Morrissey Appreciation Thread

Chaney

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Funny how divisive Morrisy is as a lyricist, a few on here (my self included) think his lyrics are a load of wank and then others, such as Strike, see brilliance in them.
Yeah, that's a good point.

I never "got" Morrissey (except for really liking the track 'How Soon Is Now'...and that is as much the music as the lyrics that wins me over there) but I know several people more knowledgable than me on music and literature who really rate him.

Which is OK. It's fine that we all have different tastes. Morrissey is not to my personal taste, but I concede he is talented and that his work speaks to many people.

For my money Dylan, Cohen, Waits, Drake, Cave, Yorke...and, yes, Lennon & McCartney are all better songwriters...but that's just to my own taste. (PJ Harvey, Kate Bush and Carole King too...but we seem to be talking about male songwriters only here, for some reason)

I'm happy to listen to some more of Morrissey's best stuff and see if it'll get me to change my mind. I suppose the videos posted here are a good place to start...?
 

DBerry

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'Straya, cunt.
Yeah, that's a good point.

I never "got" Morrissey (except for really liking the track 'How Soon Is Now'...and that is as much the music as the lyrics that wins me over there) but I know several people more knowledgable than me on music and literature who really rate him.

Which is OK. It's fine that we all have different tastes. Morrissey is not to my personal taste, but I concede he is talented and that his work speaks to many people.

For my money Dylan, Cohen, Waits, Drake, Cave...and, yes, Lennon & McCartney are all better songwriters...but that's just to my own taste.

I'm happy to listen to some more of Morrissey's best stuff and ee if it'll get me to change my mind. I suppose the videos posted here are a good place to start...?
I like how you've mentioned Waits, he was going to be the next name I randomly posted in here :lol: but you have also drawn light to something I've been trying to articulate, Morrisay pens lyrics, all the others mentionend by you (and others) in this thread write the whole song, lyrics sheet music, arrangements etc.
 

Chaney

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Oh, and [MENTION=1797]Chaney[/MENTION], Kate Bush is a great mention, a musical genius!
She is a rare and fantastic talent.

Always hits home to me just what a talent she has, to have written her first album 'The Kick Inside' at the age of 18 or earlier.

'The Man With The Child In His Eyes' was written when she was just 13 years old!
 

DBerry

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'Straya, cunt.
She is a rare and fantastic talent.

Always hits home to me just what a talent she has, to have written her first album 'The Kick Inside' at the age of 18 or earlier.

'The Man With The Child In His Eyes' was written when she was just 13 years old!
I can feel my daughter cringe whenever 'Wuthering heights' comes on the car radio, she gets a lecture from me every time it comes on, in fact, she gets in first "i know, I know, Kate Bush was just eighteen when she wrote this......." :lol:
 

DBerry

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'Straya, cunt.
You could add Dolly Parton and Joni Mitchel to your list of great female song writers as well.

Van Morrison (@Matty lll) and Paul Simon have now been mentioned in this thread, also :smile
 

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How can you not like that..
Because its the worst music I have ever heard in my life and I am not joking. I will explain to to you people.
The Smiths sounds like awful music you imagine you would hear in a gay bar. Its sounds like music that was made for 16 year old gay kids. Its a very feminine sounding guy trying to sound profound while being backed up by the Culture Club. Its the worst music ever. If someone put that on and work I would demand they take it off right away ot I would kick their ass hard. I have nothing against gays but its not my world.
Brits have a very feminine culture and I am not joking. Almost all Brits sound feminine to other people, and they like alot of feminine things. So it makes a little sense that the Smith would be popular in England. BUt they never even made a tiny little dent in America for the reasons I already told you. For someone to ask how someone can not like that crap is backwards.
 

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I had never even fucking heard of them before a certain poster's obsession with Morrissey's genius became a thread-destroying topic repeatedly.
 
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She is a rare and fantastic talent.

Always hits home to me just what a talent she has, to have written her first album 'The Kick Inside' at the age of 18 or earlier.

'The Man With The Child In His Eyes' was written when she was just 13 years old!
My baby girl was four when she became a fan of Kate.
That made me damn proud ah tell thee!
 

Masters

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Because its the worst music I have ever heard in my life and I am not joking. I will explain to to you people.
The Smiths sounds like awful music you imagine you would hear in a gay bar. Its sounds like music that was made for 16 year old gay kids. Its a very feminine sounding guy trying to sound profound while being backed up by the Culture Club. Its the worst music ever. If someone put that on and work I would demand they take it off right away ot I would kick their ass hard. I have nothing against gays but its not my world.
Brits have a very feminine culture and I am not joking. Almost all Brits sound feminine to other people, and they like alot of feminine things. So it makes a little sense that the Smith would be popular in England. BUt they never even made a tiny little dent in America for the reasons I already told you. For someone to ask how someone can not like that crap is backwards.
Who gives a flying fuck what some homophobic , spastic cunt , nothing man like you would think?

The Smiths were huge in America. So was Morreisey and he still is today. He just played a sold out show in Madison Square Garden.
 
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I hate to burst your bubble but watch this and concentrate on the effects pedals.


https://youtu.be/6-0TzlNQaNc?t=36

And if you think that is OTT you wouldn't care to imagine what that cunt from U2 has to " create " his sound.
I actually meant "Big Love" mate.:patsch
My bad.
But I really don't feel cheated with this info.I've seen him pick up an acoustic that I'm pretty sure wasn't rigged and play "Never Going Back Again" and he still got that full sound out of it.
I get your point but I don't hold The Edge's reliance on effects against him.He's considered a bit of a pioneer in that dept and there was a time where you only had to hear the first bar to know it was a U2 song.
If you're a stickler for virtuosity he's never gonna be your hero.
 
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I had never even fucking heard of them before a certain poster's obsession with Morrissey's genius became a thread-destroying topic repeatedly.
I can't believe this thread has gone 8 pages with no contribution.
I hope he never took the stuff on the Valium thread to heart.
 
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I said you could say that. To be honest I don't care that much,I was just saying you can always have a debate/discussion about music as everyone has different taste. You don't seem to be able to discuss anything without either putting in a load of swearing or being generally unpleasant.
Translates to, my side of the debate had less foundation than a shanty town shack, so I will criticise you personally. If that's all you got, then I suggest you research the career works of Dylan before portraying your " opinion " as a legitimate critique.
 
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I actually meant "Big Love" mate.:patsch
My bad.
But I really don't feel cheated with this info.I've seen him pick up an acoustic that I'm pretty sure wasn't rigged and play "Never Going Back Again" and he still got that full sound out of it.
I get your point but I don't hold The Edge's reliance on effects against him.He's considered a bit of a pioneer in that dept and there was a time where you only had to hear the first bar to know it was a U2 song.
If you're a stickler for virtuosity he's never gonna be your hero.
You mentioned Bill Bailey earlier. There is a clip somewhere of him playing a 4 or 5 note riff built around an E minor chord or something equally simple, saying ladies and gentleman this is how the edge sounds without the effects, he then clicks 3 or 4 pedals plays exactly the same notes again and it sounds like ten guitars being played in a railway tunnel at full volume, and his comment, this is what you are paying 4 at a U2 concert. I guess he is not too impressed by electronic gimmickry.

I have to concede when I see a guitarist with a bank of pedals the size of a pool table, it leaves me wondering whether or not the guy wants to play guitar, or work in electronics.
 

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I can't believe this thread has gone 8 pages with no contribution.
I hope he never took the stuff on the Valium thread to heart.
Eh.. Pretty sure he did. About that thread as well, I think you guys tore into Liam a little too hard for too long. He's an otherwise phenomenal poster.
 
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Because its the worst music I have ever heard in my life and I am not joking. I will explain to to you people.
The Smiths sounds like awful music you imagine you would hear in a gay bar. Its sounds like music that was made for 16 year old gay kids. Its a very feminine sounding guy trying to sound profound while being backed up by the Culture Club. Its the worst music ever. If someone put that on and work I would demand they take it off right away ot I would kick their ass hard. I have nothing against gays but its not my world.
Brits have a very feminine culture and I am not joking. Almost all Brits sound feminine to other people, and they like alot of feminine things. So it makes a little sense that the Smith would be popular in England. BUt they never even made a tiny little dent in America for the reasons I already told you. For someone to ask how someone can not like that crap is backwards.
I think you have less than no clue about your own Murican band culture. The amount of them that claim to have been influenced by the mid to late 60's British bands is endless. Here are a few to be going on with. Beatles, Stones, The Who, Kinks, The Hollies, Free, Cream.

Now look up all the Yank and Canadian muso's who say they were influenced by one or another of those. I'll give you a few to get you started, Bob Seger, Joe Walsh, Steve Tyler, James Taylor Neil Young, the guys from Lynyrd Skynyrd. When you get to 150 come back and let us know.:rolleyes
 

Masters

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The Smiths were 20 years ahead of their time. Popular music back then was glam/hair rock bands and synth heavy pop stars. Smiths sounded like nothing else around and wouldn't be copied till the 00's by bands like The Libertines , Placebo , The Killers and 90's greats like Radiohead , Pulp , Oasis Blur all claimed to be heavily influenced by Morrisey and Marr.
For having only 3 solid albums they left an exceptional legacy. 100's of bands more popular than they were in the 80's are dead and buried. I wouldn't convince anybody they're wrong for not liking them but some clowns out there feel compelled to insult an entire nation to prove you are wrong.

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Marr guitar playing was impeccable