Netflix going full nonce ...

May 25, 2013
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Risque subject matter for sure but without having seen it who knows if it's really a creepy pedo show or simply a shock piece designed to highlight and inform how our society hypersexualizes underage girls in general.

How is this different to the TV show Dance Moms which has a bunch of heavily made up under age girls in skimpy outfits dancing for peoples entertainment?

Automatic response for many these days is to be outraged at a drop of a hat but unless you've actually watched the film you can't really make any assumptions as to the nature of the film beyond that it's dealing with an uncomfortable subject matter and just because we don't like something doesn't mean we should just try and stick out heads in the sand and pretend nasty shit doesn't happen.
 
May 17, 2013
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Risque subject matter for sure but without having seen it who knows if it's really a creepy pedo show or simply a shock piece designed to highlight and inform how our society hypersexualizes underage girls in general.

How is this different to the TV show Dance Moms which has a bunch of heavily made up under age girls in skimpy outfits dancing for peoples entertainment?

Automatic response for many these days is to be outraged at a drop of a hat but unless you've actually watched the film you can't really make any assumptions as to the nature of the film beyond that it's dealing with an uncomfortable subject matter and just because we don't like something doesn't mean we should just try and stick out heads in the sand and pretend nasty shit doesn't happen.

Yep, you make some good points. Little girl's beauty pageants are BS too in my opinion. Moms take their little girls, do the poofy hairdo, apply tons of makeup, false eyelashes, skimpy outfits totally unbefitting for a child that age and allow them to prance across a stage for other adults to "judge" their beauty.

Or let's go with something athletic and a legit sport---------"Women's Gymnastics"----who's participants are more often than not far from being women in any sense of the word. They are mostly pre-teen to teenage girls doing very flexible moves in skimpy outfits and putting themselves in positions an OBGYN Dr. wouldn't put them in to do a pelvic exam.
 

Jack

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The way that TV shows have started to remove the taboo from sexuality, violence, suicide and other things of that nature is worrying, especially so when it involves kids. What was so wrong with the systems that we had in place before, where certain subjects weren't open to massive exposure? When you look at the incredibly damaging effect of TV shows like '13 Reasons Why', it highlights how these shows don't just harmlessly raise an issue without there being an undeniable negative consequence from it. The whole idea seems to be that talking about sexuality, suicide and things of that nature results in a more open and therefore better society, but where is the evidence for that? The only evidence seems to point in the other direction, that many children are being fucked up due to an overexposure of things which were once considered taboo subjects.

Kids shouldn't have all these seeds planted in them. CBBC recently showed a lesbian kiss on kids TV...why? What's the potential gain to be had there? It's not like the modern generation were going to grow up resentful of gay people, that battle has been won for a long time, so what's the reason for it? People will say it's good to normalise homosexuality but whilst I see that argument, it's yet another case of kids being overloaded with thoughts that should be allowed to develop naturally. Kids TV shouldn't have any sort of sexuality involved, it's not just an issue against lesbians, there's no benefit to this constant barrage of sexualisation of all aspects of society.

Let kids be kids, let them enjoy the ignorance of youth and develop their own minds without ramming these subjects into them from young ages. We aren't creating a better society for it, some of the numbers around things like transgender conversion, suicide rates etc. are deeply worrying, it's far higher than what we would have if society hadn't become so open. Child suicide rates rose by 56% in America from 2007 to 2017, and in the UK child suicide rose by 11.8% from 2018 to 2019, but these number will continue to rise. Nothing has fundamentally changed for the lives of kids, expect they're now being bombarded from all angles about deep, divisive, controversial subjects without being able to develop innocently.
 
May 25, 2013
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The way that TV shows have started to remove the taboo from sexuality, violence, suicide and other things of that nature is worrying, especially so when it involves kids. What was so wrong with the systems that we had in place before, where certain subjects weren't open to massive exposure? When you look at the incredibly damaging effect of TV shows like '13 Reasons Why', it highlights how these shows don't just harmlessly raise an issue without there being an undeniable negative consequence from it. The whole idea seems to be that talking about sexuality, suicide and things of that nature results in a more open and therefore better society, but where is the evidence for that? The only evidence seems to point in the other direction, that many children are being fucked up due to an overexposure of things which were once considered taboo subjects.

Kids shouldn't have all these seeds planted in them. CBBC recently showed a lesbian kiss on kids TV...why? What's the potential gain to be had there? It's not like the modern generation were going to grow up resentful of gay people, that battle has been won for a long time, so what's the reason for it? People will say it's good to normalise homosexuality but whilst I see that argument, it's yet another case of kids being overloaded with thoughts that should be allowed to develop naturally. Kids TV shouldn't have any sort of sexuality involved, it's not just an issue against lesbians, there's no benefit to this constant barrage of sexualisation of all aspects of society.

Let kids be kids, let them enjoy the ignorance of youth and develop their own minds without ramming these subjects into them from young ages. We aren't creating a better society for it, some of the numbers around things like transgender conversion, suicide rates etc. are deeply worrying, it's far higher than what we would have if society hadn't become so open. Child suicide rates rose by 56% in America from 2007 to 2017, and in the UK child suicide rose by 11.8% from 2018 to 2019, but these number will continue to rise. Nothing has fundamentally changed for the lives of kids, expect they're now being bombarded from all angles about deep, divisive, controversial subjects without being able to develop innocently.
I think you have a short memory or a rose tinted view of the past. Remember the 1995 film Kids which was another coming to age drama which was similarly provocative and controversial, then you had films like the Virgin Suicides which had it's studio so worried by the subject matter it refused to promote it giving it a very limited release to ensure there was no backlash.

When I think back to what I watched in the 90's I think TV especially is far more conservative in many ways now than it was before. There's no way you could get away with some of the things I used to see on channel 4 after the water shed.

These subject matters being explored in film are nothing new, you can go even further back to 1978's Pretty Baby which depicted child prostitution and images of an underage Brooke Shields in provocative and even nude scenes or even 1976's Taxi Driver which caused controversy for having a 12 year old Jodi Foster play a child prostitute.