P4P list--End of 2018 (Post Yours)

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These usually bring some conversation. Has CHB done a p4p list in a while? Anyways, here is something I pulled out the top of my head.

1. Usyk
2. Sor Rungvisai
3. Alvarez
4. Lomachenko
5. Crawford
6. Golovkin
7. Mikey
8. Inoue
9. Santa Cruz
10. Nietes

Top 5 seem to all be interchangeable, but I think resume trumps eye-test. I had Alvarez losing to Golovkin twice, but I go with official results when making these or else they get crazy.

*Ring P4P*

1. Lomachenko
2. Crawford
3. Alvarez
4. Usyk
5. Golovkin
6. Inoue
7. Mikey
8. Sor Rungvisai
9. Spence Jr.
10. Nietes

*TBRB*

1. Lomachenko
2. Crawford
3. Usyk
4. Sor Rungvisai
5. Inoue
6. Mikey
7. Alvarez
8. Golovkin
9. Santa Cruz
10. Joshua

*ESPN*

1. Lomachenko
2. Crawford
3. Alvarez
4. Golovkin
5. Spence Jr.
6. Mikey
7. Inoue
8. Sor Rungvisai
9. Usyk
10. Joshua

Maybe we should make a dedicated p4p list or something.
 

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These usually bring some conversation. Has CHB done a p4p list in a while? Anyways, here is something I pulled out the top of my head.

1. Usyk
2. Sor Rungvisai
3. Alvarez
4. Lomachenko
5. Crawford
6. Golovkin
7. Mikey
8. Inoue
9. Santa Cruz
10. Nietes

Top 5 seem to all be interchangeable, but I think resume trumps eye-test. I had Alvarez losing to Golovkin twice, but I go with official results when making these or else they get crazy.

*Ring P4P*

1. Lomachenko
2. Crawford
3. Alvarez
4. Usyk
5. Golovkin
6. Inoue
7. Mikey
8. Sor Rungvisai
9. Spence Jr.
10. Nietes

*TBRB*

1. Lomachenko
2. Crawford
3. Usyk
4. Sor Rungvisai
5. Inoue
6. Mikey
7. Alvarez
8. Golovkin
9. Santa Cruz
10. Joshua

*ESPN*

1. Lomachenko
2. Crawford
3. Alvarez
4. Golovkin
5. Spence Jr.
6. Mikey
7. Inoue
8. Sor Rungvisai
9. Usyk
10. Joshua

Maybe we should make a dedicated p4p list or something.
A bit weird to me for Usyk to be ranked in a p4p list above several fighters who have won titles in different weight classes. He unified the only division he has fought in... To put him above Crawford, for example, who completely unified one division and titled in 2 others ... is funky
 
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A bit weird to me for Usyk to be ranked in a p4p list above several fighters who have won titles in different weight classes. He unified the only division he has fought in... To put him above Crawford, for example, who completely unified one division and titled in 2 others ... is funky
This discussion has always came up indeed on this topic.
It always goes to the quality you beat rather than titles since they have been watered down to the point of nothingness.
Broner is a 3 division champ if you will but surely that is not more impressive than say Sergio Martinez s middleweight reign.
 
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These usually bring some conversation. Has CHB done a p4p list in a while? Anyways, here is something I pulled out the top of my head.

1. Usyk
2. Sor Rungvisai
3. Alvarez
4. Lomachenko
5. Crawford
6. Golovkin
7. Mikey
8. Inoue
9. Santa Cruz
10. Nietes

Top 5 seem to all be interchangeable, but I think resume trumps eye-test. I had Alvarez losing to Golovkin twice, but I go with official results when making these or else they get crazy.

*Ring P4P*

1. Lomachenko
2. Crawford
3. Alvarez
4. Usyk
5. Golovkin
6. Inoue
7. Mikey
8. Sor Rungvisai
9. Spence Jr.
10. Nietes

*TBRB*

1. Lomachenko
2. Crawford
3. Usyk
4. Sor Rungvisai
5. Inoue
6. Mikey
7. Alvarez
8. Golovkin
9. Santa Cruz
10. Joshua

*ESPN*

1. Lomachenko
2. Crawford
3. Alvarez
4. Golovkin
5. Spence Jr.
6. Mikey
7. Inoue
8. Sor Rungvisai
9. Usyk
10. Joshua

Maybe we should make a dedicated p4p list or something.
Seems weird to rate Canelo so high when you thought he lost both GGG fights. Are the rankings yours, based on what you have seen, or simply what you think they should be universally, based upon arbitrary results?
 

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This discussion has always came up indeed on this topic.
It always goes to the quality you beat rather than titles since they have been watered down to the point of nothingness.
Broner is a 3 division champ if you will but surely that is not more impressive than say Sergio Martinez s middleweight reign.
If Broner would have unified 3 or 4 belts of at least one of those divisions, we'd be talking about him here....but he lost those fights.
 
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Seems weird to rate Canelo so high when you thought he lost both GGG fights. Are the rankings yours, based on what you have seen, or simply what you think they should be universally, based upon arbitrary results?
As I said, I don't argue with official results unless they are so out of the ordinary. I also don't base it on arbitrary results. Arbitrary results would be me basing it off who I thought won.

For example, Canelo probably wouldn't even be on the list since I had him losing to Lara and GGG X2. I had GGG losing to Jacobs and Jacobs losing to Derevyanchenko. See, where does it end? I'm basing it off official decisions or else the list just becomes a clusterfuck. I will also concede that several thought Canelo won the second fight and drew in the first. Even though I thought Golovkin won clearly, this isn't Cave/Escandon-esque robbery where there is no possible way to have one guy beating the other.

So, Canelo is officially 1-0-1 with his p4p contemporary. On top of his resume, that's a very good accomplishment. He's was #1 at LMW and is now #1 at MW. That does deserve a high ranking. I mean you could also argue he's top 10 at SMW. I don't know where I'd rank him, though. I'd have to think about that one.
 
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A bit weird to me for Usyk to be ranked in a p4p list above several fighters who have won titles in different weight classes. He unified the only division he has fought in... To put him above Crawford, for example, who completely unified one division and titled in 2 others ... is funky
I strongly think Usyk or Sor Rungvisai should be the consensus p4p #1. Usyk unified and became undisputed in one of the strongest divisions in boxing. He cleaned out the division to where you can't argue that he didn't fight someone. He fought guys in their home and at their peak. Gassiev was a fucking monster, Briedis was a fucking monster, Glowacki is still a strong contender, Mchunu is still around, Hunter is now doing very well at HW, Bellew was coming into that fight with a career-best run. I actually had Briedis as a p4p fighter after his loss to Usyk (before his showing against Grevor). I mean these guys are still doing very well post-Usyk loss.

Sor Rungvisai is pretty much the same. Beat the p4p #1, ATG twice, and he beat a former p4p fighter in Estrada. They're neck and neck, but Usyk's run is more recent which is why I have him ahead. Sor Rungvisai hasn't been fighting at the level of Usyk post-Estrada.

I mean look at the depth and the fact that Usyk's wins are still growing. You can't say the same about Crawford who unified a weak division, titled in a weak division, and is currently in a strong division where he's not fighting the best. Who on Crawford's resume is still a top 10 fighter, what's his best win, Viktor Postol? That's not a strong resume at all.

As someone mentioned, unifying a weak division is not as good as unifying a strong one.
 
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A bit weird to me for Usyk to be ranked in a p4p list above several fighters who have won titles in different weight classes. He unified the only division he has fought in... To put him above Crawford, for example, who completely unified one division and titled in 2 others ... is funky
Usyk pretty much cleared out his division, which also happened to be far more stacked than the divisions Crawford won titles at. Have Crawford clean out Welter, and he would undoubtedly be number 1.
 
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Why do you have Sor Rungvisai so high?
He beat the p4p #1, stopped him in their rematch, and he beat another p4p-level fighter in Estrada. Gonzalez was #1 when he got beat then relegated to #6-10 (from what I remember on other forums) when he got stopped. Estrada was as high as #5 p4p at one point to arguably bottom 10 p4p when he lost to Sor Rungvisai. Also, I know some people thought Gonzalez won the first fight, but I'm going by official results, unless the robbery is just so damn blatant.

I mean who else on this list has beaten two p4p fighters?
 
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Surprised to see Joshua on the list. I'd probably have Estrada higher than him if I were to include Estrada, who is a choice I wouldn't mind over Nietes and Santa Cruz. I think Santa Cruz defeated better fighters than Joshua and Nietes' longevity is super impressive even if his resume is lacking that one big win (which he might get over New Years).

I don't think much of the HW division at the moment, though, but maybe you can change my mind.
 

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Surprised to see Joshua on the list. I'd probably have Estrada higher than him if I were to include Estrada, who is a choice I wouldn't mind over Nietes and Santa Cruz. I think Santa Cruz defeated better fighters than Joshua and Nietes' longevity is super impressive even if his resume is lacking that one big win (which he might get over New Years).

I don't think much of the HW division at the moment, though, but maybe you can change my mind.
I would have Estrada higher but honestly, he hasn’t been looking too great lately against opponents he should be handling with ease. Santa Cruz I wouldn’t argue at all being in the top ten to be completely honest. Joshua is the clear number one Heavy for me at the moment, but ya I wouldn’t argue if you replaced him with Santa Cruz.
 
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Vasiliy Lomachenko
Terence Crawford
Saul Alvarez
Gennady Golovkin
Naoya Inoue
Mikey Garcia
Sor Rungvisai
Donnie Nietes
Errol Spence Jr
 
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I would have Estrada higher but honestly, he hasn’t been looking too great lately against opponents he should be handling with ease. Santa Cruz I wouldn’t argue at all being in the top ten to be completely honest. Joshua is the clear number one Heavy for me at the moment, but ya I wouldn’t argue if you replaced him with Santa Cruz.
Yeah, Estrada has been looking past prime, and he's not done enough as of late. 9-10 is really hard. I'd probably have Briedis up there, but going close/losing to Grevor is really, really bad. His last performance before Grevor was also really bad, but I thought it was an off-night. Not sure what happened to Briedis. He looked brilliant pre-Usyk.

What do you think about Gvozdyk or Berchelt? I actually wouldn't mind seeing either in the top 10. Maybe Berchelt is pushing it, though.
 
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By the way, needs more p4p lists. C'mon guys. These are usually fun to argue around or read arguments areound them.
 
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Oleksandr Usyk
Vasiliy Lomachenko
Terence Crawford
Saul Alvarez
Gennady Golovkin
Naoya Inoue
Mikey Garcia
Sor Rungvisai
Donnie Nietes
Errol Spence Jr
I think Sor Rungvisai is criminally low on yours. I mean he beat 2 p4p fighters. I wouldn't argue the rest, though. I probably wouldn't have Spence Jr. at #10 too, but I wouldn't argue with someone having him there. I think 9-10 is just up to preference.
 

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Yeah, Estrada has been looking past prime, and he's not done enough as of late. 9-10 is really hard. I'd probably have Briedis up there, but going close/losing to Grevor is really, really bad. His last performance before Grevor was also really bad, but I thought it was an off-night. Not sure what happened to Briedis. He looked brilliant pre-Usyk.

What do you think about Gvozdyk or Berchelt? I actually wouldn't mind seeing either in the top 10. Maybe Berchelt is pushing it, though.
Both definitely are close, one more solid win by either one and I wouldn’t have a problem including them. Especially when you consider that they’re both in very deep divisions at the moment.
 
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I think Sor Rungvisai is criminally low on yours. I mean he beat 2 p4p fighters. I wouldn't argue the rest, though. I probably wouldn't have Spence Jr. at #10 too, but I wouldn't argue with someone having him there. I think 9-10 is just up to preference.
Just getting them down to 10 was hard enough.
 
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1: Usyk
2: Crawford
3: Lomachenko
4: GGG
5: Canelo
6: Rungvisai
7: Mikey
8: Inoue
9: Joshua
10: Spence