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@Haggis just raised a bit of a brilliant little film history point

is Taxi Driver PROMOTING teen prostitution?

Yeah,they dont have Jodie actually turning tricks but she is dressed and acts like a prostitute which is as far as they can be expected to go..............just like the dancing in Cuties was as far as they might reasonably go to frame the subject............

Is Jodie somehow less offensive because she isnt 'dancing'?

Why is the dancing so much worse ?

Was Jodie exploited?

Should the film be banned?

Is it 'catering to pedos'?
Movie should be banned for having Harvey Keitel play a Puerto Rican pimp in it.
 
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It's a long assed thread, started by a poster who I have on my ignored list, so I have 17 pages to trawl through to find that. :thumbsup



To a certain extent, sure.

A lot of people read an article about something, from their favourite hysterical partisan outlet, and they just lift their stance directly from that without questioning or investigating any further.



Sure.

You could make a similar argument for Requiem for a Dream. Exploitative as fuck. Bleak, depressing, for many people, traumatic. You could call a film like that morally wrong. But I finished the movie, and thought "okay, so don't do heroin or any opiates. Not even once." :lol:

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Fair enough not reading through, I was just catching you up to speed to save us going over old ground.

The promotional material and clips of this film, (available in this thread), are enough to form an opinion of the morality of the production imo. So it's not just twitter hype.

Requiem for a dream has bleak subject matter, but it's not the subject matter of this film that's the issue. The film actually has young children flashing, twerking, and all manner of suggestive and sexual things.


It's supposedly against the sexualisation of kids, yet it sexualises them repeatedly, and does this in a fairly positive, or at least consequence free way.
 
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@Bob Weaver

@Haggis just raised a bit of a brilliant little film history point

is Taxi Driver PROMOTING teen prostitution?

Yeah,they dont have Jodie actually turning tricks but she is dressed and acts like a prostitute which is as far as they can be expected to go..............just like the dancing in Cuties was as far as they might reasonably go to frame the subject............

Is Jodie somehow less offensive because she isnt 'dancing'?

Why is the dancing so much worse ?

Was Jodie exploited?

Should the film be banned?

Is it 'catering to pedos'?
Haven't seen it in a long time. (about 15 years or so), so it's hard for me to say.


I feel like it wasn't leering at her the way Cuties does in the clips I've seen, and it appears to have been more sensitively and responsibly handled. That could be total shit though, my memory is garbage.

I haven't seen Cuties, but from the descriptions, it also appears the child characters enjoy their experiences, and suffer no long term consequences for them. That is not the case in taxi driver.
 

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Fair enough not reading through, I was just catching you up to speed to save us going over old ground.

The promotional material and clips of this film, (available in this thread), are enough to form an opinion of the morality of the production imo. So it's not just twitter hype.

Requiem for a dream has bleak subject matter, but it's not the subject matter of this film that's the issue. The film actually has young children flashing, twerking, and all manner of suggestive and sexual things.


It's supposedly against the sexualisation of kids, yet it sexualises them repeatedly, and does this in a fairly positive, or at least consequence free way.
I don't know anything about this film and don't have any intention of watching it myself, so I can't come down strong on one side or the other. I have been reading a couple of WaPo articles about it, they have a few opinion pieces about it, on both sides of the fence.

Personally, I would chalk it up to French weirdness more than a deliberate attempt to normalise pedophilia. The French have always gone nuts for stories about inappropriately young girls discovering their sexuality, for some reason.

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Haven't seen it in a long time. (about 15 years or so), so it's hard for me to say.


I feel like it wasn't leering at her the way Cuties does in the clips I've seen, and it appears to have been more sensitively and responsibly handled. That could be total shit though, my memory is garbage.

I haven't seen Cuties, but from the descriptions, it also appears the child characters enjoy their experiences, and suffer no long term consequences for them. That is not the case in taxi driver.
yeah,Im going to go and say maybe its because 15 years ago we were not told every girl is a victim and we must look at every youngster in media through the eyes of a pedo
 
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fucks sake,I forgot Blue Lagoon :lol:


I think A LOT of this has t do with the same 'victim' mentality thats infected a lot of the left

girls cant be gilrs or IN ANY WAY INTERESTED in sex or even naturally developing like all people do without being somehow 'victims' in todays world

either they are 'exploited' or they are 'pedo bait' and THATS the sick bit.........................we are now ALL forced to look at stuff AS IF WE WERE THE FUCKING PEDOS

its also oddly enough a return to more puritanical 'values' where it seems a bit of a double standard might exist......................girls CANT be sexually developing or interested in it................but I suspect the same attitude doesnt now,like it didnt then,exist for boys......................for THEM its 'natural'

plus,of course,libtards are all pedos so of course its their fault we have to ALL look at a kid in a bathing suit through the eyes of a fucking kiddie fiddler

jesus man,2020 is something..............
Of course girls can be, and are interested in sex.

Adults though need to be responsible in how they react to and portray that in young children however.

Getting children to dance suggestively, in a film that the young girls are can't legally see, serves no purpose in promoting a healthy sexual development in girls.
 

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I don't know anything about this film and don't have any intention of watching it myself, so I can't come down strong on one side or the other. I have been reading a couple of WaPo articles about it, they have a few opinion pieces about it, on both sides of the fence.

Personally, I would chalk it up to French weirdness more than a deliberate attempt to normalise pedophilia. The French have always gone nuts for stories about inappropriately young girls discovering their sexuality, for some reason.

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Im not even sure its 'inappropriately young'

thats the killer bit here

12 year old kids are interested in sex and do all sorts of 'sexual' shit when adults are not looking

thats just life

12 is jr high age here and I remember my jr high years.......................seems like a lot of folks want to sanitize their own,in retrospect..............


not saying we need to make fucking ACTUAL kiddie porn but ffs,this aint it............

try raising a 12 year old daughter and you will be fucking AMAZED at the shit you have to tell them they cant have or wear..................

they are not victims by definition

they are humans

and thats how humans are
 

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Of course girls can be, and are interested in sex.

Adults though need to be responsible in how they react to and portray that in young children however.

Getting children to dance suggestively, in a film that the young girls are can't legally see, serves no purpose in promoting a healthy sexual development in girls.
OR one could argue its not intended for young girls and their development but,rather,to paint a picture of a certain segment of reality..............that people find uncomfortable
 
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I don't know anything about this film and don't have any intention of watching it myself, so I can't come down strong on one side or the other. I have been reading a couple of WaPo articles about it, they have a few opinion pieces about it, on both sides of the fence.

Personally, I would chalk it up to French weirdness more than a deliberate attempt to normalise pedophilia. The French have always gone nuts for stories about inappropriately young girls discovering their sexuality, for some reason.

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The French have some unusual cultural attitudes to children and sex.


I posted some stuff about it earlier. (a sizeable portion believed children should be free to have sex with adults, which in practice really means paedophiles are free to have sex with children).

So, you couple that with their usual sexual permisivness and love of challenging art, and the male dominance in what art gets commissioned, and you gets lots of films about beautiful young girls empowering themselves by having sex with old French men.
 
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I'll never understand why the world has pushed so far on this issue, seemingly without any regard for the consequences. Why has society moved from being wholesome and family oriented, to this sort of degeneracy?
"Wholesome and family oriented" :lol:

Look at these clean-cut wholesome kids, before the internet turned them into total cunts!


Remember when kids could go watch the marches on Washington, because they didn't feature offensive, inappropriate clothing items like pink pussy hats?



Or the days when people respected each other, and Britain hadn't been ruined by political correctness and people could just be themselves?



"Wholesome and family oriented".

Nothing says "Wholesome and family oriented" like a society where the law says that it is impossible for a man to rape his wife.

That's also why there was an epidemic of child abuse at borstals and children's homes, right? Why Jimmy Saville could pretty much openly fuck kids for decades, and nobody gave a shit? Led Zeppelin and Bowie were both fucking 14 year olds on the regular and not even trying to disguise it, nobody cared. You think that shit flies now?

Jack, if you're going to say that society today is MORE accepting of pedophilia and child sexual abuse than it was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, you are just flat out wrong. Just flat wrong.

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I don't know anything about this film and don't have any intention of watching it myself, so I can't come down strong on one side or the other. I have been reading a couple of WaPo articles about it, they have a few opinion pieces about it, on both sides of the fence.

Personally, I would chalk it up to French weirdness more than a deliberate attempt to normalise pedophilia. The French have always gone nuts for stories about inappropriately young girls discovering their sexuality, for some reason.

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It's because of filet mignon. If they didn't have filet mignon none of this would have happened.
 
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yeah,Im going to go and say maybe its because 15 years ago we were not told every girl is a victim and we must look at every youngster in media through the eyes of a pedo
I'm not overly concerned about the viewpoints of paedophiles in this instance. Yes this is wank fodder for them, but they are sick criminals who need medical or criminal intervention.

Films like these don't help, but I don't believe they cause paedophilia.


I'm more concerned about encouraging early and unhealthy sexual behaviour in young girls.

This is already a lot of pressure on children and adolescents regarding this. Are we really helping our children by promoting them as sexual objects at such a young age?

What benefit is this to their self esteem or to their ability to form healthy, respectful relationships in later life.
 

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It really is. You often hear this awful rebuttal such as "pUnK mUsIc WaS cOnSidErEd DaNgErOuS!" but the reality is, that was in the 1970s and we're talking about changes to the values and principles of our societies, it's not going to be the case that once people start listening to the Sex Pistol, anarchy comes the week after. Did people expect that change to come overnight? Probably, but that's a ridiculous mentality, these changes are not overnight, they're the start of a slippery slope and that lowering of our standards. The more we push the boundaries of what is acceptable, the less virtuous our society becomes.

I don't think this is a byproduct of having an more inclusive society either. I think you can be both accepting of things like homosexuality whilst still maintaining a virtuous, respectful society, but any hope of that has been lost in this mass free for all which gives credit to the people who push the boundaries the most.
When exactly was your society peak virtuous, in your opinion, Jack?

Give us a one-decade span.

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I'm not overly concerned about the viewpoints of paedophiles in this instance. Yes this is wank fodder for them, but they are sick criminals who need medical or criminal intervention.

Films like these don't help, but I don't believe they cause paedophilia.


I'm more concerned about encouraging early and unhealthy sexual behaviour in young girls.

This is already a lot of pressure on children and adolescents regarding this. Are we really helping our children by promoting them as sexual objects at such a young age?

What benefit is this to their self esteem or to their ability to form healthy, respectful relationships in later life.
but its not promoting this

its a film for ADULTS

just like taxi driver
 
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thats the other side of all this

folks are more upset over the MOVIE about this shit than the REALITY going on around them
No, I don't think they are.


People are obviously against paedophiles, sex trafficking, or child pornography. It's taken as a given that you don't approve, it doesn't really require a discussion.

We also have laws against it and most of us will Hever encounter it.

This is a movie on a major streaming service however. Its going to come to the attention of more people.

It also carries the implicit approval of the creators, distributors, and standards boards. It therefore requires some discussion on if its appropriate in the way some dark net snuff flick wouldn't.
 
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No, I don't think they are.


People are obviously against paedophiles, sex trafficking, or child pornography. It's taken as a given that you don't approve, it doesn't really require a discussion.

We also have laws against it and most of us will Hever encounter it.

This is a movie on a major streaming service however. Its going to come to the attention of more people.

It also carries the implicit approval of the creators, distributors, and standards boards. It therefore requires some discussion on if its appropriate in the way some dark net snuff flick wouldn't.
ok


Im not worried its a sign of the appocalypse

if Taxi Driver and Dog Day Afternoon didnt end the world,we should be OK after this....................