Ranking Career Opponents

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Cool thread. Someone off the top of my head was Danny Garcia:

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World class opponents: Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Lamont Peterson, Lucas Matthysse, Zab Judah, Amir Khan, Erik Morales (x2), Kendall Holt (?)

37 fights
9 world level fights=~24%

Was Kendall Holt a top 10 LWW when they fought, though? I know Morales was a top 10 the first time they fought, but I wasn't sure if he was top 10 the second time. This one might not be that conservative.
Not great with this period, but I know Morales was still considered top 10 by time of second fight - think after this his stock fell off. Will add to standings.
 
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Sugar Ray Robinson, 174-19-6

World Level


Sammy Angott (x3), Fritzie Zivic (x2), Norman Rubio, Marty Servo, Tony Motisi, Izzy Jannazzo, Jake LaMotta (x5), California Jackie Wilson, Henry Armstrong, Tommy Bell (x2), Jose Basora, Jimmy McDaniels, Georgie Abrams, Jimmy Doyle, Bernard Docusen, Kid Gavilan (x2), Steve Belloise, George Costner, Robert Villemain, Charley Fusari, Robert Villemain II, Randy Turpin (x2), Rocky Graziano, Joey Maxim, Rocky Castellani, Bobo Olson (x2), Gene Fullmer (x4), Carmen Basilio (x2), Paul Pender (x2), Denny Moyer (x2), Terry Downes, Ralph Dupas, Joey Giardello, Joey Archer.


199 fights
51 world level fights = 26%
 
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Slick Ric

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How does this scoring system account for the fact that back in the day there weren’t 17 different fucking weight classes with up to four “champions” in each one? Ray Robinson had 51 “world level” fights by your calculations, which puts him at only 26% and Lomachenko is like double that percentage wise based on today’s standards, but so what? Lomachenko is a superb boxer but does anyone seriously believe he’ll ever come close to Robinson in an ATG sense?
 
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How does this scoring system account for the fact that back in the day there weren’t 17 different fucking weight classes with up to four “champions” in each one? Ray Robinson had 51 “world level” fights by your calculations, which puts him at only 26% and Lomachenko is like double that percentage wise based on today’s standards, but so what? Lomachenko is a superb boxer but does anyone seriously believe he’ll ever come close to Robinson in an ATG sense?
Can be a belt holder but if not considered top 10 (world level) not counted.

This not meant rank fighters into whose the best, just noting who and how many times fought at that level which I guess also tells story on their career.
 
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Here's what I came up with.

Jimmy McLarnin, 55-11-3

World Level


Pancho Villa<, Bud Taylor (x2), Louis 'Kid' Kaplan, Billy Wallace, Phil McGraw, Sid Terris, Ray Miller (x2), Joe Glick (x3, 1<), Sammy Mandell< (x2), Ruby Goldstein, Young Jack Thompson+, Sammy Fuller<, Young Corbett III, Barney Ross (x3), Tony Canzoneri< (x2), Lou Ambers

69 fights
24 world level fights = 35%
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your criteria for world level, but if it's based on top 10 ranking...

--Taylor was a top 5 rated bantam through all 3 fights with McLarnin (and also is a HoFer).

-Baker was consistently ranked as a WW contender throughout the '20s, including the year that he fought McLarnin.

-Singer was the reigning LW champ.

-Brouillard had just lost the WW title a few fights earlier, and would go on to win the MW title the very next year (and also contend at LHW after that).

-Petrolle was a perennial LW contender throughout the '20s and early '30s, and got a shot at the title a year after his trilogy with McLarnin (and also is a HoFer).

-Farr and Tenorio were each rated in a top 10 for at least some time in the same year that each one fought McLarnin.

-Loayza bounced in and out of rankings at LW and Jr. WW throughout the '20s and early '30s. Admittedly, I don't know what (if any) exact ranking he had on the night he fought McLarnin, but he was coming straight off two of the best wins of his career vs. fellow contenders Glick and Bruce Flowers heading into the fight.

Also, although I understand that LaBarba had only just turned pro at the time of the McLarnin fights, I think it's worth noting that, like Lomachenko, he was an amateur/Olympian phenom who jumped straight into the title picture upon turning pro and ended up winning a claim to the flyweight title in the same year as his 3rd fight with McLarnin.
 
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding your criteria for world level, but if it's based on top 10 ranking...

--Taylor was a top 5 rated bantam through all 3 fights with McLarnin (and also is a HoFer).

-Baker was consistently ranked as a WW contender throughout the '20s, including the year that he fought McLarnin.

-Singer was the reigning LW champ.

-Brouillard had just lost the WW title a few fights earlier, and would go on to win the MW title the very next year (and also contend at LHW after that).

-Petrolle was a perennial LW contender throughout the '20s and early '30s, and got a shot at the title a year after his trilogy with McLarnin (and also is a HoFer).

-Farr and Tenorio were each rated in a top 10 for at least some time in the same year that each one fought McLarnin.

-Loayza bounced in and out of rankings at LW and Jr. WW throughout the '20s and early '30s. Admittedly, I don't know what (if any) exact ranking he had on the night he fought McLarnin, but he was coming straight off two of the best wins of his career vs. fellow contenders Glick and Bruce Flowers heading into the fight.

Also, although I understand that LaBarba had only just turned pro at the time of the McLarnin fights, I think it's worth noting that, like Lomachenko, he was an amateur/Olympian phenom who jumped straight into the title picture upon turning pro and ended up winning a claim to the flyweight title in the same year as his 3rd fight with McLarnin.
No criteria spot on, tbf sounds like you know this weight class far more than me. I was trying pinpoint if considered top 10 at time of fight but info hard get hold of unless already have it.

I like learning on old timers so I'll check it all out but probably oversight my part, tbh not strong period for my knowledge.

I have been thinking about LaBarba, was going to maybe class at least 1 of their fights as world level, not sure can count all 3 as he was unproven in pro ranks.
 
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Where I have info I do knock down records. Example is both Charles and Robinson fought some of their opponents more than listed, but either when they not yet established or on the slide.
 
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding your criteria for world level, but if it's based on top 10 ranking...

--Taylor was a top 5 rated bantam through all 3 fights with McLarnin (and also is a HoFer).

-Baker was consistently ranked as a WW contender throughout the '20s, including the year that he fought McLarnin.

-Singer was the reigning LW champ.

-Brouillard had just lost the WW title a few fights earlier, and would go on to win the MW title the very next year (and also contend at LHW after that).

-Petrolle was a perennial LW contender throughout the '20s and early '30s, and got a shot at the title a year after his trilogy with McLarnin (and also is a HoFer).

-Farr and Tenorio were each rated in a top 10 for at least some time in the same year that each one fought McLarnin.

-Loayza bounced in and out of rankings at LW and Jr. WW throughout the '20s and early '30s. Admittedly, I don't know what (if any) exact ranking he had on the night he fought McLarnin, but he was coming straight off two of the best wins of his career vs. fellow contenders Glick and Bruce Flowers heading into the fight.

Also, although I understand that LaBarba had only just turned pro at the time of the McLarnin fights, I think it's worth noting that, like Lomachenko, he was an amateur/Olympian phenom who jumped straight into the title picture upon turning pro and ended up winning a claim to the flyweight title in the same year as his 3rd fight with McLarnin.
I've added all except Farr and Tenorio, as only info got to go off is ring annual ratings and couldn't say for sure they'd made top 10 when McLarnin fought them.

Also only put in one of the LaBarba contests, like said while being a gold medalist was new to pro ranks and only their 3rd fight was scheduled for more than 4 rounds.

Fair?
 
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I've added all except Farr and Tenorio, as only info got to go off is ring annual ratings and couldn't say for sure they'd made top 10 when McLarnin fought them.

Also only put in one of the LaBarba contests, like said while being a gold medalist was new to pro ranks and only their 3rd fight was scheduled for more than 4 rounds.

Fair?
Seems fair, but your edited post still excluded Singer, and only lists 2 fights with Mandell (they had 3, all while Mandell was reigning LW champ).