Official NFL 2020(maybe?) season thread

Haggis

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May 16, 2013
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List of most Superbowl wins:

Tom Brady 7
Pittsburgh Steelers 6
New England Patriots 6
San Francisco 49ers 5
Dallas Cowboys 5
Green Bay Packers 4
New York Giants 4
Denver Broncos 3
Washington Football Team 3
Los Angeles / Oakland Raiders 3
Baltimore / Indianapolis Colts 2
Kansas City Chiefs 2
Baltimore Ravens 2
Miami Dolphins 2
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2
New York Jets 1
New Orleans Saints 1
Los Angeles / St. Louis Rams 1
Chicago Bears 1
Seattle Seahawks 1
Philadelphia Eagles 1
Minnesota Vikings 0
Buffalo Bills 0
Cincinnati Bengals 0
Carolina Panthers 0
Atlanta Falcons 0
Los Angeles Chargers 0
Tennessee Titans 0
Arizona Cardinals 0
Cleveland Browns 0
Detroit Lions 0
Houston Texans 0
Jacksonville Jaguars 0


Or, to put it another way, Brady is more successful at winning Superbowls than the Jets, Saints, Rams, Bears, Seahawks, Eagles, Vikings, Bills, Bengals, Panthers, Falcons, Chargers, Titans, Cardinals, Browns, Titans, Texans and Jaguars........... combined.

Or, to put it another way, Brady has more rings than Peyton, Favre, Wilson, Rodgers and Brees combined.

Kinda wish that Bama was still here, to furiously tell everybody that Brady isn't the GOAT. :lol:

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steviebruno

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Jun 5, 2013
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I like you Stevie but that some bullshit lol. Edelman was clearly gassed, dude had a career high game. They need Harry to step up more or sign AB trade for OBJ. Cams whole career in Carolina he only had a old ass Steve Smith and Kelvin Benjamin :lol:.
Cam Newton over Tom Brady, even at 43... you guys don't know football. The Pats would still be competing for Superbowls if they hadn't made such consistently poor personnel decisions. It's almost as if they were forcing Brady out.
 
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I was a Pats partisan who does not feel gutted because of the tired old line, "What has Brady ever done without Belichick?" Now that the answer is "Everything!," what will Tom's implacable haters try denigrating him for now? At age 43, he has completed the first 20 game season of his career with a SB MVP award 20 years after winning his first one. (For Mahomes to somehow only match that longevity at that level of play, he'll have to win the SB MVP for the 2038 season.)

The case for somebody else to be the greatest gridiron player of all time simply can no longer be made. Only five teams have won the SB after a losing season, and Tom was the MVP for two of them. He has completed 20 consecutive winning seasons, tying the 1966-1985 Cowboys, and only missed the playoffs the last year the Bucs won it all (in 2002). Brady has more regular season wins as a starter than all but the top four HCs ever. (And with two more seasons, he'll probably pass Tom Landry's 250.) Atop his 230 regular season wins, he has 34 more playoff victories, over twice as many as QB runner-up Montana, and his accumulated total of 264 wins puts him six wins behind Landry's regular season and playoff total of 270 wins.

Pats fans I watched it with last night do not feel gutted, since we were rooting for him and following him all season.

Nobody alive today will ever see this kind of 20 year gridiron player dominance again, not in a game so violent that a young talent like Wentz can have three consecutive seasons end with injuries.
The GOAT debate was over years ago. Brady didn’t even need this.
 

Sittin Sonny

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Jun 10, 2013
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I disagree with Romo acting like it's a formality that Mahomes will win numerous Super Bowl's, it's not going to be easy to win another. Brees has one, Rodgers has one, Favre has one, Rivers didn't win one, so it's difficult even for elite QBs. The reason the Chiefs have been so good is partially because Mahomes has been on a small rookie contract but with that going up, it essentially takes away 3+ star players from the team. This was the Chiefs perfect window, they now have to win despite Mahomes' contract which makes the job incredibly tough.
Not only that, but Mahomes plays in a very high risk manner and this is the second year in a row in which he incurred some serious injuries. If this trend continues, the odds of him having an extended prime look slim.
 

Jack

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Not only that, but Mahomes plays in a very high risk manner and this is the second year in a row in which he incurred some serious injuries. If this trend continues, the odds of him having an extended prime look slim.
Yeah exactly. If you look at how someone like Cam Newton can get worn down by taking big hits, it's not hard to imagine the much smaller Mahomes quickly becoming damaged goods. The game last night reminded me a lot of Russell Wilson having to play behind a weak offensive line constantly, and Mahomes may have to do what Wilson did, which is to bulk up, give away some mobility and focus on staying in the pocket but even then, he hasn't shown great resilience in his career so far.

The Chiefs will likely lose Fisher, maybe Schwartz too, so if the offensive line is going to be something they'll sacrifice, the impact on Mahomes' longevity could be big. It'll be interesting to see what direction they go in.
 

Duo

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Yeah exactly. If you look at how someone like Cam Newton can get worn down by taking big hits, it's not hard to imagine the much smaller Mahomes quickly becoming damaged goods. The game last night reminded me a lot of Russell Wilson having to play behind a weak offensive line constantly, and Mahomes may have to do what Wilson did, which is to bulk up, give away some mobility and focus on staying in the pocket but even then, he hasn't shown great resilience in his career so far.

The Chiefs will likely lose Fisher, maybe Schwartz too, so if the offensive line is going to be something they'll sacrifice, the impact on Mahomes' longevity could be big. It'll be interesting to see what direction they go in.
Russ uses his mobility to avoid injury however, and is now in sixth place with the most consecutive starts of any QB on history, the highest active total at 144 regular season games (160 including playoffs). With nine consecutive winning seasons, eight seasons with at least one playoff win and a Super Bowl MVP, Wilson is already long since a lock for Canton, an accolade which remains presumptuous for Mahomes at this stage. Pat just hasn't proved to have Russell's durability as yet. (Brady is crazy in this respect. He has one streak of 128 straight starts including playoffs, a second streak of 126 straight, and his current overall streak is up to 89 straight. From September 1959 to November 1965, Unitas held the all time QB record at 91, and remains the only pre SB QB still in the top 15.)

I don't know what oddsmakers are thinking in supporting the Chiefs to regain the title next year, particularly with an apparent template for stopping Mahomes having been demonstrated.


Premium players will not be wanting to leave the Bucs, and perhaps more outcasts like Fournette and AB will be looking to join up. Arians and Leftwich are allowing Tom to coach (and Brady could easily be the offensive coordinator of his teams), and Bruce actually did not want AB on the team, but deferred to Tom's judgment, and it's completely paid off.

Next season, will the franchise that went 0-14 in 1976 go 19-0? They lost their second game to the Saints 38-3, but were in position to win their other four defeats. If Drew Brees retires as expected, their biggest divisional rival's likely gone, while top players continue trickling to Tampa for a full training camp and complete season of practice and work. Beyond that, their leader is the one active player who has successfully defended a Super Bowl championship.

Defense wins championships. Only three teams have failed to score a TD in the SB, and Brady was on the winning side in two of those games, a couple years ago against the high powered LA Rams, and now. So much for asshole Goodell and the NFL wanting score fests and shootouts.
 
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Mahomes needs to cool all those silly commercials especially now. How much $$$$ does the guy need?

Yes, with his offensive line intact we see a different game but.......it is what it was.
 
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