Netflix: The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann - March 15th 2019

Are the McCanns involved in the disappearance?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 68.4%
  • No

    Votes: 12 31.6%

  • Total voters
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May 16, 2013
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Yeah no doubt the cadavar dog raises some questions . But at the end of the day it’s a dog . Can we be certain .
 

mandela

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They did check that out yes, and there had never been a death in the apartment. The blood thing I agree on, but what makes it odd is that the blood dog alerted in the exact same spots as the cadaver dog in two separate inspections. Could be a coincidence, but it's odd.
Well, that's something, I guess.

What is the dog smelling, exactly? You'd think there'd be a way to verify it through science, Shirley.

I find Gerry's 30 min absence weird too. Has this time been accounted for?
 
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Well, that's something, I guess.

What is the dog smelling, exactly? You'd think there'd be a way to verify it through science, Shirley.

I find Gerry's 30 min absence weird too. Has this time been accounted for?
Cadaver dogs are smelling for chemicals released by the body as it begins to break down. But it can be very recent death. Interesting article here...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crime-scene-canines-835047.html

Not sure about the 30 minute thing. I know that one of their friends (Matthew Oldfield) changed their statement from being that they listened at the door when they went to check on the kids to going in, but they couldn't be sure if she was still there or not. He claimed to have gone to check at 9:30, but a member of the hotel staff who was with the table from 9:30 said that nobody left in the half hour she was sat with them.

Regardless of what happened to Madeline, I reckon it's clear as day that they checked on their kids a lot less than they are claiming.
 

mandela

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Cadaver dogs are smelling for chemicals released by the body as it begins to break down. But it can be very recent death. Interesting article here...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crime-scene-canines-835047.html

Not sure about the 30 minute thing. I know that one of their friends (Matthew Oldfield) changed their statement from being that they listened at the door when they went to check on the kids to going in, but they couldn't be sure if she was still there or not. He claimed to have gone to check at 9:30, but a member of the hotel staff who was with the table from 9:30 said that nobody left in the half hour she was sat with them.

Regardless of what happened to Madeline, I reckon it's clear as day that they checked on their kids a lot less than they are claiming.
There's some seriously weird shit, man.

But, on the surface there's probably a load of shady shit going on every day and in all these cases but it's only actually shady in the absence of culprit and explanation.

That make sense?

Like, if we hear tonight it was some random guy who done it, he comes forward and returns Maddie safely to her parents and that's that. The McCann's still deleted their phone logs, couldn't explain their entire whereabouts on the night, the inconsistencies in the Tapas groups stories...all that shit is still shady but now proven unrelated.
 
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There's some seriously weird shit, man.

But, on the surface there's probably a load of shady shit going on every day and in all these cases but it's only actually shady in the absence of culprit and explanation.

That make sense?

Like, if we hear tonight it was some random guy who done it, he comes forward and returns Maddie safely to her parents and that's that. The McCann's still deleted their phone logs, couldn't explain their entire whereabouts on the night, the inconsistencies in the Tapas groups stories...all that shit is still shady but now proven unrelated.
Aye for sure. I don't pretend to know the truth, but I am suspicious of them and am not saying they're innocent. I thought they were definitely guilty when the cadaver dog alerting in their rental car thing came up too, but when I found out that rental car was hired 24 days after she vanished that changed things and my position became more one of "I don't know, but they acted shady and I don't trust them". :lol:
 
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mandela

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Aye for sure. I don't pretend to know the truth, but I am suspicious of them and am not saying they're innocent. I thought they were definitely guilty when the cadaver dog alerting in their rental car thing came up too, but when I found out that rental car was hired 24 days after she vanished that changed things and my position became more one of "I don't know, but they acted shady and I don't trust them". :lol:
Good point on the dogs, actually.

I think, given the spotlight, we can rule out that the parents had hidden and then moved the body 24 days after she went missing, right? So that entirely compromises the dogs 'signals' in the house, surely?

So, unless you believe they McCann's did move the body at that much later date, after successfully hiding it for that entire time, then the dogs must be disregarded as unreliable.

...unless there had been another dead body in the boot of that car at some point, which is another stretch.


I think the the only certainty in this case is that the McCann's are weird as fuck.
 
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Davvers

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Why the rush to discredit the dog evidence? They are highly trained animals. They are trained to sniff for drugs, explosives, blood, cadaver across multiple disciplines. The police and military don't use them for a laugh to entertain themselves. Dog noses can identify 2,000,000 different smells y'know. Mandy, if you listened to the podcast you'd know that scientific studies put sniffer dog reliability at between 90-100%. They can be wrong and mistakenly identify, but it is rare. Therefore it is never treated as an exact science. In this case, two dogs would have had to have been wrong on 12 separate occasions to accidentally paint a quite logical picture of a corpse being placed in the wardrobe temporarily while the apartment was cleaned, then through the garden, then in the hire car at a later date. The dogs both sniffed 10 different cars in a car park (dog handler had no prior knowledge of the scene) and both found scents in the McCanns hire car and none in the others. Again, just coincidence? You have to be a complete dreamer to believe that IMO. Mandy you asked earlier if anyone else died in the apartment. The police checked the hotel, hospital and fire department records and there were no known accidents in that room.
 

DB Cooper

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I am watching this show with interest but carefully avoiding reading this thread because I am only up to episode 4.
 
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Good point on the dogs, actually.

I think, given the spotlight, we can rule out that the parents had hidden and then moved the body 24 days after she went missing, right? So that entirely compromises the dogs 'signals' in the house, surely?
Not necessarily. The rental car could have had someone die in it at another time. It could also be that they put items from the apartment or of Madeline's in the car that then left the scent. It's pure conjecture, but what it does do is make the alert in the car so wide open to all manner of explanations that it's rendered irrelevant to me. I don't believe for a moment that they hid the body and then during the height of the international attention with media and police everywhere...moved it with their rental car.

But if they did not know about cadaver dogs (which you'd imagine they didn't) then any of Madeline's clothes or other things that had the scent that were put in the car could lead to it. It weakens the dog evidence, but it does not discount it.

I think the the only certainty in this case is that the McCann's are weird as fuck.
Yeah for sure. And shit parents, don't forget that. Really shitty parents.
 
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Dazl1212

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I have moved away from the McCanns being involved.
I lean toward Maddie being taken.
I now think I understand the McCanns cold demeanor was being directed at the media and coming across really badly to the viewing public.

I just cant get my head around the fact they left the roadside entrance unlocked.
I also cant understand how the twins slept through all the commotion without the parents admitting they gave them something to knock them out.

The McCanns are in no way clean in all this and are hiding elements of what happened that night but do I think Maddie died at the hands of Gerry and/or Kate? Not anymore...
I'm only 3 episodes in and before I was convinced the McCanns had something to do with it. Now I feel more like they were trying to cover up their negligence and were in shock.
 
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Not necessarily. The rental car could have had someone die in it at another time. It could also be that they put items from the apartment or of Madeline's in the car that then left the scent. It's pure conjecture, but what it does do is make the alert in the car so wide open to all manner of explanations that it's rendered irrelevant to me. I don't believe for a moment that they hid the body and then during the height of the international attention with media and police everywhere...moved it with their rental car.

But if they did not know about cadaver dogs (which you'd imagine they didn't) then any of Madeline's clothes or other things that had the scent that were put in the car could lead to it. It weakens the dog evidence, but it does not discount it.



Yeah for sure. And shit parents, don't forget that. Really shitty parents.
You'd have thought that a consultant medic (Gerry) and a GP (Kate) with massive brains would have known better than to leave their three children alone in a foreign country while they went out and got bollocksed and stuffed their faces full of food with all their friends.

I can't help thinking they got what they deserved, but that would be ruthless and heartless.
 
I'm only 3 episodes in and before I was convinced the McCanns had something to do with it. Now I feel more like they were trying to cover up their negligence and were in shock.
The Netflix documentary took me from about 75/25 involved to 51/49 not involved.
The Maddie podcast is taking back to involved again.

There is something fishy going on somewhere along the line here whatever happened...
 
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Dazl1212

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The Netflix documentary took me from about 75/25 involved to 51/49 not involved.
The Maddie podcast is taking back to involved again.

There is something fishy going on somewhere along the line here whatever happened...
It is odd and as I said I havent seen the whole thing yet.

I would not leave a 3 year old unattended regardless, but to leave the door unlocked is madness. What if she had woke up and let herself out would be my first worry, then I am a pretty paranoid person anyway.

If they are involved I would guess it would be a case of them telling someone they were going to leave the kids unattended and the door open between such and such a time.
 
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mandela

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Not necessarily. The rental car could have had someone die in it at another time. It could also be that they put items from the apartment or of Madeline's in the car that then left the scent. It's pure conjecture, but what it does do is make the alert in the car so wide open to all manner of explanations that it's rendered irrelevant to me. I don't believe for a moment that they hid the body and then during the height of the international attention with media and police everywhere...moved it with their rental car.

But if they did not know about cadaver dogs (which you'd imagine they didn't) then any of Madeline's clothes or other things that had the scent that were put in the car could lead to it. It weakens the dog evidence, but it does not discount it.



Yeah for sure. And shit parents, don't forget that. Really shitty parents.
Aye, I did mention the possibility of there being a body in the trunk previously but that'd be a bit of a stretch.

I never thought about the possibility of clothes or artefacts of Maddie being in the car and triggering them though. I'm naw sure how plausible that is either as the dog only seemed to alert at one specific area of the house. If even that could alert them surely it would have alerted at other things/places with such an insignificant transfer...like Kate or Gerry's clothes or summin? We'd also then need to assume that the mccans stripped her before disposing of her which would be weird too...we're getting right into Joe E conspiracy theory territory at this point.


Was the whole group leaving their kids alone? MCanns just the unlucky ones? Not a defence, just strange the other parents ain't as criticized for doing exactly the same thing.
 
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mandela

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Why the rush to discredit the dog evidence? They are highly trained animals. They are trained to sniff for drugs, explosives, blood, cadaver across multiple disciplines. The police and military don't use them for a laugh to entertain themselves. Dog noses can identify 2,000,000 different smells y'know. Mandy, if you listened to the podcast you'd know that scientific studies put sniffer dog reliability at between 90-100%. They can be wrong and mistakenly identify, but it is rare. Therefore it is never treated as an exact science. In this case, two dogs would have had to have been wrong on 12 separate occasions to accidentally paint a quite logical picture of a corpse being placed in the wardrobe temporarily while the apartment was cleaned, then through the garden, then in the hire car at a later date. The dogs both sniffed 10 different cars in a car park (dog handler had no prior knowledge of the scene) and both found scents in the McCanns hire car and none in the others. Again, just coincidence? You have to be a complete dreamer to believe that IMO. Mandy you asked earlier if anyone else died in the apartment. The police checked the hotel, hospital and fire department records and there were no known accidents in that room.
I'm in no rush to do anything...you seem to be rushing to put significant weight on these dogs.

IF you credit the dogs then you are absolutely committing to the theory that the McCann's hid the corpse for at least 24 days and then moved it. Unless the dogs could pick up something from a transfer of clothes which would then assert, as above, that the McCann's stripped their daughter before disposing of her but decided to just keep the clothes for some reason.

I don't think either of those theories are plausible in the slightest, for the reasons i posted previously. There was too much attention on them to move the body and if the dogs could pick up something from a simple clothes transfer then they'd have picked it up from far more places than the boot of the car.

So no, not in a rush to dismiss anything...
 

Davvers

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The transfer of 'something' on clothes? You call the cadaver from a corpse 'something'? Something that wasn't in any of the other apartments or cars in the car park, weeks after a child has gone missing. I'm not sure you really appreciate how skilled and highly trained these two dogs are. The Met charge £530 per day for crime scenes across the world to use them. The FBI are frequent clients of Eddie and Keela. And I can tell you are in no rush about it, twelve years on and you still think she vanished without explanation and think trained police dogs bark when they sniff a dropped ice cream. Your ignorance is appalling, you should really clue yourself up on the facts, man.
 

mandela

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The transfer of 'something' on clothes? You call the cadaver from a corpse 'something'? Something that wasn't in any of the other apartments or cars in the car park, weeks after a child has gone missing. I'm not sure you really appreciate how skilled and highly trained these two dogs are. The Met charge £530 per day for crime scenes across the world to use them. The FBI are frequent clients of Eddie and Keela. And I can tell you are in no rush about it, twelve years on and you still think she vanished without explanation and think trained police dogs bark when they sniff a dropped ice cream. Your ignorance is appalling, you should really clue yourself up on the facts, man.
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