On This Day in Boxing

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Brilliant night when he won the title. Ridiculous atmosphere. Cordoba was it?
Yeah. I think those of us who weren't in Ireland had to watch the fight on an RTE stream, which to be fair worked better than most streaming options at the time :lol:

One of the best fights -- and atmospheres as you say -- that I've witnessed over the past ten years.
 
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30 years ago today the undefeated Michael Nunn knocked out the usually durable Sumbu Kalambay in just 88 seconds.
 
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thegee

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@dkos, what a fantastic fighter , but unfortunately in 2004 he was sentenced to twentyfour years in prison for drug offences, and is not due for release until December2019. Regards Mervyn The Gee
 
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@dkos, what a fantastic fighter , but unfortunately in 2004 he was sentenced to twenty four years in prison for drug offences, and is not due for release until December2019. Regards Mervyn The Gee
I read Nunn was released late last year.
 
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Yeah. I think those of us who weren't in Ireland had to watch the fight on an RTE stream, which to be fair worked better than most streaming options at the time :lol:

One of the best fights -- and atmospheres as you say -- that I've witnessed over the past ten years.
I lived in Dublin back then and went to watch Dunne vs Kiko, that was easily the best to worst change in atmosphere I’ve ever experienced in boxing.
 
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@dkos, onthis day Clay got the decision, but never in a million years did he beat Liston. retire on his stool in a title fight, no way. . Then get knocked out by Ali who was never a one punch merchant. Liston, after his last fight with Ali had Fourteen fights, all won by K/O or stoppage,until he was stopped at the age of forty by Leotis Martin. Agreat fighter, totally ruled by the Mafia, who decided who he fought and who he defeated or lost to . I stood by his grave in Las Vegas which is well kept. Regards Mervyn the Gee
Ali was a couple of levels above Liston and always was Merv. Ali is the GOAT heavyweight whereas Liston is somewhere between 12-15.
 
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@Boxalot,totally disagree with you , Ali was, in my opinion vastly over-rated, and for you to suggest that Liston was 12-15 is a joke. . Joe Louis is without doubt far superior to Ali, as previously stated Norton beat him Three times but only got one official verdict, to suggest he knocked out Liston with one punch is again a joke, Liston was "owned" by the Mafia and it was they who decided if it was in their best interests for Liston to lose. Look at his record 50-4-0 39 wins by K/O, 3 losses by K/O. The record books will say that Ali beat him twice, but I believe that Liston was ordered to lose those fights. Regards Mervyn The Gee
 
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@Boxalot,totally disagree with you , Ali was, in my opinion vastly over-rated, and for you to suggest that Liston was 12-15 is a joke. . Joe Louis is without doubt far superior to Ali, as previously stated Norton beat him Three times but only got one official verdict, to suggest he knocked out Liston with one punch is again a joke, Liston was "owned" by the Mafia and it was they who decided if it was in their best interests for Liston to lose. Look at his record 50-4-0 39 wins by K/O, 3 losses by K/O. The record books will say that Ali beat him twice, but I believe that Liston was ordered to lose those fights. Regards Mervyn The Gee
Liston has two attempts to beat Ali and was comprehensively destroyed on two occasions. Ali best far superior opponents to those who Louis managed to defeat.

I think you really overrate Liston to be honest, if you look at the opposition he beat it’s nowhere near as good as Ali, Holyfield, Lewis etc. I respect your opinion though of course.
 

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@Boxfan, Liston was not comprehensively destroyed on two occasions by Ali. A li was never a one punch artist, and to even think that he genuinely knocked out Liston in the second fight is a joke. Louis beat every opponent that he had to face and also lost to others, to suggest that his list of opponents is inferior to Ali"s is totally unfair. Herb Silver , who was he when Ali fought him? R egards Mervyn The Gee
 

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@dkos, onthis day Clay got the decision, but never in a million years did he beat Liston. retire on his stool in a title fight, no way. . Then get knocked out by Ali who was never a one punch merchant. Liston, after his last fight with Ali had Fourteen fights, all won by K/O or stoppage,until he was stopped at the age of forty by Leotis Martin. Agreat fighter, totally ruled by the Mafia, who decided who he fought and who he defeated or lost to . I stood by his grave in Las Vegas which is well kept. Regards Mervyn the Gee

The second fight raised some questions undoubtedly, gee.

But in the first fight, Ali systematically outboxed Sonny from almost the opening bell.

He brought a style and a speed that neither Sonny nor anyone else at the time had witnessed. Highly unorthodox in terms of the norms of the sport at the time (or since, save perhaps Roy Jones), but totally befuddling to Liston.

In the fourth round, Liston or his trainer, purposefully or accidentally, introduced a chemical into Ali's eye by way of Liston's gloves, and for a brief spell, Ali was blinded and contemplated quitting. But after Angelo washed out the irritant and the young fella could see again, he took up where he left off and ended Sonny's championship career.

The mafia had no stake in Ali (Clay, at that point). Sonny may or may not have been able to continue. He definitely did hurt his shoulder during the bout.
But he had no answer for the new man and was getting embarrassed. It was mostly after the second (questionable) bout that questions were raised about the first bout. And when Liston KO'd Patterson in one round, similar murmurings were heard about a 'fix.'

Sonny should have had a longer reign and would have if he'd gotten his title shot earlier. He was better than either Archie or Floyd or anybody either of them ever faced. But you know how America was back then and how Sonny's brushes with the law were viewed.

One of the most woebegone sights was Charles Liston arriving home to Philadelphia after winning the title to.....nothing.
No crowd, no fanfare. unacknowledged.

And a few years later, a sad finale to the career and life of a great champion.
 
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@Boxfan, Liston was not comprehensively destroyed on two occasions by Ali. A li was never a one punch artist, and to even think that he genuinely knocked out Liston in the second fight is a joke. Louis beat every opponent that he had to face and also lost to others, to suggest that his list of opponents is inferior to Ali"s is totally unfair. Herb Silver , who was he when Ali fought him? R egards Mervyn The Gee
It’s not unfair, it’s a fact. Joe Louis simply never beat heavyweights on the level of Frazier, Foreman, Liston etc.
 

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"Boxfan,How about this list,? Walcott,Charles,Schmelling,Sharkey, Braddock,Conn, Farr,Buddy Baer, and Max Baer, you reckon all these are " bums"? all these were genuine contenders. Regards Mervyn The Gee