Priti Patel should be the next PM

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Well, being Scottish and from a family of coal miners stretching back generations, from a working class mining area that was transformed into a run down unemployment black spot, I might have a certain biased perspective on the rancid old cunt, I guess.
I can relate to that. My understanding though was mining was being subsidized by the taxpayer and they had a very powerful trade union prone to striking on a whim like the Tube Drivers of today.

But I'm not tarring all miners with the same brush here. Like most of us many were just working class grafters caught in the crossfire. I'd never begrudge an honest working man.

Population of UK is 11 million people more now than when Thatcher is PM. You blaming the housing crisis on that and not 11 million extra people or Blair and Browns artificial boom by housing credit?
I think Thatcher sowed the seeds but Blair and Brown are far worse for what they did. And I don't think I'm wrong when I say that 11 million is just the official figure and probably vastly under the actual number.

Shit, border agency recently said they'd miscounted immigration figures for the last few years.

Those two completely and irreversibly ruined the the UK forever via their open doors immigration policy. Public services, housing availability and pricing, lowering wages and cultural destruction. I hope these two motherfuckers burn in hell.
 
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My parents took the pit redundancy and bought their house. Worked out well.

Can't understand why none of the governments after didn't build new houses for everyone councils sold?
Houses were sold at huge discounts they couldn't replace the ones they sold.

I know your folks got their home through the policy. Thing is so many people lie to get the council homes that exist out there and then buy them to sell for a profit.
 
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I can relate to that. My understanding though was mining was being subsidized by the taxpayer and they had a very powerful trade union prone to striking on a whim like the Tube Drivers of today.

But I'm not tarring all miners with the same brush here. Like most of us many were just working class grafters caught in the crossfire. I'd never begrudge an honest working man.
Absolutely it was, I wouldn't dispute that ultimately Thatcher was correct about the coal industry, underground mining had seen its day and was surviving on borrowed time, it's just those men had never done anything else (bar some service in the war) as their dad and his dad had done before them.

A lot of the men had as big a distaste for Scargill as they had a hatred for Thatcher and both are dirty words in that community for a lot of people, between *bungling the timing of strike action and cohorts of his running off with the miners money.

At the end of the day, it was the men in the mining towns who had to live off handouts, making money on the side and stealing coal throughout the strike... it tore families apart and men died for crossing the picket line.

* Thatcher had spent 1.5 - 2 years incentivising the coal board to overproduce and had built massive stockpiles, meanwhile she had also increased police resources and raised police salaries in that time. Scargill took the men on strike at the start of a hot summer, the government had all the coal they would need for a long time... most of this is 2nd hand accounts because I was still just a child in those days.

But in saying all that, professing any admiration for Thatcher or admitting to voting Tory could still get you a hiding in a pub in those towns to this day. :lol:
 
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Squire

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Well, being Scottish and from a family of coal miners stretching back generations, from a working class mining area that was transformed into a run down unemployment black spot, I might have a certain biased perspective on the rancid old cunt, I guess.
The problem is people don't leave areas when the jobs go. You hear about ghost towns in the US when manufacturing moves away, because the people up sticks and find work elsewhere. Here people just stay where they are, unemployed, complaining for the rest of their lives and contributing to their own town being run down.
 
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Alas we'll never see another like Thatcher but this indian slag seems like a proper old school tory which is something.
 
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The problem is people don't leave areas when the jobs go. You hear about ghost towns in the US when manufacturing moves away, because the people up sticks and find work elsewhere. Here people just stay where they are, unemployed, complaining for the rest of their lives and contributing to their own town being run down.
I remember the first day in history class in school, the history teacher asked everyone whose dad was a coal miner to put their hand up, just a couple put their hands up. He then told us “if I had asked that same question 15 years ago almost every hand in this class would have went up, he then told us that the primary goal of teachers in this school is to teach you to move and get out of this area ... told us all straight, there’s no future here for you.

I remember that vividly.

My bro is still In the coal industry, not down the pit anymore but open cast... they’re all back in private hands now but they struggle to stay profitable so every now and then he has to move to another company.
 

Davvers

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How else could that be meant? :think
Tell your boss or teacher she is just like Margaret Thatcher and you will get a slap across the chops.

You might as well call her an obnoxious old bitch and it would be less offensive.
 

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Population of UK is 11 million people more now than when Thatcher is PM. You blaming the housing crisis on that and not 11 million extra people or Blair and Browns artificial boom by housing credit?
Even If you consider the population increase, it's nowhere near enough to offset the decrease in social housing. Look up the availability of social housing now compared to pre Thatcher.

Sounds like you're trying really hard to take the Tory line again.

I'm still waiting for your defense of Tory austerity as well.
 

Clarence Worley

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Even If you consider the population increase, it's nowhere near enough to offset the decrease in social housing. Look up the availability of social housing now compared to pre Thatcher.

Sounds like you're trying really hard to take the Tory line again.

I'm still waiting for your defense of Tory austerity as well.
how do you measure this availability if not over population? there could be millions more houses and your point fails :lol:

legit question here............is telford a labour voting area like rovrum?

 
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Alas we'll never see another like Thatcher but this indian slag seems like a proper old school tory which is something.
She was actually a refugee from Uganda.

The type she'd leave to die in their home country now.
 

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Even If you consider the population increase, it's nowhere near enough to offset the decrease in social housing. Look up the availability of social housing now compared to pre Thatcher.

Sounds like you're trying really hard to take the Tory line again.

I'm still waiting for your defense of Tory austerity as well.
Nope I blame the housing crisis on all 3. Thatchers reorganisation of social housing which creates poverty ghettos, 11 million extra people and Blair and Browns housing credit bubble. I ain’t partisan to say it’s just one of the three like yourself.

Tory austerity is a myth. They never carried out the cuts they promised. Look at what they did and it matches with the Labour manifesto of 2010.
 
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Nope I blame the housing crisis on all 3. Thatchers reorganisation of social housing which creates poverty ghettos, 11 million extra people and Blair and Browns housing credit bubble. I ain’t partisan to say it’s just one of the three like yourself.

Tory austerity is a myth. They never carried out the cuts they promised. Look at what they did and it matches with the Labour manifesto of 2010.
Objectively false.

Just because they never carried out all the cuts they promised does not mean austerity did not exist or was a 'myth'. A quick glance and at the reduction in public spending shows this. All of the studies show that those at the bottom suffered by far the most from this austerity and every economist worst their salt regards it as a poor decision.

Referencing Labour's 2010 manifesto is a whataboutism and is irrelevant when analysing the Tories financial records.

Do you need me to take you to school on this?
 

Clarence Worley

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Objectively false.

Just because they never carried out all the cuts they promised does not mean austerity did not exist or was a 'myth'. A quick glance and at the reduction in public spending shows this. All of the studies show that those at the bottom suffered by far the most from this austerity and every economist worst their salt regards it as a poor decision.

Referencing Labour's 2010 manifesto is a whataboutism and is irrelevant when analysing the Tories financial records.

Do you need me to take you to school on this?
The concept that adding 11mil extra people would require extra housing is objectively false. :lol:

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TFG

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The concept that adding 11mil extra people would require extra housing is objectively false. :lol:

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What the fuck are you talking about? :lol:

Go back and read up the thread you fat dummy.

Give me some data on the migrants that are taking away social housing from people born here please.

The actual facts show that if immigration was haulted to zero tomorrow, new housebuilding would still fall way short of demand. Foreign nationald contribute about 8% towards new lettings and are way down on the list when it comes to getting social housing. Funnily enough, new housebuilding is also still relaint on EU immigration.