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Both are great, imo. Just do as much of it as you can, I haven’t been since Feb due to Covid regs and it’s so frustrating.

Keep us updated on your progress as well. It’s one of those sports where you feel like you’ve made no improvement whatsoever until a new lad starts 4 months later and you smash them.
Yeah I want to try no-gi at some point anyway but since I bought a gi I better fucking use it.

I'll report any progress for sure. If we use my progress in lifting as a benchmark, you should expect to hear from me in about 9 months when I've finally learnt one sweep and I'll probably follow up again in about 4 years when I've learnt my first sub.
 
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Yeah I want to try no-gi at some point anyway but since I bought a gi I better fucking use it.

I'll report any progress for sure. If we use my progress in lifting as a benchmark, you should expect to hear from me in about 9 months when I've finally learnt one sweep and I'll probably follow up again in about 4 years when I've learnt my first sub.


You’ll still be ahead of me.
 
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3.57 mile run done in 29:12, felt good, had to keep trying to not go to fast and keep above 8 min mile splits, 2 days ago I could bare hit 8 min mile with what felt like a lot more effort and today I had to stop myself from going at that pace. Weird how one day a run feels like a lot of effort and then another day it feels like no effort at all.
 
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Second lesson of bjj there. Had a roll for the first time, started against my 108kg powerlifter friend. Needless to say couldn't budge him and ended up getting cramp in my hamstring from trying to bridge him off me.

Then with another guy I thought I turned into an Olympic wrestler and tried using my neck to stop him sweeping me off him. Almost snapped myself in half there.

Probably in the top 100 bjj players now though.
 
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Second lesson of bjj there. Had a roll for the first time, started against my 108kg powerlifter friend. Needless to say couldn't budge him and ended up getting cramp in my hamstring from trying to bridge him off me.

Then with another guy I thought I turned into an Olympic wrestler and tried using my neck to stop him sweeping me off him. Almost snapped myself in half there.

Probably in the top 100 bjj players now though.
Please don't injure yourself early and never go back.
 
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Second lesson of bjj there. Had a roll for the first time, started against my 108kg powerlifter friend. Needless to say couldn't budge him and ended up getting cramp in my hamstring from trying to bridge him off me.

Then with another guy I thought I turned into an Olympic wrestler and tried using my neck to stop him sweeping me off him. Almost snapped myself in half there.

Probably in the top 100 bjj players now though.
I always try and remember 2-3 points I get completely stuck during a roll and go on Youtube that night just for ideas. It’s difficult to choose 2-3 when I’ve struggled for an entire hour, but every little helps.

I always have more luck with this mount escape than the elbow/knee/shrimp one...


It’s simple to learn and also seemed to fully plant the entire principle of sweeps for me. Control the limb(s) that can post and then roll the opponent in that direction.
 
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I always try and remember 2-3 points I get completely stuck during a roll and go on Youtube that night just for ideas. It’s difficult to choose 2-3 when I’ve struggled for an entire hour, but every little helps.

I always have more luck with this mount escape than the elbow/knee/shrimp one...


It’s simple to learn and also seemed to fully plant the entire principle of sweeps for me. Control the limb(s) that can post and then roll the opponent in that direction.
Yeah, that's a good idea I'll check that video later. We were taught one mount escape and an Americana from top mount. So the rolls were basically the top guy going for Americanas and bottom trying to bridge out. That made it a bit weird tbh as you knew what the other guy wanted to do. Even though I knew this I still couldn't help going full retard.
 
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I had a roll with a purple belt from another gym today and I really wasn't impressed, technique-wise. He was a nice guy and we had a decent roll, but he had no idea what a heel hook looked like, he was amazed when I went for a knee bar straight from a half-guard sweep. I guess if you come from a gym with a heavy emphasis on competition then you're not going to see that stuff (I completely disagree with this), as it's only recently been made legal at purple belt and above. But then there was other stuff, like not having any decent nogi subs from mount, at one point he went for an armbar the wrong way (I thought he was going for a cutting armbar or an omoplata but he even said "shit, wrong way"). I'm judging him pretty hard, I have no idea if he's taken a bunch of time off or what, and like I said, he was a nice guy and we got a bunch of decent rounds in.
 
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I had a roll with a purple belt from another gym today and I really wasn't impressed, technique-wise. He was a nice guy and we had a decent roll, but he had no idea what a heel hook looked like, he was amazed when I went for a knee bar straight from a half-guard sweep. I guess if you come from a gym with a heavy emphasis on competition then you're not going to see that stuff (I completely disagree with this), as it's only recently been made legal at purple belt and above. But then there was other stuff, like not having any decent nogi subs from mount, at one point he went for an armbar the wrong way (I thought he was going for a cutting armbar or an omoplata but he even said "shit, wrong way"). I'm judging him pretty hard, I have no idea if he's taken a bunch of time off or what, and like I said, he was a nice guy and we got a bunch of decent rounds in.

:lol: We haven’t even got any white belts that’d go for an armbar the wrong way.

I rarely try armbars from mount tbh, I’m so sloppy at them I feel like I telegraph it so early on and give them a good chance of escaping as I go from s mount to putting the sub on. I have more luck with triangles from mount, tbh.

I’d say my ‘go to’ mount subs are head and arm, or an ezekiel (but they’re normally slippery no-gi).
 
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:lol: We haven’t even got any white belts that’d go for an armbar the wrong way.
Yeah, that was kinda the point where I went from "he must've had a long time off" to, "who the fuck graded this guy?"

I mean purple is a pretty advanced belt and he had no idea about stuff that a 2 or 3 stripe white belt should be intimately familiar with.
 
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Yeah, that was kinda the point where I went from "he must've had a long time off" to, "who the fuck graded this guy?"

I mean purple is a pretty advanced belt and he had no idea about stuff that a 2 or 3 stripe white belt should be intimately familiar with.
Purple belt is my absolute ultimate life goal. I’ll never make black belt but purple means you know a decent amount.
 
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I’ll never make black belt
Not with that attitude.

A black belt is just a white belt that never quit and all that bullshit.

But seriously, if you can make it to purple, you'll make it to black. Just don't quit at blue like literally everyone else.
 
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I had a roll with a purple belt from another gym today and I really wasn't impressed, technique-wise. He was a nice guy and we had a decent roll, but he had no idea what a heel hook looked like, he was amazed when I went for a knee bar straight from a half-guard sweep. I guess if you come from a gym with a heavy emphasis on competition then you're not going to see that stuff (I completely disagree with this), as it's only recently been made legal at purple belt and above. But then there was other stuff, like not having any decent nogi subs from mount, at one point he went for an armbar the wrong way (I thought he was going for a cutting armbar or an omoplata but he even said "shit, wrong way"). I'm judging him pretty hard, I have no idea if he's taken a bunch of time off or what, and like I said, he was a nice guy and we got a bunch of decent rounds in.
This is kind of why I want to change gym already. I'm in a beginner class which has been taught by purple belts (is that even recommendable? I thought it should be brown minimum) and yesterday a blue belt came into the class. He got ragdolled by a white belt and from my untrained eye was struggling to do anything.

I read on the website they have a checklist of things you have to do in order to get to the next belt. Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't it be down to the head trainers discretion whether you get the belt or not? I didn't think there was any "do x amount of this to get to the next belt" in bjj?
 
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This is kind of why I want to change gym already. I'm in a beginner class which has been taught by purple belts (is that even recommendable? I thought it should be brown minimum) and yesterday a blue belt came into the class. He got ragdolled by a white belt and from my untrained eye was struggling to do anything.

I read on the website they have a checklist of things you have to do in order to get to the next belt. Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't it be down to the head trainers discretion whether you get the belt or not? I didn't think there was any "do x amount of this to get to the next belt" in bjj?
Grading criteria is one of the biggest weird taboo subjects in BJJ.

Having a purple belt teach a beginners class is (or should be) fine. A purple belt generally is just a black belt that needs to put in more time and tighten up his game. Their fundamentals should be more than solid enough to teach techniques to a bunch of white belts up to 3 or 4 stripes.

But, things have changed. Standards are much lower now than they were even 5-10 years ago. Not only that, but it's so erratic now. I know relatively fresh blue belts that are absolute killers, this purple belt guy wasn't the first purple I've rolled with that didn't exactly blow my socks off. One of the guys I train with at judo has started going to a very well respected BJJ gym and he said the same thing, the variation even among the white belts was extreme.

All that being said, grading in BJJ is entirely up to the coach. Affiliations will usually have their own syllabus and criteria, some are really transparent, some are really not. It's a pretty regularly discussed issue in the BJJ community. What happens if you get a black belt judo national champion walk through your door and want to train BJJ. Do you start them at white belt? They'll smash everyone up to your higher blues and give the purples as much as they can handle. What about a D1 wrestler? He knows fuck all about submissions, but good luck holding the cunt down long enough to choke him. He's a white belt, but he's not really a white belt.

And then of course, there's this cunt:

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Grading criteria is one of the biggest weird taboo subjects in BJJ.

Having a purple belt teach a beginners class is (or should be) fine. A purple belt generally is just a black belt that needs to put in more time and tighten up his game. Their fundamentals should be more than solid enough to teach techniques to a bunch of white belts up to 3 or 4 stripes.

But, things have changed. Standards are much lower now than they were even 5-10 years ago. Not only that, but it's so erratic now. I know relatively fresh blue belts that are absolute killers, this purple belt guy wasn't the first purple I've rolled with that didn't exactly blow my socks off. One of the guys I train with at judo has started going to a very well respected BJJ gym and he said the same thing, the variation even among the white belts was extreme.

All that being said, grading in BJJ is entirely up to the coach. Affiliations will usually have their own syllabus and criteria, some are really transparent, some are really not. It's a pretty regularly discussed issue in the BJJ community. What happens if you get a black belt judo national champion walk through your door and want to train BJJ. Do you start them at white belt? They'll smash everyone up to your higher blues and give the purples as much as they can handle. What about a D1 wrestler? He knows fuck all about submissions, but good luck holding the cunt down long enough to choke him. He's a white belt, but he's not really a white belt.

And then of course, there's this cunt:

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So what you're saying is, it shouldn't matter? I dunno, it just sounded kinda cookie cutter ish when they list the grading criteria for each belt. It's in Finnish and I can't read it properly, but it seems as if after 20 hours of training you might be able to get a blue belt :lol: I mean, that's just wrong, even I know that.

There's another gym who's trainer has his black belt from Fabio Gurgel and I'm pretty keen to change to that gym, tbh. If I'm gonna do this long term I might as well try get the best training possible.
 
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So what you're saying is, it shouldn't matter? I dunno, it just sounded kinda cookie cutter ish when they list the grading criteria for each belt. It's in Finnish and I can't read it properly, but it seems as if after 20 hours of training you might be able to get a blue belt :lol: I mean, that's just wrong, even I know that.

There's another gym who's trainer has his black belt from Fabio Gurgel and I'm pretty keen to change to that gym, tbh. If I'm gonna do this long term I might as well try get the best training possible.

A Gurgel black belt will definitely know their stuff.

As @Primate said, the standards between belts are so fucking variable from club to club, which is a good reason not to worry about grading quickly. I can’t imagine anything more embarrassing than being a purple belt, going to train at another club, and being completely outclassed by a 1 stripe blue belt of the same weight.
 
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Not with that attitude.

A black belt is just a white belt that never quit and all that bullshit.

But seriously, if you can make it to purple, you'll make it to black. Just don't quit at blue like literally everyone else.
I just think you really need to put consistent hours in to reach black belt. I very rarely get to class more than 5-6 times in a month and I haven’t been since Feb due to all the Covid bollocks, so by the time it all clears up I’ll basically be starting from scratch.
 
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A Gurgel black belt will definitely know their stuff.

As @Primate said, the standards between belts are so fucking variable from club to club, which is a good reason not to worry about grading quickly. I can’t imagine anything more embarrassing than being a purple belt, going to train at another club, and being completely outclassed by a 1 stripe blue belt of the same weight.
Yeah I'm not really worried about grading, I'm so far off even being a white belt so it's not really in my mind about belts and shit. It's just whether the gym is handing out belts to anyone and not really giving them the right training is my worry. Like I don't want to be walking around as a blue belt and be a one stripe white belt in comparison to other gyms. Just not a good look as you say.