~ NASA / SpaceX Crew Dragon mission delayed to Saturday 3:22 PM - Elon earns $775M at Tesla ~

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Bullshit.

Every time you show up in a politics thread, you're shilling for them.

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Shilling for whom? Dude, you're suffering from TDS. I'm not going to get mad at dumb shit for no reason. That's why I'm constantly disagreeing with a lot of people who I used to agree with. Shit, Trump gets into office, and people act like the Democrats are some kind of saints. Anyways, completely off topic, but people need to work. Freedom is about taking risks and always questioning the government! Musk, imo, isn't wrong here that the county is overstepping its authority, especially now that the stupid elected representative is getting paid big bucks from oil.
 
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Just saw this. That politician lady is going to try to put him in jail, no doubt about it. She keeps screaming about how the Latino community is hit especially hard by COVID, if he even has one Hispanic/Latino staff member he's fucked. :yep
Sounds like that stupid bitch is the one making it worse for Latinos. They're going to get laid off if they don't work! I don't understand what the end-game is here other than protecting her fossil fuel donors while playing this whole identity politics. Either Kyle or Jimmy Dore mentioned it that they will use identity politics against us. Here you have an obvious corrupt politician hiding behind identity politics in order to benefit her donors.

Again, you definitely know better than everyone else, but $1200 is fucking nothing for someone living in California. :sad
 

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Shilling for whom? Dude, you're suffering from TDS. I'm not going to get mad at dumb shit for no reason. That's why I'm constantly disagreeing with a lot of people who I used to agree with. Shit, Trump gets into office, and people act like the Democrats are some kind of saints. Anyways, completely off topic, but people need to work. Freedom is about taking risks and always questioning the government! Musk, imo, isn't wrong here that the county is overstepping its authority, especially now that the stupid elected representative is getting paid big bucks from oil.
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We're long overdue for fully automated labor. I'm all for fixing this problem with human labor by offering some UBI program paid for with automated labor tax. But we really should be moving to automated labor in these areas. It's too risky as a path for bioterror especially.
 

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Even among Elon's bold moves that saw him kickstart the EV revolution toward sustainable transport and shipping ppl. off planet by a private entity, this might be his boldest move yet that may backfire on many levels.

Yes he takes no salary from Tesla and still picked up work on site, willing to get arrested for it and I'm sure his legal team will argue that the administration and California both greenlighted resuming of factory operations. Yes he can provide detailed safety guidelines with photo evidence on site, based on months of Shanghai data where it was implemented in January (and now in Nevada and other Musk places), as well as worker accounts that Fremont is safe. Yes he can provide the list of administration and state supporters as well as the letter sent to all workers that you only need to return if you feel confident enough to work during Covid - and what do you know, most ppl. that were called back picked up work to make a living. Lastly, yes he can add that ever US car manufacturer can legally operate in the US except for Tesla, and can point out lobbying.

And he still broke country health rules for which he can be arrested and locked up. Not only him, despite putting the target on himself all others have violated Alameda stay-at-home orders and that can open all sorts of legal can of worms. His actions can alienate buyers, investors and political supporters, attract more shorters, but there are two more immediate and more severe threats:

1) even if he's taken Alameda to court and started production based on Cali governors orders, if the county successfully halts production via police force and this gets to court, a judge without much Elon sentiment could tie the re-opening to the case - which means Fremont could be shut down for much longer. They lose about $330.000.000 a week.

2) and if there's an outbreak in the facity, Elon simply loses credibility and might be liable for worker damages since he personally ordered Fremont to reopen against country orders. What if someone dies and sues Tesla? Then again: with a young workforce and safety measures that is unlikely, yet at 12k workers anyone who spend 18 hours off plant, it's not impossible. And then Musk will be in trouble, even if every other car CEO pushed for the same thing, but not using social media as a dividing weapon.

Coronavirus has most severely impacted the US due to lack of coherent and consistent response and an unprepared health system, and all of that is still an issue, so there's an argument for very slow reopening, and Alameda has the right to have the local say. We'll only know in a week or three if Detroit and other industrial re-openings caused new outbreaks or not, on the other hand, we're back to ground zero: until vaccine that is possible anyway, as a matter of fact: there will be round 2, round 3, possible round 4-5-6, and you can't just shut down for years and expect companies and ppl's job to survive.

Matter of fact: we tried and result in the US alone is dozens of millions of jobs lost, families losing medical insurance and access to proper food and services, and thousands of businesses folding. So it definitely not a black and white thing, tho all Elon Musk asks is to listen to Tesla's safety efforts that may or may not be enough, but that's more strict than most other companies have implemented. Having all that said: I'm not on his side having thousands breaking county orders, he should've waited for California to sort it out in-house.
 

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Shilling for whom? Dude, you're suffering from TDS. I'm not going to get mad at dumb shit for no reason. That's why I'm constantly disagreeing with a lot of people who I used to agree with. Shit, Trump gets into office, and people act like the Democrats are some kind of saints. Anyways, completely off topic, but people need to work. Freedom is about taking risks and always questioning the government! Musk, imo, isn't wrong here that the county is overstepping its authority, especially now that the stupid elected representative is getting paid big bucks from oil.
The only people who use the term "TDS" are Trumptards.

Keep being a Mexican scientist who is mindlessly shilling for the cunts who hate both Mexicans and science. :patsch

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Eliador went up in my estimation when I read he'd disabled reversing beeps from the wagons at his plants because the sound annoys him. :lol: I find those things incredibly irritating. I know a few folk got crushed etc but look that's on them. Even if he's a bit of a twat sometimes he's his own man and not afraid to flout the law and you have to respect that.
 
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Tesla Fremont Factory Can Finally Reopen...Next Week, Says Alameda County :lol:



Here's how to put facts into misleading context: Alameda acts as if they've just received Covid plans from Tesla (yesterday... as they anticipated it like a champ :lol:) when not only it's been available weeks ago when Elon wanted to open, Tesla has implemented Covid safety efforts in China in JANUARY.

That's two months before Alameda Country first realized Covid is a thing, and when they did in MARCH, Tesla told their plans how to operate safely rather than close shop. And Alameda acts as if they received Tesla Covid guidance NOW, well bull shit.

When a county with no experience can lecture and shut down a company with four months of Covid factory run in China, you know they'll bend the truth, especially if they only allow reopening after Tesla publicizes guidelines that were available for the County in APRIL. If Tesla's plans are good enough for Alameda NEXT WEEK, why wasn't it good enough two weeks ago when DHL and other services were operating without mass spread?

It's like when politicians in Chernobyl told nuclear engineers how to run their power plant cause they are obviously in the knowledge if they are appointed to give them orders, how's that logic not clear to Elon? :lol: And they act like Tesla isn't operating beyond county guidelines NOW with Tesla workers Tweeting how they're glad to back earning a buck and how things like even distancing on shuttle buses have been implemented, as well as other, detailed safety measures.

Which is why Elon won't take $50.000.000 off the product lines a for some made-up bureaucratic reason and end up running out of cash which is necessary, you know, if you wanna pay Alameda residents. And ppl. are mad at greedy Elon? Tesla was CLEARLY ready to handle Covid long before the county.
 
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All the while Alameda County somehow doesn't feel it necessary to arrest anyone in the Tesla plant so they are not concerned enough about Covid to follow through with their own strict health protection policy, lets take the time and travel back 20 yrs to see how pop culture pictured Mars landing in 2000:


Besides now making us all feel old (soz), what do you guys think, if Britney came out with this one today, would Elon drop Grimes and go out of his ways to bang her?
 
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Exiting news and good read on what could keep Tesla 5 more years ahead of competition. Once Fremont drama settles down its all going to be about batteries, batteries and more batteries as that's the key that unlocks the EV transition.

 

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Lots been happening since mid-week:
  • TESLA's almost certainly choses Austin, TX as Cybertruck Terafactory & looking to speed things up and start assembling Model Y this December, sounds impossibly ambitious tho the rate Giga Shanghai expands, not impossible
  • Texas (and 8 other states) is going out of its ways securing Tesla & its 20k jobs post-Covid, and post-Alameda Elon may not even require change of dinosaur dealership rule that prohibits direct sales as Texans can easily evade that by transferring payment out of state before Model whatever lands in front of their lawn, contact and virus-free
  • Tulsa, Oklahoma is also in the run but Electrek's reliable source says Austin is done deal and has huge engineering, land and workforce pool, favorable taxes and less restriction compared to Cali, also no Elon hate
  • Alameda sent Fremont police several times to the Tesla factory and guess what they found? Everything according to county health plans and more plus limited production per Alameda rules - how's that possible? Didn't CNN say Elon is forcing ppl. to die from Covid against county rules? :lol: Once again, reality bumfucks media perception and agenda
  • but get this SPACEX news: Cali denied funding to train hundreds of state workforce to operate Starlink on ground, openly admitting its retaliation at Elon with the only common thing between the carmaker and a NASA / US Military backed SpaceX is... guess what, or rather who? The stupid fucks! :lol: Now SpaceX and future Starlink jobs will likely move out of Cali that has millions of jobless...
  • Tesla battery day may split into an online event soon and one media, investors and influencers can attend perhaps months later. Everything points to a million-mile, (mostly or 100%) cobalt free, cheaper and faster to produce cells with more energy density that will put EVs to next level. China factory to benefit first tho lets see how the latest US trade war goes, not looking good :(
  • Giga Berlin's testing pile drivers on ground and German economy minister said the factory is not behind schedule. Berlin size also pointing to Terafactory that can produce batteries, solar panels, drive trains and everything Tesla does in 3 factories in the US right now (but Tera Texas will do all that under one roof)
  • Boring Company finished 2nd Las Vegas tunnel and now into building out Convention Center stations ahead of schedule despite Covid. Apparently the automated Tesla-driven transportation will happen at the year's end, tho the CES expo it's being built for will not (virus)
  • NASA has presented the Model X that will ferry Crew Dragon Demo Mission astronauts Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley to launch pad. As all critical personnel in mandatory quarantine and Falcon 9 booster B1058 at NASA HQ after successfully tested in McGregor, Texas, everything looks ready for liftoff 11 days from now
  • next Starlink mission comes NET Sunday morning and its trusted B1051 booster will attempt a record 5th landing. BTW, SpaceX is ready to offer Starlink rideshare meaning whatever payload space is left once SpaceX sats are installed, customers can get on the cheap
  • There's a SpaceX ISS docking simulator if ur into that sort of thing:
https://iss-sim.spacex.com/
 
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Lots been happening since mid-week:
  • TESLA's almost certainly choses Austin, TX as Cybertruck Terafactory & looking to speed things up and start assembling Model Y this December, sounds impossibly ambitious tho the rate Giga Shanghai expands, not impossible
I've read that Austin is quickly becoming a shithole like San Francisco since they're getting a lot of Silicon Valley jobs down there.
 

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I've read that Austin is quickly becoming a shithole like San Francisco since they're getting a lot of Silicon Valley jobs down there.
Some say it IS New Silicon Valley, and many migrate from the Bay Area cause of lower taxes, fewer regulations, better air quality and less crowded spaces. I guess that brings ups as well as downs. But isn't Austin like the Vienna of America, best capital to live or shit like that?
 
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Some say it IS New Silicon Valley, and many migrate from the Bay Area cause of lower taxes, fewer regulations, better air quality and less crowded spaces. I guess that brings ups as well as downs. But isn't Austin like the Vienna of America, best capital to live or shit like that?
I think Bethesda and BioWare have offices down there, at least I think I remember reading that or hearing. Kind of funny since it's like an island surrounded by the rest of that rural deep-red. I'd imagine all those soyboys are going to get triggered at some point. Did not know it was rated so high, though. Honestly, with the ability to telecommute, I'd imagine it's no longer worth it to have everyone squished together in San Francisco, etc. but that's just me.
 

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I think Bethesda and BioWare have offices down there, at least I think I remember reading that or hearing. Kind of funny since it's like an island surrounded by the rest of that rural deep-red. I'd imagine all those soyboys are going to get triggered at some point. Did not know it was rated so high, though. Honestly, with the ability to telecommute, I'd imagine it's no longer worth it to have everyone squished together in San Francisco, etc. but that's just me.
Silicon Valley was a great place for the 90s tech boom but their rate of advancement has since been put to shame by Shanghai, Shenzhen etc. From where the Chinese came and where they are compared to US or Japanese tech, their rate of development is remarkable, and if the US wants to keep up, it needs new tech hub that's willing to put in much more effort in, with fare fewer regulations. California and Silicon Valley served their purpose, and more and more are fed up with the extra expanses and regulations today, plus many other states actually offer better deals, opportunities and talent.

Colorado comes to mind, at one point Tesla considered putting a Giga there jut Texas is so much bigger at everything - work force, engineers, wind and solar panel farms etc., and a Texas Cybertruck will likely sell like hotcakes, it's a logical choice. America is on the move BTW, Trump is clearly picking up battles to bring production and innovation back to America and end the era of outsourcing, which is commendable. But taking down free market giants like Huawei and Chinese entities without presenting evidence of wrongdoing and severing decades long of US-Chinese business ties could lead to catastrophe, not in small part in more jobs lost and prices hiking soon.

Lets face it: Orange Man does not believe in human influence on climate change, permafrost melting or Cali, Brasil & Australia burning, so he's betting on a fossil future which is outdated. He also introduced Space Force with Mach 5 and faster weapons of mass destruction and took away funding from medical research and CDC, which is why US Covid death toll eclipsed Vietnam and 9/11 combined. You can shoot some sheep shagging asshole but you can't nuke a virus, and more and more of this shit will hit the world. Quite ironic that an authoritarian state like China with concentration camps, mass surveillance systems, lack of free speech and very slow, complicated decision making mechanism is heading toward a more sustainable and green future and soon Tesla Shanghai might actually outsell US cause he has the China's support but not California's (or Texas for that matter, see dealership issues), and he has more Chinese fans (including regulators) than the mostly haters in America. They also handled Covid far better (after they indeed fuck it up), and opened factories far sooner.

I think technology war will dominate this decade and riding Elon's innovations is a safe bet if you wanna survive into the next one financially (providing you invest). It's a big question how Tesla's Texas venture will be received and how many the US populace, sticking to US's golden days of gas guzzling cars will be willing to participate in the change toward sustainablility, which is coming either way. But even with all the oil and dealership lobby and ICE efforts in Texas, they are actually investing more in solar renewables than California. That's a good start to became the New Silicon Valley, and Tesla has a place in their plans.
 
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