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It's 2021 and ppl. still throw the popular 2000s internet "P-word" around over movies they either don't like (There Will Be Blood), don't understand (Mulholland Drive) or are plain shyte (Only God Forgives) without ever having a definition by what they mean by 'P' in the film's context. "Pretentious seems like a popular word and I have a rough understanding why random ppl. use it for random flicks, lets use it and save some time!" :lol:

Soz if I offended anyone but at some point someone should explain it to me what's 'pretentious' about Valhalla Rising, cause I tell you what it really is: it's a minimalist movie made for anyone appreciating the style, while Only God Forgives is a shyte movie cause NWR & co. were coked out of their mind and forgot to make a good one.
Mate it was arty farty bollocks. It could have potentially been a decent crime film but na.
 

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I'd say it's the definition of pretentious.

"Trying to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than deserved".

Film tries to carry itself like a work of great art. Winding-Refn was talking about art being violence and violence being art and other guff when he made it.

When in reality, its a poorly acted, poorly constructed genre piece, that even a good actor like Mikkelson couldn't save.
Aren't Keaton comedies badly acted then cause Buster ain't pulling no Brando? Isn't another minimalist masterpiece A Man Escaped badly acted cause of all the wooden characters? And what's up with that Donald Glover fella calling himself 'Childish Gambino' and doing this odd dance in This is America, trying to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than deserved? Lets not even start talking about David Lynch FFS, all of this shit is very odd an unusual, I don't fucking understand... so lets call it, what's that popular word I read on a forum? Ah, pretentious. :lol:



P. S. speaking of Lynch:


:lol:
 

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I think the 'pretentious' issue is more about critics than films themselves. I'll often write a film off that I think is shite because of any number of issues, but then when I read a positive review about it, I then think it's the critic who is being pretentious. They're taking something which is clearly too simple, too confusing, too abstract or whatever and calling it genius because they're knowing that everyone else is shitting on it, therefore they're acting like they have some hidden ability to see beyond what everyone else can see. The same goes for art, I have less issue with the artist who puts a dog shit and banana inside a plastic box, and more of an issue with the art critics who think you need an IQ of 174 to appreciate it. I think critics often do the opposite too and when a film is widely being praised, go against the grain to say "it's cheap and banal" or whatever.

Personally, I prefer films which are logical. Clever, sure, but I don't like not knowing what's happening and I don't think the viewer should be filling in the blanks either. That's just my preference though, I get why people like surreal films but I could never enjoy a David Lynch film. I don't appreciate that style of storytelling.
 

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Aren't Keaton comedies badly acted then cause Buster ain't pulling no Brando? Isn't another minimalist masterpiece A Man Escaped badly acted cause of all the wooden characters? And what's up with that Donald Glover fella calling himself 'Childish Gambino' and doing this odd dance in This is America, trying to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than deserved? Lets not even start talking about David Lynch FFS, all of this shit is very odd an unusual, I don't fucking understand... so lets call it, what's that popular word I read on a forum? Ah, pretentious. :lol:



P. S. speaking of Lynch:


:lol:
Keaton wasn't trying to pretend it was anything more than it was, so couldn't be accused of being pretentious.

Don't think I've seen A Man Escaped, so can't comment.

I don't find Lynch pretentious. His films have much more merit than Winding Refn's, (imo), so any artistic choices seem earned, and any notions of higher meaning seem more like intentions than delusions.

His films are generally held to have significance and merit, and are therefore not pretentious.

Winding-Refn has similar ambitions perhaps, and makes movies, and talks them up, as though they are significant, but barring a few exceptions, they generally don't meet the mark.

Are you sure you understand the definition of pretentious?
 

BigBone

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Are you sure you understand the definition of pretentious?
I am. And are ya sure ppl. using the word have the critical background to break down art and symbolism to conclude this piece was merely trying to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than deserved - rather than admitting they chose the wrong art movie that they didn't like or understand, hence labelling it with a fancy word they found on the internet?

And FYI more ppl. called Lynch's work pretentious than Refn's, so either they are right... or ppl. who choose the wrong movies label them with a fancy word they found on the internet. Which one is it? And no, neither Mulholland Drive, nor Only God Forgives are pretentious movies, cause that would put an absolute masterpiece in the same group with a complete gobshyte. Hence try to avoid the P-word and explain what you did or didn't like...
 
Mate it was arty farty bollocks. It could have potentially been a decent crime film but na.
Winding-Refn has similar ambitions perhaps, and makes movies, and talks them up, as though they are significant, but barring a few exceptions, they generally don't meet the mark.
Drive was great. Refn has made some shite though. Neon Demon is terrible. Mediocre director.
And no, neither Mulholland Drive, nor Only God Forgives are pretentious movies, cause that would put an absolute masterpiece in the same group with a complete gobshyte.
Now hold on for a little minute fellas, there is no need for name calling!

Me & Ryan had a blast filming Only God Forgives in the beautiful Bangkok. He is so funny OMG! Cute too, my wife loves him!
 

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I am. And are ya sure ppl. using the word have the critical background to break down art and symbolism to conclude this piece was merely trying to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than deserved - rather than admitting they chose the wrong art movie that they didn't like or understand, hence labelling it with a fancy word they found on the internet?

And FYI more ppl. called Lynch's work pretentious than Refn's, so either they are right... or ppl. who choose the wrong movies label them with a fancy word they found on the internet. Which one is it? And no, neither Mulholland Drive, nor Only God Forgives are pretentious movies, cause that would put an absolute masterpiece in the same group with a complete gobshyte. Hence try to avoid the P-word and explain what you did or didn't like...
I have no issue with them arguing its pretentious, or you arguing Valhalla Rising isn't.

My issue is with you arguing that the only reason people think something is pretentious is because they don't understand it. You can understand something and still find it pretentious.


I've not seen Valhalla Rising in about a decade, so it's hard for me to remember what I disliked.

Some things I do remember it's that it's full of shite scottish actors who are usually found stinking up our own cheap TV dramas and soaps.

It was dull, slow, and unengaging.

The characters were all bland, cartoonish, cardboard cutouts who constantly make stupid and made nonsensical decisions.

It takes itself very seriously, but is actually very silly.
 

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The House by the Cemetery 4K (1981)

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What do you get when you stitch Dr. Frankenstein, Dr. Freud, Dr. Fulci and Dr. Sleep to one piece of flesh? A great 80s horror gore fest, what a silly question mate! Clearly, there was no way Fulci saw Shining before shooting Cemetery, but the two have an awful lot in common: a young blond boy with a supernatural connection, strange girl(s) showing up and talking creepy to said boy, a psychologically mess of a mother that need medication, a remote, haunted house with an ugly past and bloodthirsty creatures, some slow burn paranoia then some shock horror scenes and plenty of mystery and open questions - clearly Kubrick & Fulci were in their element in those years!

In this one a family moves to remote house, you know, by the cemetery and strange shit start to happen... whispers, cries, doors opening and the usual. As much as things look stunning in 4K, gorgeous interiors and dark basements, shiny knives and red hot dripping blood, the sound design is as impressive with eerie 80s atmospheric horror background music. This is a lots of fun, obviously a little silly, but never on the so bad its good side: it's really chilly and cool in its own rights! RECOMMENDED
 
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The House by the Cemetery 4K (1981)

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What do you get when you stitch Dr. Frankenstein, Dr. Freud, Dr. Fulci and Dr. Sleep to one piece of flesh? A great 80s horror gore fest, what a silly question mate! Clearly, there was no way Fulci saw Shining before shooting Cemetery, but the two have an awful lot in common: a young blond boy with a supernatural connection, strange girl(s) showing up and talking creepy to said boy, a psychologically mess of a mother that need medication, a remote, haunted house with an ugly past and bloodthirsty creatures, some slow burn paranoia then some shock horror scenes and plenty of mystery and open questions - clearly Kubrick & Fulci were in their element in those years!

In this one a family moves to remote house, you know, by the cemetery and strange shit start to happen... whispers, cries, doors opening and the usual. As much as things look stunning in 4K, gorgeous interiors and dark basements, shiny knives and red hot dripping blood, the sound design is as impressive with eerie 80s atmospheric horror background music. This is a lots of fun, obviously a little silly, but never on the so bad its good side: it's really chilly and cool in its own rights! RECOMMENDED
Seems a bit, I don't know, pretentious.
 
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Oh my gosh I love Lucio so much!

I have a very good friend of mine, perhaps you have heard of him, Dario Argento, who showed me many of Signor Fulci's sets around Rome and in Cinecittá. I pay Lucio homage in many of my visually attractive scenes! Much to learn from the Maestro still, and one day I hope I can give back to the youth myself! I'm trying my best, fellas!
 
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Bob Weaver

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Oh my gosh I love Lucio so much!

I have a very good friend of mine, perhaps you have heard of him, Dario Argento, who showed me many of Signor Fulci's sets around Rome and in Cinecittá. I pay Lucio homage in many of my visually attractive scenes! Much to learn from the Maestro still, and one day I hope I can give back to the youth myself! I'm trying my best, fellas!
Never took you as the kind of person who says "fellas".


I'm wondering if you are the real Nicolas after all.
 

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Brute Force (1946)



Prison flicks are a blast cause while they deliver thrills & violence, they can also comment society's amorality, the grey areas of the law and power games on each side of the bars - Dassin's Brute Force focuses on the latter, as the state wants to come down hard on misbehaving inmates with guard captain being the little Hitler, the drunkard doc the sound of reason and humanity, and the prison ward being a criminally weak sister as Lancaster would put it. Speaking of Burt: Lancaster might just be the best Old Hollywood actor, no doubt his role in Sweet Smell of Success is the most iconic ever, prove me wrong!

But its the pint-sized yet athletic, meticulous but bloodthirsty Hume Cronyn as the titular brute force officer stealing the show. Or rather beating the living daylights out of it. Absolute psychopath that one, no wonder Burt & company wanna split, but ears are everywhere. Few movies dared to make this side of the law & the enforcers as the obvious antagonists and the amoral antiheroes operating on the right site of the moral compass, but it works with Dassin's confident direction and personal flashbacks, some great visuals in superb HD restoration and Miklós Rózsa's memorable score. Fascinating flick, very different focus than the psychological toll in I am I Fugitive from a Chain Gang, closer to Riot in Cell Block 11 I guess. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
 

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Brute Force (1946)



Prison flicks are a blast cause while they deliver thrills & violence, they can also comment society's amorality, the grey areas of the law and power games on each side of the bars - Dassin's Brute Force focuses on the latter, as the state wants to come down hard on misbehaving inmates with guard captain being the little Hitler, the drunkard doc the sound of reason and humanity, and the prison ward being a criminally weak sister as Lancaster would put it. Speaking of Burt: Lancaster might just be the best Old Hollywood actor, no doubt his role in Sweet Smell of Success is the most iconic ever, prove me wrong!

But its the pint-sized yet athletic, meticulous but bloodthirsty Hume Cronyn as the titular brute force officer stealing the show. Or rather beating the living daylights out of it. Absolute psychopath that one, no wonder Burt & company wanna split, but ears are everywhere. Few movies dared to make this side of the law & the enforcers as the obvious antagonists and the amoral antiheroes operating on the right site of the moral compass, but it works with Dassin's confident direction and personal flashbacks, some great visuals in superb HD restoration and Miklós Rózsa's memorable score. Fascinating flick, very different focus than the psychological toll in I am I Fugitive from a Chain Gang, closer to Riot in Cell Block 11 I guess. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

Love Burt Lancaster. My big film for him is Zulu Dawn.
 
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