NZ to announce gun amnesty

Haggis

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Because I can and because I want to... Same reason I own a record player, TVs, PS4, automobiles, etc.
Oh, okay.

Your neighbour wants to own a couple of hundred pounds of radioactive enriched uranium. Problem?

Your neighbour on the other side has no scientific education or training, but he likes to have a deadly airborne pathogen collection in his makeshift garage lab. Problem?

Your neighbour across the street wants to cover his front yard in shrapnel-throwing landmines. Problem?

How far does this "Because I want to" "argument" extend, exactly? What are its limits?

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Joe E

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Oh, okay.

Your neighbour wants to own a couple of hundred pounds of radioactive enriched uranium. Problem?

Your neighbour on the other side has no scientific education or training, but he likes to have a deadly airborne pathogen collection in his makeshift garage lab. Problem?

Your neighbour across the street wants to cover his front yard in shrapnel-throwing landmines. Problem?

How far does this "Because I want to" "argument" extend, exactly? What are its limits?

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This is comical.
 

tommygun711

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A constitution written hundreds of years ago is about as valid as the Bible, ffs.
I agree with you on the bible being invalid as fuck, but would you at least agree that certain amendments of the constitution are valid? Particularly the 1st, 2nd amendment, the 4th, 5th, 6th amendments, etc? I'm not one of these textual originalists but to completely discard the constitution is dangerous.

This is comical.
Idiotic is what it is.
 

Haggis

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The founders of this country who, you know, used them to fend off a tyrannical government in order to create something far better for themselves didn’t think it was ridiculous.
They also didn't think it was ridiculous to codify the system of one man owning another man and all of his family as his own personal property.

And they didn't get out perfect right away, in fact it's been changed Dozens of times since it was ratified. Including the amendment that talks about "well regulated militias".

Also, talking about oppressive governments..... how many different charges can your government being against you where the potential punishment is..... they murder you?

My government? Let's run down the list...... okay, done. Zero. My tyrannical government does not have the legal authority to hand down a sentence of death under any circumstances. Yours?

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Haggis

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I agree with you on the bible being invalid as fuck, but would you at least agree that certain amendments of the constitution are valid? Particularly the 1st, 2nd amendment, the 4th, 5th, 6th amendments, etc? I'm not one of these textual originalists but to completely discard the constitution is dangerous.


Idiotic is what it is.
Who is completely discarding the Constitution?

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Slick Ric

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Oh, okay.

Your neighbour wants to own a couple of hundred pounds of radioactive enriched uranium. Problem?

Your neighbour on the other side has no scientific education or training, but he likes to have a deadly airborne pathogen collection in his makeshift garage lab. Problem?

Your neighbour across the street wants to cover his front yard in shrapnel-throwing landmines. Problem?

How far does this "Because I want to" "argument" extend, exactly? What are its limits?

:hat
When it imposes on someone elses’ life or liberty... That’s the limit.
 

Slick Ric

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They also didn't think it was ridiculous to codify the system of one man owning another man and all of his family as his own personal property.

And they didn't get out perfect right away, in fact it's been changed Dozens of times since it was ratified. Including the amendment that talks about "well regulated militias".

Also, talking about oppressive governments..... how many different charges can your government being against you where the potential punishment is..... they murder you?

My government? Let's run down the list...... okay, done. Zero. My tyrannical government does not have the legal authority to hand down a sentence of death under any circumstances. Yours?

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Good on your government for not murdering people. That’s one thing we can agree on, especially in the cases where the criminal justice system gets it wrong. As I’m sure I’ve expressed on here several times, I’d much rather a guilty man goes free than an innocent man be put to death.
 

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I agree with you on the bible being invalid as fuck, but would you at least agree that certain amendments of the constitution are valid? Particularly the 1st, 2nd amendment, the 4th, 5th, 6th amendments, etc? I'm not one of these textual originalists but to completely discard the constitution is dangerous.


Idiotic is what it is.
Sure, I'll agree to that, man.

But it doesn't change the fact that referencing a document that has been superceded by events, technology, society and circumstance is just weak as fuck.

Whilst the core of it is still pretty solid, it needs brought up to date. The 2nd amendment is the perfect illustration of this. It was written after a war of independence and based on the technology of the day. Government now is fully democratic, let's ignore the might of the military and the absolute redundancy of any 'uprising/militia', and weapons of mass murder and now readily available. If the Constitution was rewritten now the 2nd amendment would bear no resemblance to it's current form. That's just common sense, man.
 

Haggis

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Good on your government for not murdering people. That’s one thing we can agree on, especially in the cases where the criminal justice system gets it wrong. As I’m sure I’ve expressed on here several times, I’d much rather a guilty man goes free than an innocent man be put to death.
:thumbsup

It is the right thing, even with assholes like this guy a couple of weeks ago. There's no death penalty system that has never executed an innocent man.

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Haggis

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When it imposes on someone elses’ life or liberty... That’s the limit.
Doesn't the requirement of a valid drivers licence and car warrant/registration impose on your liberty, though?

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Slick Ric

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Doesn't the requirement of a valid drivers licence and car warrant/registration impose on your liberty, though?

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Yeah, kind of, but my neighbor isn’t imposing those restrictions on me. One of my actual neighbors has a .50 cal sniper rifle that he showed me. As long as he’s not using it to try to harm me or anyone I give a shit about I don’t care that he has it. If he did I’d have to take it away from him and stick it up his ass, but I’m happy to live in a place where we have the freedom to choose whether or not we want to own such things.

Also, I think a lot of people from other countries are under the mistaken impression that we can just go to a gun store, buy any type of gun we want and take it home that day. Where I live you have to fill out forms, take a gun safety course, go through a federal background check and wait like two weeks if you want to buy a handgun legally.
 
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Slick Ric

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Sure, I'll agree to that, man.

But it doesn't change the fact that referencing a document that has been superceded by events, technology, society and circumstance is just weak as fuck.

Whilst the core of it is still pretty solid, it needs brought up to date. The 2nd amendment is the perfect illustration of this. It was written after a war of independence and based on the technology of the day. Government now is fully democratic, let's ignore the might of the military and the absolute redundancy of any 'uprising/militia', and weapons of mass murder and now readily available. If the Constitution was rewritten now the 2nd amendment would bear no resemblance to it's current form. That's just common sense, man.
Nah, the military is heavily reliant on the people and if our government ever gets too far out of control they’ll be fucked.
 

Slick Ric

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:thumbsup

It is the right thing, even with assholes like this guy a couple of weeks ago. There's no death penalty system that has never executed an innocent man.

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I’d make an exception for that fucker, but he’s clearly guilty of one of the most egregious crimes ever committed by a single person in known history. I’m not against killing him but I am against the concept on a whole simply because the system does get it wrong from time to time.
 
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Joe E

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Yeah, kind of, but my neighbor isn’t imposing those restrictions on me. One of my actual neighbors has a .50 cal sniper rifle that he showed me. As long as he’s not using it to try to harm me or anyone I give a shit about I don’t care that he has it. If he did I’d have to take it away from him and stick it up his ass, but I’m happy to live in a place where we have the freedom to choose whether or not we want to own such things.

Also, I think a lot of people from other countries are under the mistaken impression that we can just go to a gun store, buy any type of gun we want and take it home that day. Where I live you have to fill out forms, take a gun safety course, go through a federal background check and wait like two weeks if you want to buy a handgun legally.
What state do you live in? Are we talking about hand guns or guns in general?
 

Slick Ric

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What state do you live in? Are we talking about hand guns or guns in general?
I’m in CA. I believe it’s now for all guns here but I haven’t read up on the law in a while as I haven’t been in the market for a new gun for quite some time.
 
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Joe E

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I’m in CA. I believe it’s now for all guns here but I haven’t read up on the law in a while as I haven’t been in the market for a new gun for quite some time.
Thanks. Been thinking about getting a black powder 44
 
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I’m in CA. I believe it’s now for all guns here but I haven’t read up on the law in a while as I haven’t been in the market for a new gun for quite some time.


Here you go sir. This shit is pretty fucking draconian. All handguns sold in California must undergo a series of testing including a drop test before being added to the roster certification for sale....
 
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