Morrissey Appreciation Thread

Chaney

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this song?

Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head
And as I climb into an empty bed
Oh well. Enough said […]

christ,it makes ME wanna cut myself..................
I must admit I know very little about Morrissey.

But based on that song you quoted above, IMO, 'Eleanor Rigby' or 'Dear Prudence' for example, say more with a lot less.

It's all subjective, I guess. But the Beatles (especially later on) had some great poetic lyrics to go with their music.


EDIT: I should be fair and listen to the Morrissey song before making up my mind on it...lyrics alone can always look a bit odd...
 

SwollenGoat

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Honestly...this is the lamest insult used about any song that deals with something depressing or ideas of people being low..."teenage girls cutting themselves"...it comes out all the time. So any lyrics that are bleak or talk about depression are dismissed as angsty teens.

It is not remotely self pitying for a start and the lyrics switch from the first to the third person which is pretty unique for a kick off. It then goes introspective and it sums up the confident, playboy figure who actually has nothing. That's one song anyway and even in very simple tracks he writes about quite unique ideas for a song but your dislike is well documented so whatever was posted you would dismiss as awful.
I disagree with that as well

Plenty of 'depressing' songs dont come off as bad highschool poetry to me.................

thisone does

hell,morrisseys whole career sounds like the soundtrack to a 14 year old girl with black lipstick's life of 'pain'...............

Nick Drake,for example,does depressing right [or did it right,eh?]
 

SwollenGoat

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I must admit I know very little about Morrissey.

But based on that song you quoted above, IMO, 'Eleanor Rigby' or 'Dear Prudence' for example, say more with a lot less.

It's all subjective, I guess. But the Beatles (especially later on) had some great poetic lyrics to go with their music.

EDIT: I should be fair and listen to the Morrissey song before making up my mind on it...
yes

Eleanor Rigby is one of the most depressing bits of poetry ever written into a pop song................its brilliant....short,concise and brilliant


was the first song on my list of beatle songs that do it better then morrisseys song there................
 
Nov 14, 2014
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What does that have to do with anything? I think the Beatles are the greater band, they have written far more timeless classics, but that is nothing to do with lyrics it is to do with melody. Some of their most loved songs are lyrically simple but have a great melody and rhythm. Many people don't even know the lyrics to songs they love. Look at tracks like Delilah by Tom Jones and When A Man Loves A Woman by Percy Sledge. The former is sung like some feel good, upbeat ditty by people who don't know the lyrics and thus don't know it's about murdering a woman. The latter is played by people at weddings and like some romantic ballad when it's an indictment of men acting like idiots and fucking off friendships for a woman even when she is a dick.

Also, quoting popularity as a proof of merit is not a good way to go. On that basis, Justin Bieber and One Direction are the greatest artists in the world and 50 Shades of Grey is the greatest work of literature in history.

The Beatles are better than The Smiths. I prefer more of their songs and by any measure they achieved far more, influenced music far more and created songs that are loved around the world while still having artistic merit. But, most of the time the lyrics of The Smiths are better. You can read the lyrics and find interest in them or commentary on human behaviour etc. If you only read the lyrics of most Beatles songs you would find nothing of note...not all, but most. But their lyrics were never their genius.
What a Load of BOLLOX!!

Yesterday and

The Long And Winding Road

alone are 2 " tunes " if that is what you are stupid enough to call them, will go down in history as far greater than anything Morrisey and his asswipe klingons could ever dream of writing. And neither have got anything to do with melodies.

Unlike you, I am not blinkered enough to dismiss Lennon & Mc Cartney as nothing more than song writing genius's even though their songs never floated my boat. Similarly there are threads in which morons dismiss Dylan as a " nasal voiced whiner " totally missing the point that is he is probably the most prolific " popular " songwriter of our time.

I'll say again, other than junkies ,and Northern depressives, who genuinely gave a fuck about Morrissey?


Answer. Almost no one. A very poor Northern England tribute to Leonard Cohen. That's it.
 
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What a Load of BOLLOX!!

Yesterday and

The Long And Winding Road

alone are 2 " tunes " if that is what you are stupid enough to call them, will go down in history as far greater than anything Morrisey and his asswipe klingons could ever dream of writing. And neither have got anything to do with melodies.

Unlike you, I am not blinkered enough to dismiss Lennon & Mc Cartney as nothing more than song writing genius's even though their songs never floated my boat. Similarly there are threads in which morons dismiss Dylan as a " nasal voiced whiner " totally missing the point that is he is probably the most prolific " popular " songwriter of our time.

I'll say again, other than junkies ,and Northern depressives, who genuinely gave a fuck about Morrissey?


Answer. Almost no one. A very poor Northern England tribute to Leonard Cohen. That's it.
Okay well evidently having a discussion about it is pointless. You think my view is bollocks and the only people who like The Smiths are junkies or depressives, so fine. I can't be arsed trying to argue a case otherwise as it won't change your opinion and you obviously feel strongly about it, so we'll leave it here.
 
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The Beatles wrote some great lyrics and in a lot of songs got their message across in 2-3 minutes the length of their average track. It's is well documented that the Beatles revolutionized song writing reinventing it continuously.

I don't really go along with lyrics being comparable to poetry. The dynamics and meaning of words can be greatly amplified by the dynamics and context of the music. With poetry the words stand alone even if their is a meter to the poem and the speaker delivers with passion and sensitivity.

With Smiths fans it's always been the same since the 80's, they don't have fans they have disciples. Pretty hard to listen to them when they are talking about their hero. To compare Manchester bands I would see The Fall as having cleverer lyrics.

Of the great 1960's bands I see it that Pete Townsend and Ray Davis were operating at a higher intellectual level than the Beatles or the Stones with Townsend in particular being outstanding as his lyrics were so personal and searching. Not my favourite guy but Dylan was in a league of his own.
 
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What a Load of BOLLOX!!

Yesterday and

The Long And Winding Road

alone are 2 " tunes " if that is what you are stupid enough to call them, will go down in history as far greater than anything Morrisey and his asswipe klingons could ever dream of writing. And neither have got anything to do with melodies.

Unlike you, I am not blinkered enough to dismiss Lennon & Mc Cartney as nothing more than song writing genius's even though their songs never floated my boat. Similarly there are threads in which morons dismiss Dylan as a " nasal voiced whiner " totally missing the point that is he is probably the most prolific " popular " songwriter of our time.

I'll say again, other than junkies ,and Northern depressives, who genuinely gave a fuck about Morrissey?


Answer. Almost no one. A very poor Northern England tribute to Leonard Cohen. That's it.
A fair few people gave a fuck,they shifted a fair few records at a different time to The Beatles. Id rather listen to The Smiths over Dylan or Lennon and certainly McCartney but that is just my choice I don`t expect everyone else to agree. You could say a lot of sheep go with the view of Lennon,McCartney and Dylan being the greatest beyond doubt.
 
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A fair few people gave a fuck,they shifted a fair few records at a different time to The Beatles. Id rather listen to The Smiths over Dylan or Lennon and certainly McCartney but that is just my choice I don`t expect everyone else to agree. You could say a lot of sheep go with the view of Lennon,McCartney and Dylan being the greatest beyond doubt.
Jesus fucking christ. It has nothing to do with what either the Beatles, Dylan, or fucking Morrissey performed. It has EVERYTHING to do with what these people WROTE. The statistics of the amount of Beatles, and Dylan songs that were covered in different genre's and by different artists are leagues above anything Morrissey, and / or the Smiths, or anyone they EVER fucking knew, leave NO room for debate.

There is a reason for this, and it is NOT because Lennon / McCartney, and Dylan wrote " cheese "
 
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Jesus fucking christ. It has nothing to do with what either the Beatles, Dylan, or fucking Morrissey performed. It has EVERYTHING to do with what these people WROTE. The statistics of the amount of Beatles, and Dylan songs that were covered in different genre's and by different artists are leagues above anything Morrissey, and / or the Smiths, or anyone they EVER fucking knew, leave NO room for debate.

There is a reason for this, and it is NOT because Lennon / McCartney, and Dylan wrote " cheese "
There is always room for debate.
You could say the songs are easy to cover,just easy in general the sort of thing you can sell to people over and over with a bit of restyling. You would call that great writing on a money making level but is it really deep song writing or happy birthday type stuff?
 
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Jesus fucking christ. It has nothing to do with what either the Beatles, Dylan, or fucking Morrissey performed. It has EVERYTHING to do with what these people WROTE. The statistics of the amount of Beatles, and Dylan songs that were covered in different genre's and by different artists are leagues above anything Morrissey, and / or the Smiths, or anyone they EVER fucking knew, leave NO room for debate.

There is a reason for this, and it is NOT because Lennon / McCartney, and Dylan wrote " cheese "
Also your posts read like the Sun newspaper. The odd WORD in bold capitals,is there a point to this?
 

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'Straya, cunt.
What a Load of BOLLOX!!

Similarly there are threads in which morons dismiss Dylan as a " nasal voiced whiner"
He is. He's a great lyricist but putting out a song is a lot more than penning lyrics, his musical arrangements and voice are crap, and before you go calling any one in here a moron, perhaps have good look at yourself with your need to abuse and insult every one you try and communicate with on here.
 
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There is always room for debate.
You could say the songs are easy to cover,just easy in general the sort of thing you can sell to people over and over with a bit of restyling. You would call that great writing on a money making level but is it really deep song writing or happy birthday type stuff?


So you now think All along The Watchtower, Like A Rolling Stone, Blowin In The Wind, A Hard Rain Is Gonna Fall, She Belongs To Me, Just Like A Woman, It's Alright Ma, Maggies Farm, and Mr Tambourine Man, plus hundreds of others were merely " money making " songs?

Are you fucking sure?
 
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this song?


Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head
And as I climb into an empty bed
Oh well. Enough said.
I know it's over - still I cling
I don't know where else I can go
Oh...

Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head
See, the sea wants to take me
The knife wants to slit me
Do you think you can help me?

Sad veiled bride, please be happy
Handsome groom, give her room
Loud, loutish lover, treat her kindly
(Though she needs you
More than she loves you)
And I know it's over - still I cling
I don't know where else I can go
Over and over and over and over
Over and over, la...

I know it's over
And it never really began
But in my heart it was so real
And you even spoke to me, and said :
"If you're so funny
Then why are you on your own tonight ?
And if you're so clever
Then why are you on your own tonight ?
If you're so very entertaining
Then why are you on your own tonight ?
If you're so very good-looking
Why do you sleep alone tonight ?
I know...

'Cause tonight is just like any other night
That's why you're on your own tonight
With your triumphs and your charms
While they're in each other's arms..."
It's so easy to laugh
It's so easy to hate
It takes strength to be gentle and kind
Over, over, over, over

It's so easy to laugh
It's so easy to hate
It takes guts to be gentle and kind
Over, over
Love is natural and real
But not for you, my love
Not tonight, my love
Love is natural and real
But not for such as you and I, my love

Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my ...
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head
Oh Mother, I can even feel the soil falling over my head
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head
Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my...




christ,it makes ME wanna cut myself..................
Makes me want to cut myself too. Actually, on second though, it makes me so sad I want to cut Morrissey.
 
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The clown prince of cunts and pretentious twats.

One fan shows his appreciation the only logical way, with a water battle to the face!

[video=youtube;QVP9jRed6aI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVP9jRed6aI[/video]
 
Nov 14, 2014
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He is. He's a great lyricist but putting out a song is a lot more than penning lyrics, his musical arrangements and voice are crap, and before you go calling any one in here a moron, perhaps have good look at yourself with your need to abuse and insult every one you try and communicate with on here.
As the saying goes " If the cap fits, wear it "

It is not my intention to insult everyone or indeed anyone, but sometimes the obvious is so glaring it defies logic to even think about trying to dispute it. Dylan's song writing, and arrangements are above reproach, it is his performances that let him down. But as stated, to criticise them is to completely miss the point of his genius. It is not a matter of personal like or dislike ( I was not that keen on either him or the Beatles ) but I like to think I have got just enough common sense to accept that these guys were in a completely different league when it came to song writing, both deep meaningful songs, or catchy simple " tunes "

Teenagers simply do NOT write songs like Mr Tambourine Man, unless they are gifted like he was / is.