Morrissey Appreciation Thread

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I think he has a certain quirkiness and wit to his lyrics but by no means do I think he is the greatest lyricist of all time or anywhere near there.

Off the top of my head I'd place Dylan, Lennon, Weller, Strummer, Pete Shelley of The Buzzcocks, post-Black Flag era Rollins ahead of him ("if you could see the you that I see when I see you seeing me you'd see yourself so differently") and many more if I were to spend the time going through my music collection.
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Yeah, that's a good point.

I never "got" Morrissey (except for really liking the track 'How Soon Is Now'...and that is as much the music as the lyrics that wins me over there) but I know several people more knowledgable than me on music and literature who really rate him.

Which is OK. It's fine that we all have different tastes. Morrissey is not to my personal taste, but I concede he is talented and that his work speaks to many people.

For my money Dylan, Cohen, Waits, Drake, Cave, Yorke...and, yes, Lennon & McCartney are all better songwriters...but that's just to my own taste. (PJ Harvey, Kate Bush and Carole King too...but we seem to be talking about male songwriters only here, for some reason)

I'm happy to listen to some more of Morrissey's best stuff and see if it'll get me to change my mind. I suppose the videos posted here are a good place to start...?
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You could add Dolly Parton and Joni Mitchel to your list of great female song writers as well.

Van Morrison (@Matty lll) and Paul Simon have now been mentioned in this thread, also :smile
Van is easily up there with the best, for me he's above most others...but that's the thing, usually those that like his stuff, really get it and love it. You can understand why others might not rank him so highly, he's coming from a very specific 'place'.
 
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You mentioned Bill Bailey earlier. There is a clip somewhere of him playing a 4 or 5 note riff built around an E minor chord or something equally simple, saying ladies and gentleman this is how the edge sounds without the effects, he then clicks 3 or 4 pedals plays exactly the same notes again and it sounds like ten guitars being played in a railway tunnel at full volume, and his comment, this is what you are paying 4 at a U2 concert. I guess he is not too impressed by electronic gimmickry.

I have to concede when I see a guitarist with a bank of pedals the size of a pool table, it leaves me wondering whether or not the guy wants to play guitar, or work in electronics.
I meant the Bill Bailey that changed his name mate.It was an in joke with me and [MENTION=365]Hands of Iron[/MENTION] and I was suggesting he would do a far better job of Bho-Rap.
I get what you're saying though.It's like that short clip of Angus and Mal playing "You Shook Me...." On the Stern show with acoustic guitars and Angus plays the solo(before Beano cuts in too soon) perfectly.
I just think Edge doesn't claim to be a virtuoso,and if better players like White and Page are happy to make a doc with him,it's acceptance of a certain level.
But again,I understand your point.
 
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Eh.. Pretty sure he did. About that thread as well, I think you guys tore into Liam a little too hard for too long. He's an otherwise phenomenal poster.

Liam's always been brilliant.After the initial broohah he took it right on the chin like a champ.
And for all he can be a pain,I don't want to see Trail leave.He is just a bad drunk and I don't believe it's a true representation of himself.
 

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I think you have less than no clue about your own Murican band culture. The amount of them that claim to have been influenced by the mid to late 60's British bands is endless. Here are a few to be going on with. Beatles, Stones, The Who, Kinks, The Hollies, Free, Cream.

Now look up all the Yank and Canadian muso's who say they were influenced by one or another of those. I'll give you a few to get you started, Bob Seger, Joe Walsh, Steve Tyler, James Taylor Neil Young, the guys from Lynyrd Skynyrd. When you get to 150 come back and let us know.:rolleyes
Not sure what this has to do with how bad the Smith suck.
 

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Who gives a flying fuck what some homophobic , spastic cunt , nothing man like you would think?

The Smiths were huge in America. So was Morreisey and he still is today. He just played a sold out show in Madison Square Garden.
The Smiths were not huge in America and you are just making that up. Just check out their American record sales. I never even heard of them until seeing Brits obsess about them on internet fourms. They are a zero in America. Straight Americans are not listening to awful deminine things like that and there is not enough gays to make them big.
England with their feminine culture I can see it.
 

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The Smiths were not huge in America and you are just making that up. Just check out their American record sales. I never even heard of them until seeing Brits obsess about them on internet fourms. They are a zero in America. Straight Americans are not listening to awful deminine things like that and there is not enough gays to make them big.
England with their feminine culture I can see it.
The Smiths broke up back in the 80's. Are you aware of that? Their tours during America were highly successful - selling out a few stadiums and playing multiple nights in LA due to demand.
They would have became even bigger if they hadn't broke up.
A zero in America yeah? Well almost every American music publication has The Queen Is Dead in every greatest of all time list.

And for such a feminista - Morrissey as a solo artist went to anti-gay Dallas Texas and filmed a sold out concert for video. And all his tours in The US have been highly popular since. Playing just one spot behind Paul Macartny at Cochealla a few years ago

http://www.copertinedvd.org/copertine-cd-file/M/morrissey_-_live_in_dallas_-_cover.jpg
 
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The Smiths broke up back in the 80's. Are you aware of that? Their tours during America were highly successful - selling out a few stadiums and playing multiple nights in LA due to demand.
They would have became even bigger if they hadn't broke up.
A zero in America yeah? Well almost every American music publication has The Queen Is Dead in every greatest of all time list.

And for such a feminista - Morrissey as a solo artist went to anti-gay Dallas Texas and filmed a sold out concert for video. And all his tours in The US have been highly popular since. Playing just one spot behind Paul Macartny at Cochealla a few years ago

http://www.copertinedvd.org/copertine-cd-file/M/morrissey_-_live_in_dallas_-_cover.jpg
I'm not contradicting you mate,because I don't know but what stadiums did they play in America?
I just tried to find out but I found this article which contains a quote that I had heard before which made me wonder about the stadium.I remember reading that their last U.S. tour was a bit of a disaster but that could well be an exaggeration.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/the-smiths/biography
 

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The Smiths broke up back in the 80's. Are you aware of that? Their tours during America were highly successful - selling out a few stadiums and playing multiple nights in LA due to demand.
They would have became even bigger if they hadn't broke up.
A zero in America yeah? Well almost every American music publication has The Queen Is Dead in every greatest of all time list.

And for such a feminista - Morrissey as a solo artist went to anti-gay Dallas Texas and filmed a sold out concert for video. And all his tours in The US have been highly popular since. Playing just one spot behind Paul Macartny at Cochealla a few years ago

http://www.copertinedvd.org/copertine-cd-file/M/morrissey_-_live_in_dallas_-_cover.jpg

Your lying again. The Smiths played tiny halls in America. Name all of these publicatons that rank them so high,
 

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I'm not contradicting you mate,because I don't know but what stadiums did they play in America?
I just tried to find out but I found this article which contains a quote that I had heard before which made me wonder about the stadium.I remember reading that their last U.S. tour was a bit of a disaster but that could well be an exaggeration.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/the-smiths/biography
I don't know. I was going off what it said on their tour archive.

http://www.passionsjustlikemine.com/live/smiths-gi8608.htm
 

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What I don't understand about Morrissey is, how can you be a multi-millionaire miserable emo kid for 30 years? Surely at some stage he would have lightened up a bit, looked around and realized he's travelled the world, had some incredible experiences, has millions of fans, made a ton of money and carved out a legacy in his field?

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What I don't understand about Morrissey is, how can you be a multi-millionaire miserable emo kid for 30 years? Surely at some stage he would have lightened up a bit, looked around and realized he's travelled the world, had some incredible experiences, has millions of fans, made a ton of money and carved out a legacy in his field?

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[video=youtube;6sKEK_aGKtc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sKEK_aGKtc[/video]
 

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What I don't understand about Morrissey is,

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Stop there. You don't understand so don't claim you do. It was all an act- a persona. Secretly inside he was laughing.
And the man never has to tour again but he is always on the road because he loves it. Even a cancer scare didn't stop him from playing to his fans.
 

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I saw that article myself mate.I've no idea about the others but I remember some band I liked played the Amphitheater and I'm sure the capacity is something like 7,500 but I may be wrong.
I just don't think they were a stadium band over there.
You're probably right but that still isn't bad for an indie band from England. Cracking the US is a major struggle for most bands. Morrissey has been a major draw over there since the early 90's