Netflix: The Irishman - November 27th 2019

Presuming Ed

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Will be a load of over-stylised guff and now hack camera tricks and narrative devices, i shouldn't wonder. Ill still watch it mind.

Btw was Black Mass Scorsese? I really didn't enjoy that in the slightest.
 
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Will be a load of over-stylised guff and now hack camera tricks and narrative devices, i shouldn't wonder. Ill still watch it mind.

Btw was Black Mass Scorsese? I really didn't enjoy that in the slightest.
No that was Scott Cooper.

I didn't rate it either.

His next movie Hostiles is a bit better. And there's a new trailer for Antlers, which looks interesting.
 
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This being on Netflix kinda cheapens it a bit for me. Don't know but their films always feel like direct to dvd shit for me despite some of them getting good reviews, big name actors and budgets. I'm still pissed off they're using technology to make the actors look younger. To me that stuff only works for short scenes but I think the tech isn't there yet. They will look video game versions of themselves.
 

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I'm not excited for either Robert de Niro or Al Pacino in 2019. Pretty much everything I've seen either of them in for the last 20 years has been straight garbage, and their performances have been either completely phoned in, or self-parody.

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Surprised. I was expecting it to get panned.

I watched the latest trailer, and something about it comes across as contrived. Hoping the actual movie isn't like that at all.
 

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This being on Netflix kinda cheapens it a bit for me. Don't know but their films always feel like direct to dvd shit for me despite some of them getting good reviews, big name actors and budgets. I'm still pissed off they're using technology to make the actors look younger. To me that stuff only works for short scenes but I think the tech isn't there yet. They will look video game versions of themselves.
I don't mind it if done properly, it's not like they are computer generated performances, it's real acting with a little computer magic. It's odd because of our knowledge of how these actors actually looked decades ago, but like with Chernobyl and British accents: if we suspend our reservations and preconceptions, if the story works, you get used to it. Not sure prosthetics are any better as they can mask out a good chunk of facial expressions, and since it's a story spanning over decades, using 3-4 actors per role would've confused the hell out of the audience.

Hollywood can't stop Netflix, Amazon & the rest, they can only be a dick about it at theaters & award ceremonies, streaming will take over either way. It's a fact that no other studio was ready to put down $200.000.000 with full creative control at the creators and no questions asked, and Roma (robbed at the Oscars) and The Other Side of the Wind restoration (as well as several quality original TV programming) proves that these online giants pour more money into creativity and original content than risk-avoiding superhero-oriented old whales. Being backed by Netflix doesn't cheapen it, it made this movie happen.
 

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This being on Netflix kinda cheapens it a bit for me. Don't know but their films always feel like direct to dvd shit for me despite some of them getting good reviews, big name actors and budgets. I'm still pissed off they're using technology to make the actors look younger. To me that stuff only works for short scenes but I think the tech isn't there yet. They will look video game versions of themselves.
The CGI is a bold move I admit but you would be surprised the amount of unnoticed CGI that goes into filmmaking these days. As long as it's not distracting feature I'll be fine with it. As for Netflix, that's a bit if common bias some need to get over eventually. Streaming is a standard platform now and over time will produce most of the future classics.

I do get what you're saying though, a lot of underwelming stuff gets made straight to Netflix. I actually think Amazon might be better in that regard
 
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I don't mind it if done properly, it's not like they are computer generated performances, it's real acting with a little computer magic. It's odd because of our knowledge of how these actors actually looked decades ago, but like with Chernobyl and British accents: if we suspend our reservations and preconceptions, if the story works, you get used to it. Not sure prosthetics are any better as they can mask out a good chunk of facial expressions, and since it's a story spanning over decades, using 3-4 actors per role would've confused the hell out of the audience.

Hollywood can't stop Netflix, Amazon & the rest, they can only be a dick about it at theaters & award ceremonies, streaming will take over either way. It's a fact that no other studio was ready to put down $200.000.000 with full creative control at the creators and no questions asked, and Roma (robbed at the Oscars) and The Other Side of the Wind restoration (as well as several quality original TV programming) proves that these online giants pour more money into creativity and original content than risk-avoiding superhero-oriented old whales. Being backed by Netflix doesn't cheapen it, it made this movie happen.
The comic book movie thing has totally been overdone. Such shitty filmmaking too, not to be a snob about it. Cookie cutterr bollocks, you've seen one of them you've seen them all. They serve a purpose much like Eastenders serves a purpose on TV, but for my money, it's just shit movie making, and it seems to be all the big Hollywood producers are interested in making.
 
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I don't mind it if done properly, it's not like they are computer generated performances, it's real acting with a little computer magic. It's odd because of our knowledge of how these actors actually looked decades ago, but like with Chernobyl and British accents: if we suspend our reservations and preconceptions, if the story works, you get used to it. Not sure prosthetics are any better as they can mask out a good chunk of facial expressions, and since it's a story spanning over decades, using 3-4 actors per role would've confused the hell out of the audience.

Hollywood can't stop Netflix, Amazon & the rest, they can only be a dick about it at theaters & award ceremonies, streaming will take over either way. It's a fact that no other studio was ready to put down $200.000.000 with full creative control at the creators and no questions asked, and Roma (robbed at the Oscars) and The Other Side of the Wind restoration (as well as several quality original TV programming) proves that these online giants pour more money into creativity and original content than risk-avoiding superhero-oriented old whales. Being backed by Netflix doesn't cheapen it, it made this movie happen.
That's a fair point actually. Probably why a lot of directors are working with the likes of Netflix and Amazon. They'll back their film financially and give them creative control.

I hope the film is a success as I'm fan of most of the people involved in it.
 

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The comic book movie thing has totally been overdone. Such shitty filmmaking too, not to be a snob about it. Cookie cutterr bollocks, you've seen one of them you've seen them all. They serve a purpose much like Eastenders serves a purpose on TV, but for my money, it's just shit movie making, and it seems to be all the big Hollywood producers are interested in making.
Sure. I do watch some every now and then (The Boys was quite okay on Amazon, look forward to HBO's Watchmen) but yeah... just too much of the same thing. I've been enjoying the streaming catalogs ever since I'm having HBO Go, Netflix and Prime Video, and watch whatever old school stuff I can get my hands or butt on.

I really hope The Irishman hits Budapest theaters, tho at 3,5 hrs I'm not even sure it's the best thing to watch in a single sitting... dat big screen tho!!
 
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The comic book movie thing has totally been overdone. Such shitty filmmaking too, not to be a snob about it. Cookie cutterr bollocks, you've seen one of them you've seen them all. They serve a purpose much like Eastenders serves a purpose on TV, but for my money, it's just shit movie making, and it seems to be all the big Hollywood producers are interested in making.
I agree. I like some of the superhero stuff but these MCU films do my head in now. There's no risks taken in them and they're all bland. The new Joker film could be a game changer though and hopefully it paves the way for more ballsy films.
 
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I agree. I like some of the superhero stuff but these MCU films do my head in now. There's no risks taken in them and they're all bland. The new Joker film could be a game changer though and hopefully it paves the way for more ballsy films.
To be fair, the joker isn't really a comic book movie. Obviously it's based on a comic book character, but it's definitely not following the generic formula and isn't an in-your-face action movie like the rest.
 
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The Irishman (2019)


What year is this? - asks Agent Cooper with a bent back, feeling just as old and confused as he looks in the Twin Peaks revival. Do you feel any remorse? - fact-based character Frank Sheeran is asked in The Irishman, and is similarly unsure of the answer. David Lynch and Martin Scorsese are clearly having a conversation between their old, mortal self and their legacy, and neither is sure what to make of it. So much like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino, they decide to deconstruct their own career craft, stripping their characters of genre tropes and boundaries, and put them into reality, in slow, melancholic pace. And yet: there was not a dull moment over 3,5 hours and I didn't notice ppl. even taking a bathroom break, as so many little details, in-jokes and great acting rushed through this epic in no time.

And the Oscar goes to... Joe Pesci! What an incredible performance, he's the heart and soul of this one, and we get plenty of well deserved De Niro - Pacino time - about time FFS! Fantastic acting all around with the likes of Harvey Keitel, Bobby Cannavale or Stephen Graham reduced to side-show - if you dig Scorsese's and the three actors' body of work and can handle the pace of The Assassination of Jesse James..., this one will be a treat for you! I'm glad I went to the cinemas for this one, fuck US distributors keeping this one out of multiplexes. The Irishman clearly belongs on the Big Screen, although it could've also gone 8-hour miniseries route and I would've still watched in in one or two sittings.

Tech ppl. did an incredible job de-aging actors (fortunately not by too many decades), so not a hint of CGI, though De Niro's blue eyes bothered me a bit. Other times story jumped a little too abruptly and took a little time to say identify Anna Paquin as the same person that appeared as a child a few scenes earlier (literally zero resemblance between her and child actress Lucy Gallina, I mean WTF?). And much like with another tremendous effort, Fitzcarraldo, I need some time to digest this one before calling it masterpiece or something. One thing is for sure: I've enjoyed the shit out of The Irishman and can't wait to revisit it on Netflix. Thank you, Marty. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED (in theaters)
 
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