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Death penalty should come back. I'd be more inclined to apply this to "career criminals" than to some cunt who killed someone in a fit of rage. Sick of seeing "man with x amount of convictions let free on some bullshit grounds". Just take these people out the back and shoot them. Instant improvement.
 
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I was going to post this the other day but decided against it because I can't be arsed getting into a long debate, but after the Christchurch attacks, it's brought it back to me. I firmly believe that the media we consume now is having a massively detrimental effect on society. I know people will always say "people were against punk" and so on, but it's never been as extreme and easy to access as it is now, particularly for people at a formulative age. If you were a 12 year old listening to the Sex Pistols, it might have made you a bit of a knob but that's about it. If you're a 12 year old now, watching extreme porn, extreme violence and listening to extreme music, it's a completely different ballpark.

The first thing I thought after seeing the NZ attack was how similar it was to PUBG, the only game I play. Just walking into a room, gunning people down and it's nothing to us. We're desensitized towards violence and even though I was somewhat traumatised to seeing the video, I don't think it resonates as much as it should just because we're so used to seeing this sort of violence except it's not real. If someone had told you "this isn't real" prior to watching that video, nobody would have blinked an eye, so it goes to show that the act of violence is no longer shocking to anyone anymore and I don't think that's a good thing.

I just worry about the strength of a society that has lost it's boundaries. I don't think it's beneficial at all to be exposed to such extremes and whilst the majority will be perfectly fine citizens, you're giving the potential murderers, rapists, gang members etc. all the fuel they need to further their thoughts and desires.

Having said this though, I'm not in favour of censorship. I just think that society would be better if we were able to self police, didn't always search for shock value and then didn't need to regret having such loose standards.
 
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I don't say those people were shot, I say he waited until someone else had shown up their flaws and beaten them before he took them on. I think he was incredible, but he could have dared to put it all on the line and fight guys at their peak when many doubted the outcome. How many of the big names did he beat where he was even close to being the underdog or it seen as a close fight? A few...Corrales, Hatton (by some deluded people) and who else? Later on, that was because PBF seemed too good, but he chose to take people on later than he should have.

Same criticism in a way goes to RJJ. He should have fought Dariusz even if it meant going to Europe...just go and batter him (as he would have done) at the height of his powers, come over and wipe the floor with Collins or Eubank at their best. There are fighters who truly want to fight the best and there are those who allow obsessions with their worth or who should call the shots to slightly get in the way. With PBF...I don't he feared anyone, but I think he feared losing the 0 and not being able to retire undefeated, and it brought in a level of cautiousness that is a blot on an amazing record.
I believe Mosley and Oscar strategically had the fights at those times with Mayweather. Mosley is on record as having not wanted it in the early 2000s and Mayweather conceded a large size advantage to Oscar at 154, when Floyd was still growing into 147. Arum dictated the delay and Pacquiao generally took orders and didn’t actively make fights.

Ray Leonard arguably only beat a prime Hearns and Benitez, and Hearns was fairly inexperienced if that’s the level of scrutiny.
 
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I believe Mosley and Oscar strategically had the fights at those times with Mayweather. Mosley is on record as having not wanted it in the early 2000s and Mayweather conceded a large size advantage to Oscar at 154, when Floyd was still growing into 147. Arum dictated the delay and Pacquiao generally took orders and didn’t actively make fights.

Ray Leonard arguably only beat a prime Hearns and Benitez, and Hearns was fairly inexperienced if that’s the level of scrutiny.
Fair enough, and interesting point on Mosley. It is just the impression PBF gave for a large chunk of his career, and he spanned so many weight classes and there were so many elite rivals in several of those classes that it seems crazy he just happened to face them all after they had dipped or been beaten by another rival. SRL would have to have Hagler counted as prime. His last two wins were Hearns and Mugabi and he was not a visibly reduced version of the guy on the unstoppable run since winning the title.
 

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Fair enough, and interesting point on Mosley. It is just the impression PBF gave for a large chunk of his career, and he spanned so many weight classes and there were so many elite rivals in several of those classes that it seems crazy he just happened to face them all after they had dipped or been beaten by another rival. SRL would have to have Hagler counted as prime. His last two wins were Hearns and Mugabi and he was not a visibly reduced version of the guy on the unstoppable run since winning the title.
But like someone said, Mayweather had a habit of fighting guys coming off career best or at least huge wins. The Pac fight, the moment Floyd got Pac to himself away from Arum (that Basketball game), the fight got made. Arum came out with such tripe "need to build a stadium", and the utter rubbish about drug testing they came out with - it's so weird to see everyone assume it was Floyd causing the biggest issues.

I'm not saying Floyd was an innocent in everything, but people hold him to a different (and unfair) standard when it comes to making fights etc.
 
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But like someone said, Mayweather had a habit of fighting guys coming off career best or at least huge wins. The Pac fight, the moment Floyd got Pac to himself away from Arum (that Basketball game), the fight got made. Arum came out with such tripe "need to build a stadium", and the utter rubbish about drug testing they came out with - it's so weird to see everyone assume it was Floyd causing the biggest issues.

I'm not saying Floyd was an innocent in everything, but people hold him to a different (and unfair) standard when it comes to making fights etc.
Well Floyd publicly demanded drug tests, so it was hardly like he said let's do it and Arum said no we want tests.
 

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Well Floyd publicly demanded drug tests, so it was hardly like he said let's do it and Arum said no we want tests.
Right, that was poorly worded on my part.

As I remember it, Roach felt Floyd couldn't make weight any more, so put on a penalty of $1m for every lb Floyd was over the limit. Floyd shot back instantly with random blood/piss drug testing by USADA up until the day of the fight. At that point everything just ground to a halt, Team Arum gave about 50 reasons why they couldn't do that "scared of needles" (lol @ Pac's tattoos), "too weak after giving blood", and lots of other weird reasons - various cut off points that changed every other week. The negotiations were just muscle flexing up until that point, trying to score one over the other, it was only at that point that things just stopped completely.

Both were being OTT with the demands, but also were within their rights. Considering the nature of the sport, drug testing should be top of priorities anyway - peoples lives are at stake.
 
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Right, that was poorly worded on my part.

As I remember it, Roach felt Floyd couldn't make weight any more, so put on a penalty of $1m for every lb Floyd was over the limit. Floyd shot back instantly with random blood/piss drug testing by USADA up until the day of the fight. At that point everything just ground to a halt, Team Arum gave about 50 reasons why they couldn't do that "scared of needles" (lol @ Pac's tattoos), "too weak after giving blood", and lots of other weird reasons - various cut off points that changed every other week. The negotiations were just muscle flexing up until that point, trying to score one over the other, it was only at that point that things just stopped completely.

Both were being OTT with the demands, but also were within their rights. Considering the nature of the sport, drug testing should be top of priorities anyway - peoples lives are at stake.
Yeah I don't disagree. But to me it is indicative of a tone to much of Floyd's career post Corrales. There was pretty much no time he stepped in with someone seen as a killer or a monster who would be a big mountain to climb. Because all the guys who would have been seen to pose huge problems had already lost to others or visibly declined by the time he took them on. Some of that is no doubt just bad luck, but some of it isn't IMO.

And for the record, I think he beats all of them at any stage of their careers.
 
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I'm not saying Floyd was an innocent in everything, but people hold him to a different (and unfair) standard when it comes to making fights etc.
Compared to the other people around his weightclass in his era maybe but I dont think its unfair when you compare him to others in the kind of historical great or even GOAT levels which people put him in, he does fall short there in terms of fighting the best at their best.
 
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When Nick Foles is healthy (and not on a sh!t team with a sh!t coach), he's about as good as any QB that ever lived.
 

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We as a species need to go back to being mad, innovative and ambitious, just go mad and throw money at building a passenger plane which can get us to from the UK to Australia in less than 3 hours or a big fuck off colony spacecraft which can take us beyond the solar system rather than measure the costs against profit margins or how many teachers or baby incubators we can get.
 
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We as a species need to go back to being mad, innovative and ambitious, just go mad and throw money at building a passenger plane which can get us to from the UK to Australia in less than 3 hours or a big fuck off colony spacecraft which can take us beyond the solar system rather than measure the costs against profit margins or how many teachers or baby incubators we can get.
We did have Concorde. But yeah be nice have some billionaire nutter fund something without an eye on financial return.
 

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We did have Concorde. But yeah be nice have some billionaire nutter fund something without an eye on financial return.
We did indeed have Concorde, there was also the SR-71 Blackbird and the Saturn V rocket, the fastest passenger plane, the world fastest plane full stop and the machine which delivered men to the moon. Incredible machines all built in the 1960's, all should have been a stepping stone to something greater, we should have been to Mars a long time ago but they decided to build the Shuttle which in all honesty is just a delivery van.
 

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Voting should be limited to those who actually pay income taxes and the only exception should be for disabled vets.