Michelle Carter is appealing her manslaughter conviction and 15 month sentence that she got for encouraging her boyfriend to kill himself.

Haggis

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She was 17 when she encouraged her boyfriend to kill himself. She was on the phone with him as he was inhaling carbon monoxide inside a truck in a closed garage. An HBO doco about her has just come out, turned "I love you, now die."

Here are some texts between them the day before his suicide:

Carter: I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready, you just need to do it! You can't keep living this way. You just need to do it like you did last time and not think about it and just do it babe. You can't keep doing this everyday.

Roy: I do want to. but like I'm freaking out for my family. I guess.

Carter: Conrad. I told you I'll take care of them. Everyone will take care of them to make sure they won't be alone and people will help them get thru it. We talked about this, they will be okay and accept it. People who commit suicide don't think this much and they just do it

Roy: I know I know lol. thinking just drives me more crazy

Carter: Exactly. You just need to do it Conrad or I'm gonna get you help

Roy: Okay I'm gonna do it today

Carter: Do you promise?

Roy: I promise babe



So she was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, but her lawyers are claiming freedom of speech, and now the Supreme Court is going to hear the case.

Should she go to jail for pressuring her boyfriend to kill himself, even though she was not on the scene and didn't physically assist in any way? Or is she covered by freedom of speech?

What should her sentence be? Is she a murderer?

:hat
 

DB Cooper

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She was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and morally I think her sentence is just. But...

My first impression was she should have been charged with insightment. Insightment, in criminal law, being the encouragement of another person to commit a crime. However, as I understand it, suicide isn't a crime any more. Hasn't been for many years.

Very interesting case.
 
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Not strange she is appealing. Who wouldn't try find whatever they could to get themselves out of the pen when in her situation... but, Fuck her, she got what she deserved.

This "Freedom of speech"thing is bullshit. Yeh sure people can say whatever they want, but she knew he was vulnerable and that she was pushing him over the cliff.

No sympathy for her at all.
 
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She’s clearly not a murderer on account of the fact that she didn’t actually murder the guy, but 15 months seems light for what she did do. If she were a man and the deceased was a woman I fucking guarantee the penalty would have been much, much worse. I don’t believe this appeal will go her way, nor do I think it should.
 
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The guy clearly had some form of mental health problems so she took advantage of a vulnerable person leading them to harming themselves. I look at this similarly to how if somebody told a two year old to run out in front of the road. You are not committing the act yourself but you sure as fuck aren't innocent from it due to the person you are doing it to not having the mental capacity at that time to help themselves.

She had every right to walk away from the guy but to encourage a clearly vulnerable person to kill themselves? Nope that ain't got nothing to do with free speech.
 
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She was 17 when she encouraged her boyfriend to kill himself. She was on the phone with him as he was inhaling carbon monoxide inside a truck in a closed garage. An HBO doco about her has just come out, turned "I love you, now die."

Here are some texts between them the day before his suicide:

Carter: I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready, you just need to do it! You can't keep living this way. You just need to do it like you did last time and not think about it and just do it babe. You can't keep doing this everyday.

Roy: I do want to. but like I'm freaking out for my family. I guess.

Carter: Conrad. I told you I'll take care of them. Everyone will take care of them to make sure they won't be alone and people will help them get thru it. We talked about this, they will be okay and accept it. People who commit suicide don't think this much and they just do it

Roy: I know I know lol. thinking just drives me more crazy

Carter: Exactly. You just need to do it Conrad or I'm gonna get you help

Roy: Okay I'm gonna do it today

Carter: Do you promise?

Roy: I promise babe



So she was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, but her lawyers are claiming freedom of speech, and now the Supreme Court is going to hear the case.

Should she go to jail for pressuring her boyfriend to kill himself, even though she was not on the scene and didn't physically assist in any way? Or is she covered by freedom of speech?

What should her sentence be? Is she a murderer?

:hat
Yes.

It's preying on vulnerable people, it should fall outwith freedom of speech and be considered akin to incitement but manslaughter is fair.

Give her 15 years minimum.
 
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What a miserable looking cunt that gal is. She got nothing more than a slap on the wrist with that 15 month sentence. With good behavior time, she'll likely do no more than 8-9 months before being released and she is appealing that????

I bet the parents of the guy she talked into killing himself are not at all happy with this outcome.
 

Slick Ric

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What a miserable looking cunt that gal is. She got nothing more than a slap on the wrist with that 15 month sentence. With good behavior time, she'll likely do no more than 8-9 months before being released and she is appealing that????

I bet the parents of the guy she talked into killing himself are not at all happy with this outcome.
Wouldn’t it be nice if there was some way for this appeal to backfire on the dumb bitch and add years to her original sentence?
 
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Wouldn’t it be nice if there was some way for this appeal to backfire on the dumb bitch and add years to her original sentence?
I like the way you think. That would be poetic justice.

Just like those that bring frivolous lawsuits to tie up the courts with bullshit cases. Make them pay the full court costs and defendants attorney fees when their case is either thrown out or they are decided against by a jury.
 
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:lol: freedom of speech!?!. Says everything...

Looked like a clear case of Involuntary manslaughter in my non experty opinion. There should be outrage if she gets off. Infact 15bmonth sentence itself is outrageous, she led the sick man to his death and did not assist in saving him. I can't help but feel justice has not been dealt here
 
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From my understanding she was trying to talk him out of it at first, but he kept on insisting. I think she was just a very stupid, very naive girl who somehow thought she was helping out a friend...

Some jail time it understandable, but I understand her trying to get out of it as well
 

DB Cooper

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Yes.

It's preying on vulnerable people, it should fall outwith freedom of speech and be considered akin to incitement but manslaughter is fair.

Give her 15 years minimum.
Insightment is the encouragement of another person to commit a crime. Now she clearly insighted him to kill himself. However, as I understand it, suicide isn't a crime any more.
 

DB Cooper

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:lol: freedom of speech!?!. Says everything...

Looked like a clear case of Involuntary manslaughter in my non experty opinion. There should be outrage if she gets off. Infact 15bmonth sentence itself is outrageous, she led the sick man to his death and did not assist in saving him. I can't help but feel justice has not been dealt here
Just further proof that freedom of speech can be a very dangerous tool in the wrong hands.
 
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thehook13

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From my understanding she was trying to talk him out of it at first, but he kept on insisting. I think she was just a very stupid, very naive girl who somehow thought she was helping out a friend...

Some jail time it understandable, but I understand her trying to get out of it as well
Going to the supreme Court is understandable?! Its not a good move at all.

I know she was fucked up like him, on anti depressants and battling eating disorder. Still pretty bad what she did