burley ƒ42.64

31Carlos Monzon ƒ42.60
32Barney Ross ƒ42.15
33 Rocky Marciano ƒ41.48
34 Nino Benvenuti ƒ41.47
35 Young Corbett III ƒ41.40
36 Duilio Loi ƒ40.85
37 Willie Pep ƒ40.42
38 Billy Conn ƒ39.27
39 Carmen Basilio ƒ35.85
40 Jersey Joe Walcott ƒ34.53

41Marvin Hagler ƒ34.18
42 Ismael Laguna ƒ34.03
43 Sonny Liston ƒ32.34
44 Lou Brouillard ƒ30.84
45 Joey Maxim ƒ30.76
46Gene Tunney ƒ30.46
47 Randy Turpin ƒ30.33
48 Sugar Ray Leonard ƒ30.20
49 Ceferino Garcia ƒ29.83
50 László Papp ƒ29.27

51 Ingemar Johansson ƒ28.98
52 Michael Spinks ƒ28.74
53 Larry Holmes ƒ28.64
54 Joe Frazier ƒ28.58
55 Thomas Hearns ƒ28.57
56 Bob Foster ƒ27.95
57 Sandy Saddler ƒ27.53
58 Floyd Mayweather Jr ƒ27.29
59 Lloyd Marshall ƒ27.28
60 Vicente Saldivar ƒ26.94

61 Willie Pastrano ƒ26.55
62 George Foreman ƒ25.77
63 Nicolino Locche ƒ25.71
64 Jose Torres ƒ25.51
65 Davey Moore ƒ25.12
66 Tommy Gibbons ƒ25.02
67 Fritzie Zivic ƒ24.68
68 Marcel Cerdan ƒ24.49
69 Zora Folley ƒ24.23
70 Mickey Walker ƒ23.96

71 Primo Carnera ƒ23.45
72 Roberto Duran ƒ23.28
73 Kid Chocolate ƒ23.26
74 Curtis Cokes ƒ22.83
75 Sugar Ramos ƒ22.76
76 Max Schmeling ƒ22.43
77 Max Baer ƒ22.36
78 Lou Nova ƒ21.95
79 Víctor Galíndez ƒ21.35
80 Felix Trinidad ƒ21.10

81 Michael Nunn ƒ20.88
82 Freddie Little ƒ20.27
83 Oscar De La Hoya ƒ20.15
84 Eder Jofre ƒ19.57
85 Lennox Lewis ƒ19.52
86 Ken Norton ƒ19.21
87 Pernell Whitaker ƒ18.81
88 Bernard Hopkins ƒ18.30
89 Donald Curry ƒ18.25
90 Julio Cesar Chavez ƒ18.14

91 Evander Holyfield ƒ17.38
92 Roy Jones Jr ƒ16.61
93 Lew Tendler ƒ16.43
94 Mike McCallum ƒ16.34
95 Ken Buchanan ƒ15.91
96 Shane Mosley ƒ15.78
97 Kostya Tszyu ƒ15.20
98 Young Stribling ƒ14.66
99 Wilfred Benitez ƒ14.42
100 Mike Gibbons ƒ14.21

Notable exclusions:

On the basis the fighter holds less than 10 credible wins

Aaron Pryor; Salvador Sanchez; Riddick Bowe; Jermain Taylor; Antonio Tarver; Sergio Martínez; Miguel Cotto; Fighting Harada; Lloyd Honeyghan; Gerry Cooney; Brian Mitchell; Carlos Zarate; Jack Dempsey; Ricardo Lopez; Diego Corrales; Fernando Vargas; Zab Judah; Ray Mancini; Julian Jackson; Michael Moorer; Michael Dokes; Edwin Rosario; Humberto González; Danny Lopez; Stanley Ketchel; Hector Camacho; Meldrick Taylor.

On the basis the fighter has as many or more sub-elite level losses as credible wins

George Chuvalo; Bobby Chacon; Erik Morales; Ivan Calderon; Adolfo Viruet; Rocky Lockridge; Cyclone Hart; John Mugabi; Michael Carbajal; Antonio Margarito; Dwight Muhammad Qawi; Pancho Villa; Kevin Kelly; Ricardo Mayorga; Tim Witherspoon; Johnny Kilbane; Terry McGovern; Earnie Shavers; Jack Johnson; Pipino Cuevas; Miguel Canto; Joe Gans; Mike Weaver; Abe Attell; Joe Jeanette; Philadelphia Jack O’Brien; Sam Langford; Battling Levinsky; Kid Williams; Joe Walcott; Daniel Zaragoza; Johnny Dundee.

On the basis the fighter lost 17.5% or more of their total fights to sub-elite level opponents

Henry Cooper; Tommy Loughran; Joe Brown; Matthew Saad Muhammad

Honourable mentions go to the following who met the criteria for inclusion but failed to accumulate sufficient points to make the cut for the Top 100

Mike Tyson
Tiger Flowers
Wilfredo Gomez
Oscar Bonavena
Vitali Klitschko
Azumah Nelson
Wladimir Klitschko
Naseem Hamed
Manny Pacquiao
Vito Antuofermo
Gerrie Coetzee
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
Ronald Wright
Tony Zale
Marco Antonio Barrera
Harry Wills
Jack Chase
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ron Lyle
Gregorio Peralta
Rocky Graziano
James Toney
Cleveland Williams
Khaosai Galaxy
Terry Norris
Eusebio Pedroza
Bruce Curry
Alexis Arguello
Aaron Wade
Ruben Olivares
Harry Harris
Antonio Cervantes
Benny Leonard
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Georges Carpentier
Jack Dillon
Jack Britton
Immediate thoughts on this?
 

scribbs

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This is a bit like the WAR rating for baseball players. Good on maths theory, little to do with the human element. Having Greb so low is ridiculous, that's why I refuse to do lists, just an opinion that can be counter-acted by a reasonable debate. I went through this with Klompton who was moaning about Mike Casey's list - it means nothing but to the person who makes the list.

I really wish people would stop using stats as the be all and end all - as they say, there's lies, damn lies and statistics or something like that. Rant over!
 
I don't understand how he says Robinson's win over Bobo in 55 is a grade AAA win, but Duran's over Leonard is only a grade AA

Sugar Ray Robinson

1951/09/12 Randy Turpin
1955/12/09 Bobo Olson
1958/03/25 Carmen Basilio
1943/02/26 Jake LaMotta
1957/05/01 Gene Fullmer
1943/08/27 Henry Armstrong
1949/07/11 Kid Gavilan
1951/02/14 Jake LaMotta
1942/07/31 Sammy Angott

AA Grade Wins

1955/07/22 Rocky Castellani
1945/09/26 Jake LaMotta
1956/05/18 Bobo Olson
1943/02/19 California Jackie Wilson
1941/10/31 Fritzie Zivic
1942/01/16 Fritzie Zivic
1950/06/05 Robert Villemain
1941/07/21 Sammy Angott

A Grade Wins

1952/04/16 Rocky Graziano
1946/03/04 Sammy Angott
1948/06/28 Bernard Docusen
1950/12/22 Robert Villemain
1945/02/23 Jake LaMotta
1949/08/24 Steve Belloise
1942/08/27 Tony Motisi
1942/08/21 Reuben Shank
1950/03/22 George Costner
1950/10/26 Bobo Olson
1948/09/23 Kid Gavilan
1945/01/16 Tommy Bell
1949/04/20 Earl Turner

B,C & D Grade Wins

1952/03/13 Bobo Olson
1950/12/09 Luc van Dam
1950/08/25 Jose Basora
1946/07/12 Joe Curcio
1945/06/15 Jimmy McDaniels
1950/08/09 Charley Fusari
1946/12/20 Tommy Bell
1961/10/21 Denny Moyer
1947/12/10 Billy Nixon
1946/11/01 Cecil Hudson
1950/11/08 Bobby Dykes
1941/09/19 Maxie Shapiro
1947/06/24 Jimmy Doyle
1963/01/30 Ralph Dupas
1942/05/28 Marty Servo
1950/10/16 Joe Rindone
1942/03/20 Norman Rubio
1941/06/16 Mike Evans
1948/03/16 Henry Brimm
1947/05/16 Georgie Abrams
1946/02/15 O’Neill Bell
1941/07/02 Pete Lello
1949/02/10 Young Gene Buffalo
1941/09/25 Marty Servo
1942/12/01 Izzy Jannazzo
1942/10/19 Izzy Jannazzo
1942/02/20 Maxie Berger
1943/07/01 Ralph Zannelli
1944/12/22 George Martin
1950/04/28 Ray Barnes
1950/11/27 Jean Stock
1951/06/10 Jan de Bruin
1951/07/01 Cyrille Delannoit
1944/11/24 Vic Dellicurti
1946/10/07 Ossie Harris
1955/01/05 Joe Rindone
1947/12/19 Chuck Taylor
1949/03/25 Bobby Lee
1944/10/13 Izzy Jannazzo
1941/02/21 Bobby McIntire
1942/10/02 Jake LaMotta
1946/11/06 Artie Levine
1944/10/27 Lou Woods
1941/03/03 Jimmy Tygh
1945/12/04 Vic Dellicurti
1961/12/08 Wilf Greaves
1964/09/28 Yoland Leveque
1955/03/29 Johnny Lombardo
1940/12/09 Norment Quarles
1943/04/30 Freddie Cabral
1941/05/19 Nick Castiglione
1945/02/14 George Costner
1946/01/14 Dave Clark
1942/12/14 Al Nettlow
1946/06/25 Norman Rubio
1951/04/09 Don Ellis
1963/11/16 Emiel Sarens
1950/02/13 Al Mobley
1946/08/15 Vinnie Vines
1941/01/31 George Zengaras
1949/04/11 Don Lee
1955/05/04 Garth Panter
1964/10/12 Johnny Angel
1941/04/14 Jimmy Tygh
1955/04/14 Ted Olla
1951/05/21 Kid Marcel
1941/04/30 Joe Ghnouly
1950/09/04 Billy Brown
1948/11/15 Bobby Lee
1950/02/27 Jean Walzack


Roberto Duran placed 60th on straight achievements but several losses to lower tier opposition pushed him down to a final placement of 72nd.

AA Grade Wins

1980/06/20 Sugar Ray Leonard

A Grade Wins

1974/03/16 Esteban De Jesus
1972/06/26 Ken Buchanan
1989/02/24 Iran Barkley
1978/01/21 Esteban De Jesus
1979/06/22 Carlos Palomino
1983/06/16 Davey Moore
He also has a few other lists

Number of Wins Against Opponents Deemed Credible At The Time They Were Beaten
Maxie Rosenbloom 109
Sugar Ray Robinson 101
Harry Greb 92
Archie Moore 87
Henry Armstrong 87


Holman Williams (86 credible wins) and Marcel Cerdan (23 credible wins) in Paris.

Holman Williams 86
Kid Gavilan 80
Jack Britton 73
Tony Canzoneri 72
Ike Williams 71
Tommy Loughran 65
Fritzie Zivic 65
Jimmy Bivins 59
Freddie Dawson 59
Emile Griffith 58
Ezzard Charles 58
Joey Giardello 58
Willie Pep 58
Johnny Dundee 58
Young Corbett III 54
Joe Louis 53
Lew Tendler 53
Ceferino Garcia 51
Bobo Olson 50
Joe Brown 49
Jake LaMotta 48
Mickey Walker 48
Benny Leonard 47
Sammy Angott 46
Jose Napoles 44
Muhammad Ali 43
Duilio Loi 43
Bob Montgomery 42
Lou Ambers 42
Young Stribling 42


John Henry Lewis: 40 credible wins.

John Henry Lewis 40
Sandy Saddler 39
Charley Burley 38
Nino Benvenuti 37
Lou Brouillard 37
Floyd Patterson 35
Dick Tiger 35
Joey Maxim 35
Ismael Laguna 34
Barney Ross 33
Gene Fullmer 32
Fred Apostoli 32
Lloyd Marshall 32
Davey Moore 32
Tiger Flowers 31
Jack Dillon 31
Randy Turpin 30
Julio Cesar Chavez 30
Billy Conn 29
Roberto Duran 29
Carlos Ortiz 28
Willie Pastrano 28
Mike Gibbons 28
Carlos Monzon 27
Jimmy McLarnin 26


Hagler & Hearns both make the Top 100.

Marvin Hagler 26
Carmen Basilio 26
Tommy Gibbons 26
Nicolino Locche 26
Kid Chocolate 26
Víctor Galíndez 26
Harry Wills 26
Sam Langford 26
Sonny Liston 25
Larry Holmes 25
Henry Cooper 25
Sugar Ramos 25
Jack Chase 25
Battling Levinsky 25
Primo Carnera 24
Jersey Joe Walcott 23
Zora Folley 23
Marcel Cerdan 23
Antonio Cervantes 23
Thomas Hearns 22
Alexis Arguello 22
Floyd Mayweather Jr 20
Lennox Lewis 20
Curtis Cokes 20
Roy Jones Jr 20
Ken Buchanan 20
Sugar Ray Leonard 19
Michael Spinks 19
George Foreman 19
Evander Holyfield 19
Wladimir Klitschko 19
Mike Tyson 19
Oscar Bonavena 19
Rocky Graziano 19
Bob Foster 18
Oscar De La Hoya 18
Pernell Whitaker 18
Bernard Hopkins 18
Tony Zale 18
Vicente Saldivar 17
Jose Torres 17
Shane Mosley 17
Max Baer 17
Matthew Saad Muhammad 17
Joe Frazier 16
Freddie Little 16
Max Schmeling 16
Ruben Olivares 16
Gene Tunney 15


László Papp

László Papp 15
Ingemar Johansson 15
Felix Trinidad 15
Eder Jofre 15
Donald Curry 15
Kostya Tszyu 15
Manny Pacquiao 15
Gregorio Peralta 15
Terry Norris 15
Rocky Marciano 14
Lou Nova 14
Azumah Nelson 14
Wilfred Benitez 14
Johnny Kilbane 14
Michael Nunn 13
Mike McCallum 13
George Chuvalo 13
Cleveland Williams 13
Pipino Cuevas 13
Vitali Klitschko 12
Wilfredo Gomez 12
Ronald Wright 12
Gerrie Coetzee 12
Vito Antuofermo 12
James Toney 12
Eusebio Pedroza 12
Ken Norton 11
Juan Manuel Marquez 11
Ron Lyle 11
Naseem Hamed 10
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad 10
Marco Antonio Barrera 10
Bruce Curry 10
Mike Weaver 10
Aaron Pryor 9
Riddick Bowe 9
Miguel Cotto 9
Fighting Harada 9
Jack Dempsey 9
Erik Morales 9
Dwight Muhammad Qawi 9
Jack Johnson 9
Joe Gans 9
Salvador Sanchez 8
Sergio Martínez 8
Antonio Tarver 8
Lloyd Honeyghan 8
Zab Judah 8
Michael Moorer 8
Edwin Rosario 8
Danny Lopez 8
Hector Camacho 8
Daniel Zaragoza 8
Meldrick Taylor 8
Tim Witherspoon 8
Jermain Taylor 7
Diego Corrales 7
Michael Dokes 7
Rocky Lockridge 7
Stanley Ketchel 7
Cyclone Hart 7
Antonio Margarito 7
Abe Attell 7
Joe Jeanette 7
Kid Williams 7
Carlos Zarate 6
Ray Mancini 6
Julian Jackson 6
Bobby Chacon 6
John Mugabi 6
Pancho Villa 6
Earnie Shavers 6
Georges Carpentier 6
Fernando Vargas 5
Gerry Cooney 4
Brian Mitchell 4
Humberto González 4
Ricardo Mayorga 4
Gennady Golovkin 3
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr 3
Adolfo Viruet 3
Kevin Kelly 3
Miguel Canto 3
Brandon Ríos 2
Terry McGovern 2
Philadelphia Jack O’Brien 2
Joe Walcott 2
Michael Carbajal 1
Ricardo Lopez 0
Khaosai Galaxy 0
Ivan Calderon 0
Harry Harris 0
 

kf3

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that's pretty interesting and probably took a good while, i don't agree with some of the criteria, especially the sub elite losses, any list without gans or langford needs some work.
 

Pedderrs

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How is he deciding if an opponent was deemed credible or not?
The same way you and I do I imagine. It's as much a subjective list as any found on these forums.

It is totally down to him. He says that Pacquiao has 5 'sub elite level losses' which I really disagree with. Also, because Leonard 'had only beaten Benitez' before Duran outpointed him, it is only a grade AA win, not an AAA, despite it being one of the best single wins in history
That's complete horseshit.
 
that's pretty interesting and probably took a good while, i don't agree with some of the criteria, especially the sub elite losses, any list without gans or langford needs some work.
Yup. Langford, Gans and Benny Leonard are a top 20 lock, for me anyway.

The same way you and I do I imagine. It's as much a subjective list as any found on these forums.



That's complete horseshit.
Yup. While the maths is good, at the end of the day the category wins is entirely subjective.

Am I right in thinking that his criteria would have Brandon Rios ranked higher than Khaosai Galaxy?
:lol:
 
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It is totally down to him. He says that Pacquiao has 5 'sub elite level losses' which I really disagree with. Also, because Leonard 'had only beaten Benitez' before Duran outpointed him, it is only a grade AA win, not an AAA, despite it being one of the best single wins in history
Leonard had a fair few quality wins to his name.

I would suggest this fellow has no fucking clue what he's talking about. Fuck him.
 

Yiddle

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Just a little background. Matt is a South African mathematician who know lives in london. He has drawn up his own mathematical formula and come up with the greatest 100 boxers on an order of merit basis. He ranks every fighter who has 'more than 10 'credible' wins' and drawn up a list. It has taken him 6 months, and here is the outcome.



Immediate thoughts on this?
I take my hat off to him for the time and effort it must of taken but I could be wrong but I couldn't jack kid berg in there and even more of a surprise no ted kid lewis

Ok just noticed no Benny leonard
 
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Pedderrs

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I take my hat off to him for the time and effort it must of taken but I could be wrong but I couldn't jack kid berg in there and even more of a surprise no ted kid lewis
It took Matt Hamilton 6 months to come to the conclusion that Brandon Rios is a greater fighter than Khaosai Galaxy. Matt Hamilton will never get that time back, Yiddle.
 
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How could Ingemar Johannson, Carnera and zora Folley possibly accrue more points than someone Like Whitaker under the conditions he lays out?