Official NFL 2020(maybe?) season thread

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My top 10 teams as of right now

10.Bills
9.Buc's
8.Saints
7.Steelers
6.Titans
5.Rams
4.Seahawks
3.Ravens
2.Chiefs
1.Packers

Didn't plan it out but.....5 NFC/5 AFC

Injuries ruined the Niners.
 

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My top 10 teams as of right now

10.Bills
9.Buc's
8.Saints
7.Steelers
6.Titans
5.Rams
4.Seahawks
3.Ravens
2.Chiefs
1.Packers
I'd probably put the Bills a little higher, the Rams a little lower, and move the Raiders somewhere in there instead of the Bucs.

Pats will probably deserve a spot too once they get their QB back.
 
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I'd probably put the Bills a little higher, the Rams a little lower, and move the Raiders somewhere in there instead of the Bucs.

Pats will probably deserve a spot too once they get their QB back.
I can see that and did think about the Raiders at 10, but it is a weekly thing this early in the season.

I do see the Packers and Chiefs clearly the best teams in their conference however. Russell Wilson the best player.
 

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The AFC is looking very deep right now - Chiefs, Pats (with Cam), Ravens, Titans, Bills, Raiders, Steelers, and even Browns have each scored some impressive wins in the span of just a few weeks.

Then you have a team like the Dolphins, who aren't considered among the AFC elite and yet just thrashed the defending NFC champs.

I'd argue that the AFC is deeper than the NFC right now, which would be a reversal from the last few years.
 
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I can see that and did think about the Raiders at 10, but it is a weekly thing this early in the season.

I do see the Packers and Chiefs clearly the best teams in their conference however. Russell Wilson the best player.
Russ is playing great, on wisconsin. Rodgers is carving people up with no recievers. Hes not as explosive as he was from a mobility standpoint but I'd say he's playing the best he ever has.
 
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The AFC is looking very deep right now - Chiefs, Pats (with Cam), Ravens, Titans, Bills, Raiders, Steelers, and even Browns have each scored some impressive wins in the span of just a few weeks.

Then you have a team like the Dolphins, who aren't considered among the AFC elite and yet just thrashed the defending NFC champs.

I'd argue that the AFC is deeper than the NFC right now, which would be a reversal from the last few years.
To be fair to the Dolphins Fitzmagic has the potential to destroy any team out there on a given week. He also has the ability to destroy his team's chance of winning so...
 

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Bell signs 1-year deal with Chiefs, but isn't expected to play this week.
Great move by both. He's a smart, patient RB, in mid career at 28, and he was very clearly the best player the Jets had early last season while Darnold was out with mono. (Statistics be damned. I was watching him play against the Pats, and he was the only player in Gangrene who brought anything at all to the field.)

If Le'Veon was manufacturing friction between himself and Gase, then good on Bell, who was liable to get killed playing for a Big Crapple franchise. No runner better knows how to utilize blocking interference, but he's hardly the sort of power runner who can create his own.
 
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I can see that and did think about the Raiders at 10, but it is a weekly thing this early in the season.

I do see the Packers and Chiefs clearly the best teams in their conference however. Russell Wilson the best player.
Pete should be hammering on Seattle's defense during their bye week. That's team's the exact inverse of the Pats at this time last season.

My biggest surprise this season is how the Falcons, a veteran team, could crumble so completely from finishing 6-2 w/a four game winning streak to starting 0-5. Blank did the right thing at the right time. Atlanta needs to concentrate on playing well towards next season. I absolutely do NOT advocate tanking 2020 in a bid for higher draft picks who can lack motivation after signing huge contracts. They have the right QB (who continues to play well) and personnel. They need to forget SB LI, remember that they eliminated the Rams from the 2017 playoffs with superior experience on the road, and have a roster that can play with anybody.

Jets, Giants, Falcons, all 0-5. One of these doesn't belong with the other two.

Atlanta's playing another weird story next. Normally, I'd be thrilled about indoor stadiums tanking, but I guess I'm experiencing mounting indifference about a game which was originally played in rain, ice, snow, mud, garbage (Shitea Stadium), crosswinds (Shitea Stadium), on broken glass (Unitas in semipro ball) Astrodirt (Baltimore Colts), or under falling beer cans (Buffalo's War Zone Stadium). The NFL's gotten so goddamn sanitized it's a wonder COVID's an issue at all. What the fuck's happened all to the Larry Csonkas who loved the taste of blood and dirt in their mouths? (Csonka, with his oft fractured nose, never stopped bitching about the Orange Bowl's switch from grass to synthetic turf for the 1970 season, and both the Dolphins and Redskins exulted in the fact of the LA Coliseum having a natural grass surface before SB VII. Larry made sure to obtain a delicious facial laceration for souvenir scar in that game. Fuck title rings. He sees the completion of a perfect season on his face in the mirror.)
 

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Oooo Lock back as well. Might be a good game now.
Is it confirmed that Cam is starting? Be interesting to see if Denver can still muster any semblance of the once-great defense that had given Cam so many problems.

Not sure if Lock starting will make much difference for Denver though... I don't think he's had enough actual playing-time experience to overcome a Belichick D.


Anyone making picks for Bucs vs Packers?
Depends on which version of the Bucs shows up - the one that rallied together down the stretch to overtake the Chargers, or the one that melted down and drew penalties like candy against the Bears?

The Bucs have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball and are very strong on both lines. Last year, the Packs had a lot of trouble with teams that could get physical and manhandle them on either side - and the Bucs might be the most physical team the Packs have played thus far. It's also worth noting that the Packs have only played one team so far that currently has a winning record, whereas the Bucs have played three (albeit losing to two of them).
 

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Assuming the season doesn't get cancelled overnight, here's what we have to look forward to this weekend:

Texans @ Titans - Titans just got their biggest win of the season thus far, while the Texans got their first. Which team will carry their momentum into Week 6?

Browns @ Steelers - Two red hot divisional rivals collide! Steelers currently sit atop their division, so a Browns victory would cause quite a shakeup.

Ravens @ Eagles - Both teams rated #2 in highly competitive (though in different ways) divisions. Will the Ravens run away (literally and figuratively) with a victory, or can the Eags muster up that once-great run defense that propelled their SB run?

Bears @ Panthers - One of the most intriguing matchups of the weekend IMO. Two "under the radar" teams that are quietly having success, each led by a veteran QB who knows how to pull out games.

Broncos @ Pats - Assuming this game actually comes off, we may or may not get to see the return of Lock and/or Cam. For Cam, this would be a chance at revenge against the team that has haunted his dreams for years.

Wash @ Giants - A game that's probably of no consequence to anyone else on this site :lol: , but I feel compelled to discuss what little merit it has because I'm from NY (and I'll be forced to watch it on TV). We could end up seeing one less winless team in the league, or Kyle Allen (or maybe even Alex Smith?) could get his first winning start of the season.

Packers @ Bucs (Sunday evening) - Brady. Rodgers. 'Nuff said.

Rams @ 9ers (Sunday night) - Can the 9ers regain their 2019 form for this crucial divisional match? And can they win a game outside of New Jersey? :lol:

Chiefs @ Bills (Monday evening) - A week ago, this looked like it would be a titanic clash between undefeated conference leaders, and perhaps even a preview of the AFC championship. Now, we see two teams trying to rebound from devastating upset losses.

Cards @ Dallas (Monday night) - Dalton makes his first start for Dallas. Can he be the Brady to Dak's Bledsoe? Conversely, can Dallas' D stop Murray from running all over them?
 
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Great move by both. He's a smart, patient RB, in mid career at 28, and he was very clearly the best player the Jets had early last season while Darnold was out with mono. (Statistics be damned. I was watching him play against the Pats, and he was the only player in Gangrene who brought anything at all to the field.)

If Le'Veon was manufacturing friction between himself and Gase, then good on Bell, who was liable to get killed playing for a Big Crapple franchise. No runner better knows how to utilize blocking interference, but he's hardly the sort of power runner who can create his own.
He can run with power. He just has such great vision he really doesn't. At Michigan st he wasn't the runner he is now. I suspect that was coaching in Pittsburgh that unlocked his potential. He was much more a north south runner in college, good back but nothing like he is now
 
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Is it confirmed that Cam is starting? Be interesting to see if Denver can still muster any semblance of the once-great defense that had given Cam so many problems.

Not sure if Lock starting will make much difference for Denver though... I don't think he's had enough actual playing-time experience to overcome a Belichick D.




Depends on which version of the Bucs shows up - the one that rallied together down the stretch to overtake the Chargers, or the one that melted down and drew penalties like candy against the Bears?

The Bucs have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball and are very strong on both lines. Last year, the Packs had a lot of trouble with teams that could get physical and manhandle them on either side - and the Bucs might be the most physical team the Packs have played thus far. It's also worth noting that the Packs have only played one team so far that currently has a winning record, whereas the Bucs have played three (albeit losing to two of them).
Packers o line is really good. Only one guy is a bit of a liability. I think its a product of a couple of younger guys coming into their prime. The d line isn't very good however. Devonte addams coming back is a huge addition to an already good offense.

Packers linebackers suck too. Gronk may have a big day. If the packers win this one comfortably they may be the best team in the league
 

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He can run with power. He just has such great vision he really doesn't. At Michigan st he wasn't the runner he is now. I suspect that was coaching in Pittsburgh that unlocked his potential. He was much more a north south runner in college, good back but nothing like he is now
Something you touched on there is that he's evolved into a runner with the potential for tremendous longevity with the proper team support, through coaching and field personnel.

Your suspicion about Bell's coaching at Pittsburgh certainly hold water when looking at the success Conner immediately replicated in the same spot, and makes me think of some history elsewhere.

The question with Terrell Davis at Denver was if he was a great runner in and of himself, or if their run blocking schemes were responsible for his success. Successors like Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson and Clinton Portis demonstrate it was the latter, so I regard Terrell's induction into Canton as presumptuous, however lamentable it was that migraines shelved the career of Davis prematurely. (Much was made of the fact that Leroy Kelly got into the HOF with fewer rushing yards, but Kelly's departure from the Browns after the 1973 season ended Cleveland's 28 year stretch as a perennial contender, and Leroy was also a fine special teams player who made a key kickoff return tackle against the Colts in the 1964 Championship Game. Retroactively, Kelly's impact on the 1966 to 1972 Browns was huge, and he was the only player in either the NFL or AFL to rush for over 1,000 yards three times between Jim Brown's 1965 retirement and the 1970 merger. Retroactively, Terrell Davis was a system RB, Leroy Kelly a historically great one. But like Portis, Bell might be able to sustain continued success after leaving the system you credit for developing him into an elite NFL RB.)
 
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Something you touched on there is that he's evolved into a runner with the potential for tremendous longevity with the proper team support, through coaching and field personnel.

Your suspicion about Bell's coaching at Pittsburgh certainly hold water when looking at the success Conner immediately replicated in the same spot, and makes me think of some history elsewhere.

The question with Terrell Davis at Denver was if he was a great runner in and of himself, or if their run blocking schemes were responsible for his success. Successors like Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson and Clinton Portis demonstrate it was the latter, so I regard Terrell's induction into Canton as presumptuous, however lamentable it was that migraines shelved the career of Davis prematurely. (Much was made of the fact that Leroy Kelly got into the HOF with fewer rushing yards, but Kelly's departure from the Browns after the 1973 season ended Cleveland's 28 year stretch as a perennial contender, and Leroy was also a fine special teams player who made a key kickoff return tackle against the Colts in the 1964 Championship Game. Retroactively, Kelly's impact on the 1966 to 1972 Browns was huge, and he was the only player in either the NFL or AFL to rush for over 1,000 yards three times between Jim Brown's 1965 retirement and the 1970 merger. Retroactively, Terrell Davis was a system RB, Leroy Kelly a historically great one. But like Portis, Bell might be able to sustain continued success after leaving the system you credit for developing him into an elite NFL RB.)
Not entirely fair to Terrell Davis. System runner sure, but he did some amazing things within that system that even Portis didn't replicate. Also remember that Portis was hugely talented but his body was DESTROYED after that
 

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Packers o line is really good. Only one guy is a bit of a liability. I think its a product of a couple of younger guys coming into their prime. The d line isn't very good however. Devonte addams coming back is a huge addition to an already good offense.

Packers linebackers suck too. Gronk may have a big day. If the packers win this one comfortably they may be the best team in the league
Gronk's main contributions to the Pats last title team were as a blocker though, not a receiver. Since then, he's lost, then had to regain a pile of muscle. Unlike Brady, he's physically damaged goods with a bad back. He may have a big day, but probably more as a decoy. Despite his bum ankle, Mike Evans has emerged as the man for Tom with the Bucs.

Rodgers was not impressive the last time he matched passes with Brady, but as you say, he has some protection which doesn't require him to mimic Tarkenton's scrambling. Best team in the NFC with a "comfortable" win? I'll say with any win, considering that the 5-0 Seahawks have allowed 135 PA to the 0-5 Giants 133 PA. (I had to do a double take on that stat. Seattle's defense needs to tighten up.)

I also noticed that 4-1 Buffalo has scored fewer points than they've allowed, something not true for the 2-2 Pats or 2-3 Fins. Amazing what a single blowout loss or win can do for those overall numbers, but maybe the Bills aren't quite as good as supposed despite Josh Allen's progress...(The outlook in New England is that the Pats came within a play of winning from behind in Seattle, then dropped a meaningless loss to the champs w/out their starting QB. We don't consider the AFC East to be in jeopardy yet with two games against the Bills yet to be contested.)