Most under-appreciated film of the 1970's

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Guns,Violence,Action,Warren Fucking Oates,More violence thought i was watching a war film at times,Terrific supporting cast includes Harry Dean Stanton,Ben Johnson as Melvin Purvis was great,Richard Dreyfuss....

To be fair this has some good reviews everywhere still tho this is Criminally underrated

John Milius's 73 Dillinger brutally KO's Michael Mann's 2009 Public Enemies in 1 round
 
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BigBone

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Time to Die (1966)



At a measly 210 IMDb votes, with Gabriel García Márquez AND Carlos Fuentes on the writing board, this melancholic western is one for movie aficionados, and thx God for the HD restoration, it's just an excellent Mexican western from Arturo Ripstein.

Juan Sayago returns to town after a long prison stint for murder, and the town is unwelcoming, with some having old grievances and others rather seeing him leaving alive, incl. a potential former love interest. The title pretty much sets a tone not unlike The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, but it's another American Western classic it reminded me of: High Noon. It's just turned ass backwards: here the returning ex-convict is our main guy, and Jorge Martínez de Hoyos plays an aging, hard yet sensitive antihero well.

With conflict inevitably coming, Time to Die more and more reminded me of the 40s / 50s noir westerns such as Pursued or Jhonny Guitar, with the inevitability of guns getting out of their holsters. But it's the slow building journey and everyone in the town being found out just how valuable they are that makes Time to Die special, never mind it being super low budget, which show on 'sets', if filming in a 60s rural Mexican town can be called that.

Marga López and Enrique Rocha also shine in this, and the supportive cast generally does a fine job. I'm not even sure it is a western per sé, and wouldn't classify it neither classic, nor modern/anti, I don't think Marquez and Fuentes were looking to respect genre rules. Western simply fits the best.

It's small scale in action and thrills and large on suspense, mood and humanity, I'm glad I came by this one and obviously RECOMMEND to y'all. I think it was even mentioned over here before? @Boggle ?
 
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Boogle McDougal

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Time to Die (1966)



At a measly 210 IMDb votes, with Gabriel García Márquez AND Carlos Fuentes on the writing board, this melancholic western is one for movie aficionados, and thx God for the HD restoration, it's just an excellent Mexican western from Arturo Ripstein.

Juan Sayago returns to town after a long prison stint for murder, and the town is unwelcoming, with some having old grievances and others rather seeing him leaving alive, incl. a potential former love interest. The title pretty much sets a tone not unlike The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, but it's another American Western classic it reminded me of: High Noon. It's just turned ass backwards: here the returning ex-convict is our main guy, and Jorge Martínez de Hoyos plays an aging, hard yet sensitive antihero well.

With conflict inevitably coming, Time to Die more and more reminded me of the 40s / 50s noir westerns such as Pursued or Jhonny Guitar, with the inevitability of guns getting out of their holsters. But it's the slow building journey and everyone in the town being found out just how valuable they are that makes Time to Die special, never mind it being super low budget, which show on 'sets', if filming in a 60s rural Mexican town can be called that.

Marga López and Enrique Rocha also shine in this, and the supportive cast generally does a fine job. I'm not even sure it is a western per sé, and wouldn't classify it neither classic, nor modern/anti, I don't think Marquez and Fuentes were looking to respect genre rules. Western simply fits the best.

It's small scale in action and thrills and large on suspense, mood and humanity, I'm glad I came by this one and obviously RECOMMEND to y'all. I think it was even mentioned over here before? @Boggle ?
People still post in this forum?

I saw this film last year. I don't think it's been shown much in the states before.

It is a bit like High Noon in a way. Though by comparison it makes High Noon seem like a cartoon. There are no heroes in Time To Die, just people with regrets.
 

BigBone

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People still post in this forum?

I saw this film last year. I don't think it's been shown much in the states before.

It is a bit like High Noon in a way. Though by comparison it makes High Noon seem like a cartoon. There are no heroes in Time To Die, just people with regrets.
Exactly, strange but definitely strong film, and with all the talent involved, surprisingly unknown.
 

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Vengeance is Mine (1979)



Man doodles and utters haikus at the back of a police car then being rushed through a mob of raging ppl. demanding his hanging - he's Akira Nishiguchi (named Iwao Enokizu in the movie), the real-life serial killler that shocked Japan in the 60s. Rather than giving an exact take on what motivated the perpetrator, Shôhei Imamura leaves that as much puzzling as perhaps it was for the man who committed it. As a student of Japan's underbelly after WWII, Imamura rather looks for the background and finds social outcasts, women selling their body for survival, ppl. gambling and drinking away, ex-convicts and neighborhoods not quite over WWII's devastation.

In flashbacks, we are presented situations from Enokizu's earlier life and during the deeds plus the manhunt, as close as it probably went down as possible, but from a distance without judgement or emotional manipulation. Cinéma vérité is just the right style for the subject, yet it's never anything but a brilliant study with surprising real-life twists. It's neither glorifying the perpetrator like In Cold Blood (the film) nor condemns him - it's all up to the viewer, who's presented a bunch of puzzle pieces. Like Enokizu's Christian background (that's where the biblical title comes from), his estranged wife and her relationship with his fater. The inn-keeper girl and her ex-convict mums who would be two of his victims.

Vengeance is Mine looks great and there are a couple of brilliant scenes, but the movie itself requires a lot of patience and observation. Ken Ogata is excellent as the enigmatic perpetrator who isn't quite sure about himself, what life and ppl. around expect from him, and what's it like to be 30-something in 60s Japan, transitioning from traditional social structures into modern ones. It's beautiful in it's honesty and brutal where the situation actually was, it''s hard to answer who's vengeance Enokizu's is delivering. Hardly underrated in Japan's rich film history, but definitely underappreciated for the western audiences. You guys should pick up the excellent Criterion BR disc. It's a classic.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Vengeance-Is-Mine-Blu-ray/103988/

 

Boogle McDougal

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Vengeance is Mine (1979)



Man doodles and utters haikus at the back of a police car then being rushed through a mob of raging ppl. demanding his hanging - he's Akira Nishiguchi (named Iwao Enokizu in the movie), the real-life serial killler that shocked Japan in the 60s. Rather than giving an exact take on what motivated the perpetrator, Shôhei Imamura leaves that as much puzzling as perhaps it was for the man who committed it. As a student of Japan's underbelly after WWII, Imamura rather looks for the background and finds social outcasts, women selling their body for survival, ppl. gambling and drinking away, ex-convicts and neighborhoods not quite over WWII's devastation.

In flashbacks, we are presented situations from Enokizu's earlier life and during the deeds plus the manhunt, as close as it probably went down as possible, but from a distance without judgement or emotional manipulation. Cinéma vérité is just the right style for the subject, yet it's never anything but a brilliant study with surprising real-life twists. It's neither glorifying the perpetrator like In Cold Blood (the film) nor condemns him - it's all up to the viewer, who's presented a bunch of puzzle pieces. Like Enokizu's Christian background (that's where the biblical title comes from), his estranged wife and her relationship with his fater. The inn-keeper girl and her ex-convict mums who would be two of his victims.

Vengeance is Mine looks great and there are a couple of brilliant scenes, but the movie itself requires a lot of patience and observation. Ken Ogata is excellent as the enigmatic perpetrator who isn't quite sure about himself, what life and ppl. around expect from him, and what's it like to be 30-something in 60s Japan, transitioning from traditional social structures into modern ones. It's beautiful in it's honesty and brutal where the situation actually was, it''s hard to answer who's vengeance Enokizu's is delivering. Hardly underrated in Japan's rich film history, but definitely underappreciated for the western audiences. You guys should pick up the excellent Criterion BR disc. It's a classic.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Vengeance-Is-Mine-Blu-ray/103988/

I bought this during the big Criterion sale. Haven't watched it yet. Nice writeup as always, you're my hero.
 
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BigBone

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I bought this during the big Criterion sale. Haven't watched it yet. Nice writeup as always, you're my hero.
You should definitely check it out. Also, Pigs and Battleships. I do have a couple of Imamura flicks to watch at some point, Insect Woman, Narayama and whatnot.

P. S. what are my hero power's I'm evidently unaware of?
 

Boogle McDougal

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You should definitely check it out. Also, Pigs and Battleships. I do have a couple of Imamura flicks to watch at some point, Insect Woman, Narayama and whatnot.

P. S. what are my hero power's I'm evidently unaware of?
Slightly above average intelligence and the ability to see and write.
 

BigBone

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Got my hands on this one with Yvette Mimieux (and Tommy Lee Jones if anyone cares), sounds fancy, seen it?

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Heh, this was fun. Explosions! Tits! Car chases! Rapey cops! Gun battles! JCJ follows the Roger Corman backcountry exploitation route with lots of handycam, a strong female lead who has to endure a lot of disgusting shit and Tommy Lee as the amoral supporting antihero. Jackson County Jail is very un-PC and perhaps a decade too long in the tooth in 1976, and yet it somehow feels spot on for this day and age when violence against women is on topic. Absolutely the low-budget B-movie you'd expect, and yet it's a little deeper than some, so it's worth catching on MGM HD or wherever you can pick it up.
 
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Was home sick one day and this was playing on Stars. Never heard of it. Early Spielberg

Fuck. I've just seen the title of this thread for the first time and this movie immediately popped into my mind. I never expected it to be mentioned on page 1.

This movie is pretty good, has a jaws vibe the way the suspense builds