P4P Lists - Do they have any value?

TheBoxingMadMan

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To my mind, P4P lists are very subjective. Kellerman's P4P lists seems to have caused some ripples in boxing circles.

Robert Portis has his say, then lists his top 12. I think Kellerman is much nearer the mark than Portis.


The Portis Pound-For-Pound
By Robert Portis · On April 6, 2019

The other week Max Kellerman, currently pugilism’s premier talking head, released his new, updated pound-for-pound rankings and it sent all the hardcore boxing geeks into a tizzy. For those innocent souls less familiar with the strange phenomenon, pound-for-pound lists are a completely subjective ranking of the best competitors in this so-called sport, regardless of weight, hence the term “pound-for-pound.” It’s a bit like that game you played as a kid where you’d debate with your friends if a lion could kill a tiger, or a gorilla could beat up a bear, except it’s undertaken by grown men and debated in great seriousness.

Because boxing suffers from a chronic paucity of meaningful matches and competition, these lists have taken on a greater importance than they otherwise should. But what better way to fill the void as champions defend their dubious world titles once or twice a year, and the best keep avoiding the best, than by having an ongoing debate comparing the skills of boxers who can never fight each other?

Suffice to say, I don’t have much use for “pound-for-pound” rankings and neither, in my opinion, should anyone else who is the least bit serious about boxing. I also don’t have much use for Max Kellerman, a commentator who veers between occasionally dropping solid facts about boxing history and (more often) uttering the kind of confounding, jargon-laded horseshit that’s so pretentious it makes your eyes water.

But I should give credit where it’s due: Max has honed a unique talent for verbalizing bilge water with such self-regard and conviction that he can no doubt count on high-paying shill gigs from now until well after I’m six feet under. He’s a self-made bullshit artist, starting off on public-access TV before going on to HBO, and now following in the footsteps of clowns like Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith. That is no small feat; I know I couldn’t do it.

Now Max’s current task is to try and keep mainstream sports fans half-way interested in pugilism from his new soapbox on ESPN, hence his recent “pound-for-pound” list, which has garnered far more attention than it could possibly deserve. Here’s his take on who are the best boxers on the planet, regardless of size and weight:



The thing which apparently got some people riled up — and by “people” I mean diehard boxing nerds who don’t have a life — is that Kellerman has elevated Errol Spence Jr. — fresh off a pointlessly one sided win over Mikey Garcia — all the way up to (gasp) number four. “Whaaat???” shouted a mob of fight freaks as they stared slack-jawed at their computer screens. “That is insane!!!” And off they went to Reddit and Facebook or wherever else they could babble back-and-forth in a frenzy as if any of this matters to anyone other than a tiny tribe of self-styled boxing “experts.”

Personally I couldn’t care less about Max’s ranking, because, as I say, such lists are all hypothetical bullcrap to begin with. But having stated that, it occurs to me that The Fight City has never offered up its own pound-for-pound lists, in part because we defer to the good people at the Transnational Rankings Board. But the more I thought about Max’s list, and the more, despite myself, that I listened to the inane chatter of numerous boxing nerds, the greater the desire to offer up my two cents on this weighty topic. Because truth be told, I don’t see any pound-for-pound lists out there, not one, that I can really get behind.

So here ya go, fight freaks, the Portis Pound-For-Pound list, and not a Top Ten either, but as befits The Fight City, a full-bore Top 12. So buckle up, folks. Because if Kellerman’s list elevated your blood pressure, mine might give you a stroke.


Lists his top 12 and explains why - https://www.thefightcity.com/pound-for-pound-portis-boxing/
 
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His top 12 to save people a click:

  1. Gennady Golovkin
  2. Vasyl Lomachenko
  3. Oleksandr Usyk
  4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
  5. Terence Crawford
  6. Naoya Inoue
  7. Errol Spence Jr.
  8. Tyson Fury
  9. Manny Pacquiao
  10. Josh Warrington
  11. Sergey Kovalev
  12. Juan Francisco Estrada
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The problem with most p4p lists is that most of them actually look like its a troll

Spence is not top 5 p4p I dont know why people are rushing to put him so high, he has 2 big rivals in his division (Thurman and Crawford) if he beats 1 of them he deserves to go top 5, if he beats both top 3 but people want him to be high so bad right now
 

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His top 12 to save people a click:

  1. Gennady Golovkin
  2. Vasyl Lomachenko
  3. Oleksandr Usyk
  4. Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
  5. Terence Crawford
  6. Naoya Inoue
  7. Errol Spence Jr.
  8. Tyson Fury
  9. Manny Pacquiao
  10. Josh Warrington
  11. Sergey Kovalev
  12. Juan Francisco Estrada
:sad5
That is pure shit.

No Canelo? Warrington? Fury?

Wow!
 
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The problem with most p4p lists is that most of them actually look like its a troll

Spence is not top 5 p4p I dont know why people are rushing to put him so high, he has 2 big rivals in his division (Thurman and Crawford) if he beats 1 of them he deserves to go top 5, if he beats both top 3 but people want him to be high so bad right now
IF Khan beats Crawford, does he enter the P4P list?
 

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GGG at #1, but Canelo -- his best opponent/most credible reason for being #1 -- can't even get into the top 12 :think
Makes no sense.

Dead right when he said this - "Suffice to say, I don’t have much use for “pound-for-pound” rankings and neither, in my opinion, should anyone else who is the least bit serious about boxing." - no use for P4P rankings so he just makes up a shit one.

Doesn't do anything for the credibility of 'thefightcity'.
 
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IF Khan beats Crawford, does he enter the P4P list?
Yeah I got Crawford top 3 so somewhere between 5-10, he cant go top 5 because that is a shocking upset it means Crawford isnt as good as we thought lol but its still a p4p win

P4p lists are hard but when guys like Spence dont have a signature win and theres actually p4p competition in his division we should wait
 
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People just pick fighters who’s styles they like. There’s no way it’s possible to have Crawford as number one if you take into account resume. He’s not even got one top drawer victory.
 
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IF Khan beats Crawford, does he enter the P4P list?
For me he wouldn't. It should take more than one high level victory to enter the p4p top 10. Khan's form going into this fight is hardly spectacular and you would have to question Crawford ever having had a place on the list if he managed to lose to Khan at this stage of both guys respective careers.
 
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Seeing as we're talking about P4P lists, here's Johnny Nelson's top five:
  1. Oleksandr Usyk
  2. Canelo Alvarez
  3. Vasyl Lomachenko
  4. Gervonta Davis :lol:
  5. Terence Crawford
 
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Seeing as we're talking about P4P lists, here's Johnny Nelson's top five:
  1. Oleksandr Usyk
  2. Canelo Alvarez
  3. Vasyl Lomachenko
  4. Gervonta Davis :lol:
  5. Terence Crawford
He's right on four there there but I wouldn't have Vasyl Lomachenko in the mix. :lol:
 
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I'd have to question everything I thought I knew on boxing if Khan upsets Crawford.
I hear what you're saying but on 10th February 1990 the whole world said the same thing about Jim Douglas and Mike Tyson. Look what happened there.