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Goff's game reminds me of Kurt warners. Isn't mobile or flashing but throws the dig route extremely well. If you can get pressure to him hes in trouble because a 15 yard cross takes time to develop. He also really seems to have issues in weather, I wonder if he has small hands or something like that
I thought Kurt was much more tougher in the pocket. Willing to take shots downfield. Warner and Farve got murdered though in the 2009-10 playoffs due to saints bountygate.
 
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I thought Kurt was much more tougher in the pocket. Willing to take shots downfield. Warner and Farve got murdered though in the 2009-10 playoffs due to saints bountygate.
The day of the big body mounted rocket launcher is coming to a pause. It'll come back after big body running teams come back in fashion to run over these smaller multi-position defenses.
 
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Well @Goat, what do you think about Belichick letting Gostowski go after Stephen's dismal performance in Denver last night? Sure, he kicked the winning 25 yarder, but after missing as many kicks at Mile High in a single game as he might in an entire 19 game SB season with New England.

Hip surgery seems like an awfully difficult thing for a kicker to come back from. Yes, it's only one game into the season but I think Bill knows the difference between possibly irreparable goods (Gostkowski) and worthwhile reclamation projects (Cam).
 
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Well @Goat, what do you think about Belichick letting Gostowski go after Stephen's dismal performance in Denver last night? Sure, he kicked the winning 25 yarder, but after missing as many kicks at Mile High in a single game as he might in an entire 19 game SB season with New England.

Hip surgery seems like an awfully difficult thing for a kicker to come back from. Yes, it's only one game into the season but I think Bill knows the difference between possibly irreparable goods (Gostkowski) and worthwhile reclamation projects (Cam).
Bill has always had a great sense for judging when a player is on the way out vs. on an upswing/comeback.
 

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The day of the big body mounted rocket launcher is coming to a pause. It'll come back after big body running teams come back in fashion to run over these smaller multi-position defenses.
Great analysis. These sort of trends come in waves.

After the Greatest Show on Turf, there were several years of teams trying to model their offenses after them. After Denver surprisingly crushed Carolina in the SB, it seemed there was a flurry of teams trying to develop their defenses to be the same way.
 
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Great analysis. These sort of trends come in waves.

After the Greatest Show on Turf, there were several years of teams trying to model their offenses after them. After Denver surprisingly crushed Carolina in the SB, it seemed there was a flurry of teams trying to develop their defenses to be the same way.
And now these unbelievable QBs are able to do things that force defenses to be more mobile so that you don't have to worry so much on switches. It works for that, but in response you've got guys like Bill Belichick designing their system to run those smaller defenders over and breaking them, drawing them into the box and then burying them on the outside.
 

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And now these unbelievable QBs are able to do things that force defenses to be more mobile so that you don't have to worry so much on switches. It works for that, but in response you've got guys like Bill Belichick designing their system to run those smaller defenders over and breaking them, drawing them into the box and then burying them on the outside.
Bill has a history of defying whatever the current grain is, and to great success.

His '07 offense was considered groundbreaking in its explosiveness, while his '18 team methodically chugged its way to an SB.
 
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Bill has always had a great sense for judging when a player is on the way out vs. on an upswing/comeback.
He's also learned from his mistakes, wryly noting for years that, "Adam's still kicking" after letting Vinatieri go. (I wonder if Bill and Bob Kraft might bring him back simply so he can break George Blanda's age record and retire as a Patriot. Bill's a noted historian of the game who likes cool things like having Doug Flutie end his career by scoring with a the NFL's first drop kick since 1941. Bringing Adam back would also give him four different decades of play, matching Blanda. Again, if they can't get their kicking straight, a return by Vinatieri might also resonate well as a gesture with Pats fans.)
 

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Bill has a history of defying whatever the current grain is, and to great success.

His '07 offense was considered groundbreaking in its explosiveness, while his '18 team methodically chugged its way to an SB.
And his first three titles were won with excellent defense and a fine running game (which lead the NFL with Corey Dillon in 2004).

The great ones adapt. Vince Lombardi didn't have much time, but he radically changed his approach on offense from Bart Starr and the Packers to Sonny Jurgensen with the Redskins. (Jurgy cited Vince as his favorite of nine different HCs, and the only one who actually simplified the game. Sonny lead the NFL in passing attempts, completion and yards in 1969 with a very difference offense than Lombardi oversaw at Green Bay.)
 

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Seems TV ratings have taken a noticeable drop across the board, with the lone exception of Brady's Bucs debut.


‘Monday Night Football’ TV Ratings Plunge From 2019 in Opening Week Doubleheader

Both games were down by double digits from last year’s counterparts

“Monday Night Football” continued the NFL’s tepid TV ratings start to its 2020 campaign, with both games of its annual opening week doubleheader dropping double-digits from last year.

The Pittsburgh Steelers’ win over the New York Giants drew 10.8 million viewers, down 17% from last year (which featured a thrilling come-from-behind victory by the New Orleans Saints over the Houston Texans). It was up from the same corresponding game (Lions-Jets) from 2018.

Even so, the game was still the biggest cable audience since Fox News’ coverage of Donald Trump’s State of the Union back in February.

The late game between the Tennessee Titans and Denver Broncos fell 27% from last year’s late game (Raiders-Broncos) with 7.7 million viewers.

It’s been a slow start for the NFL this year, with the exception of Tom Brady’s debut with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Sunday afternoon (that game scored 25.9 million to be the most-watched of Week 1 –it was Fox’s best Week 1 match-up since 2016). NBC saw double-digit declines for both of its national games during the opening weekend, including the Los Angeles Rams’ SoFi Stadium unveiling on “Sunday Night Football” against the Dallas Cowboys.
 

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I just watched the highlights of Wentz under pressure from the opening game and I'm surprised at how poor he looked. It's the first game of the season without a pre-season, so you can't be too critical based on that one game, but he looked like a rabbit in headlights at times. There was one sack, when the Eagles were winning 10-0, where he was under obvious pressure, he had time to throw the ball away and instead, he just did nothing. You have to be much better at protecting yourself and the ball than that, it was terrible.

It's a strange one with Wentz, he gets a lot of praise for his potential but he's benefitted from being being a great OLine since he debuted. Now that the line is weaker and he's under more pressure, is this going to be a glimpse of the future? Wentz under pressure and not being able to protect the ball?

I quite like the Eagles so I hope he sorts it out but there's question marks over him for the first time. He's at that point in his career where he should be kicking on, so it'll be interesting to see whether he can fulfill his potential or whether he's going to stagnate.
 

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Well @Goat, what do you think about Belichick letting Gostowski go after Stephen's dismal performance in Denver last night? Sure, he kicked the winning 25 yarder, but after missing as many kicks at Mile High in a single game as he might in an entire 19 game SB season with New England.

Hip surgery seems like an awfully difficult thing for a kicker to come back from. Yes, it's only one game into the season but I think Bill knows the difference between possibly irreparable goods (Gostkowski) and worthwhile reclamation projects (Cam).
Im sure the pats evaluated him after surgery,which is why they let him go

its a rough way to have to lose the guy though,after so many years of clutch kicks

dude was a fixture.................a safety margin...........
 

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Im sure the pats evaluated him after surgery,which is why they let him go

its a rough way to have to lose the guy though,after so many years of clutch kicks

dude was a fixture.................a safety margin...........
Not Vinatieri's equal, but he's still widely presumed to be a HOF lock at this stage. Bill made a preemptive gamble in releasing Adam to free agency for Gostowski that Vinatieri would no longer be able to generate the leg necessary for producing touchbacks, but Stephen's run with the Pats was ended for clear reasons beyond negative expectations. They got all they could expect out of the guy.

I hope Gostowski's got enough left to get to 2,000 points, and I'm sure former teammate Vrabel will give him every chance to reach that milestone.
 

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Not Vinatieri's equal, but he's still widely presumed to be a HOF lock at this stage. Bill made a preemptive gamble in releasing Adam to free agency for Gostowski that Vinatieri would no longer be able to generate the leg necessary for producing touchbacks, but Stephen's run with the Pats was ended for clear reasons beyond negative expectations. They got all they could expect out of the guy.

I hope Gostowski's got enough left to get to 2,000 points, and I'm sure former teammate Vrabel will give him every chance to reach that milestone.
I dunno

he may have had a stronger leg than adam.................

clutch is another question..............

dude was no slouch,either way...........
 

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I dunno

he may have had a stronger leg than adam.................

clutch is another question..............

dude was no slouch,either way...........
True enough.

I agree with Belichick's reasoning and prioritizing kickoff touchbacks over scoring, given the rules at that time (touchbacks didn't grant the receiving team starting position at the 25 yard line rather than the 20 until 2016), and it was Stephen, not Adam, who finally produced a FG over 60 yards (albeit in Mexico City). We had no idea Vinatieri had that much left, but it worked out for everybody.

Clutch/choke is really defined, I think, in a negative aspect by Scott Norwood and Gary Anderson (and to lesser extent by Jan Stenerud and Garo Yepremian in the last contest ever played at KC's Municipal Stadium on Christmas Day 1971 in the greatest game and most epic upset ever played, when Stenerud missed the first 31 yard attempt of his career with 31 seconds to go, then Yepremian won it for the upstart expansion Fins from 37 yards out on a muddy field in double OT).
 
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I wouldn't look into the kicking much yet, it was awful in every game. The noticable effect of the lack of pre-season games were in the kicking and catching, both were well under par.

Hopefully the Bengals win tonight, I thought Burrow looked good in the opener. It's a big game, the Browns are in an awkward position with their roster, they have talent but it's just not a functional unit of a team and is Mayfield the guy to build a team around?