RBR!!! RBR - Loma vs Campbell, Fury Vs Povetkin plus Edwards, Buatsi, Cordina and others...

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Gosh, imagine how good Douglas would have been had his mother not died ahead of Tyson in Tokyo.
So according to you the normal/general reaction to an immediate family members death is not stress, but a response to produce a once off superhuman performance against someone underestimating you. Gotcha. Your thinking on this lines up perfectly with your level of thinking on other topics, I’m pleased to know that I’m speaking to the real deal Pedders here.

Someone who already trains hard is also more vulnerable to fluctuations in stress as they’re on their threshold, then the added stress on the body of cutting weight... yeah totally comparable situations, good one Pedders.
 

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So according to you the normal/general reaction to an immediate family members death is not stress, but a response to produce a once off superhuman performance against someone underestimating you. Gotcha. Your thinking on this lines up perfectly with your level of thinking on other topics, I’m pleased to know that I’m speaking to the real deal Pedders here.

Someone who already trains hard is also more vulnerable to fluctuations in stress as they’re on their threshold, then the added stress on the body of cutting weight... yeah totally comparable situations, good one Pedders.
It's completely comparable. Two fighters lose a parent weeks before the biggest fight of their lives -- one of them pulls off the biggest upset arguably in sports history, the other - according to you - under performs due to stress.

My argument is that it's impossible for you to know that Luke Campbell would have performed any better had his father not died 2 weeks before Linares. In fact, the general consensus would probably suggest otherwise considering that he performed as well as he ever had.

Lomachenko is fighting pitiful competition at the moment. No, that is not to disrespect Campbell, who I like very much, but Lomachenko is vying for the number 1 P4P spot. Canelo has fought both Golovkin and Jacobs in the last 12 months. Lomachenko has fought Luke Campbell, Anthony Crolla and Jose Pedraza.

It's not good enough. And frankly, as the biggest fan of Lomachenko on these boards, you should be shouting this the loudest.
 
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It's completely comparable. Two fighters lose a parent weeks before the biggest fight of their lives -- one of them pulls off the biggest upset arguably in sports history, the other - according to you - under performs due to stress.

My argument is that it's impossible for you to know that Luke Campbell would have performed any better had his father not died 2 weeks before Linares. In fact, the general consensus would probably suggest otherwise considering that he performed as well as he ever had.

Lomachenko is fighting pitiful competition at the moment. No, that is not to disrespect Campbell, who I like very much, but Lomachenko is vying for the number 1 P4P spot. Canelo has fought both Golovkin and Jacobs in the last 12 months. Lomachenko has fought Luke Campbell, Anthony Crolla and Jose Pedraza.

It's not good enough. And frankly, as the biggest fan of Lomachenko on these boards, you should be shouting this the loudest.
It's impossible to know anything. The overwhelming probability (due to the factors I mentioned) is that he was severely impaired by his fathers death. Did you know Campbell had panic attacks, would walk the streets crying after learning about his father dying (in another country)? You're a clueless little dweeb.
Since I'm a fan of boxing I understand the factors involved in making fights, especially when you're viewed as an all time great that doesn't have mainstream drawing power. Do you think Canelo (who can offer massive multi-million dollar paydays to opponents) has as much trouble making fights as Lomachenko? Again, you're an absolutely clueless little dweeb. Campbell and Pedraza in the last 12 months is far better than what Mikey (who you rate) and Davis (who we think is Loma's big challenge, and is also a title holder) has done. You should be shouting about a lot of fighters, but instead you shout about Lomachenko because you don't know a thing about the sport, and your 5'2, sub-60iq ass is still salty because I made you look like the fool you are in discussions about Lomachenko. Like every other loser who is the same person they are when they were 12, you're doubling down on your idiocy instead of being humble and courageous enough to admit when you're wrong and grow from your mistakes. That's why you don't recognise the greatness in Lomachenko, that's why you idolise yellow bellied fighters like Garcia. You're a sub-par human in every dimension, a pathetic joke and I can deduce that from just a few posts on a boxing forum. That's how much your weakness smells, I can smell you from here. You're revolting kid.
 

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It's impossible to know anything. The overwhelming probability (due to the factors I mentioned) is that he was severely impaired by his fathers death. Did you know Campbell had panic attacks, would walk the streets crying after learning about his father dying (in another country)? You're a clueless little dweeb.
Since I'm a fan of boxing I understand the factors involved in making fights, especially when you're viewed as an all time great that doesn't have mainstream drawing power. Do you think Canelo (who can offer massive multi-million dollar paydays to opponents) has as much trouble making fights as Lomachenko? Again, you're an absolutely clueless little dweeb. Campbell and Pedraza in the last 12 months is far better than what Mikey (who you rate) and Davis (who we think is Loma's big challenge, and is also a title holder) has done. You should be shouting about a lot of fighters, but instead you shout about Lomachenko because you don't know a thing about the sport, and your 5'2, sub-60iq ass is still salty because I made you look like the fool you are in discussions about Lomachenko. Like every other loser who is the same person they are when they were 12, you're doubling down on your idiocy instead of being humble and courageous enough to admit when you're wrong and grow from your mistakes. That's why you don't recognise the greatness in Lomachenko, that's why you idolise yellow bellied fighters like Garcia. You're a sub-par human in every dimension, a pathetic joke and I can deduce that from just a few posts on a boxing forum. That's how much your weakness smells, I can smell you from here. You're revolting kid.
:lol: You need to fucking relax. We are talking boxing...
 
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P4P best and all time greatest should be seeing off the likes of Campbell with ease to be honest. I'll watch tomorrow.
He's too small. He shouldn't be up at 135 to be honest. Arms too short, frame not right for it. Some frames are built for going up in weight and others aren't. He's already a 3 weight champion, but I'd like to see him move back down and box the best there is in the weight below. He simply doesn't have the size to go any higher, and he's limited even up at 135. Campbell was just so much bigger. Least impressive I've seen Loma, but it was a privilege to be there live all the same.
 

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He's too small. He shouldn't be up at 135 to be honest. Arms too short, frame not right for it. Some frames are built for going up in weight and others aren't. He's already a 3 weight champion, but I'd like to see him move back down and box the best there is in the weight below. He simply doesn't have the size to go any higher, and he's limited even up at 135. Campbell was just so much bigger. Least impressive I've seen Loma, but it was a privilege to be there live all the same.
Loma hasn't looked otherworldly for a while if we are being honest. Rigondeux was the last time but we all know the story there.
 
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Loma hasn't looked otherworldly for a while if we are being honest. Rigondeux was the last time but we all know the story there.
Well he did against Crolla, but Crolla is not good enough, and he was pretty fucking great in large spells against Pedraza too. He tore his shoulder in round 2 against Linares, so it's a write off in terms of judging him on that bout, but he won anyway and by stoppage. He doesn't belong up at this weight, but here we are.
 

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Well he did against Crolla, but Crolla is not good enough, and he was pretty fucking great in large spells against Pedraza too. He tore his shoulder in round 2 against Linares, so it's a write off in terms of judging him on that bout, but he won anyway and by stoppage. He doesn't belong up at this weight, but here we are.
Considering what you've seen subsequently from Lomachenko, how do you suspect Lomachenko would have handled Linares if it wasn't for the injury? I am assuming he was injury free last night?
 
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Considering what you've seen subsequently from Lomachenko, how do you suspect Lomachenko would have handled Linares if it wasn't for the injury? I am assuming he was injury free last night?
I'd assume he would have handled him with a lot more ease. I don't need to compare it to last night, all I need to do is look at the fact that he was winning on points when he stopped Linares, and that he did as he did with a torn rotary cuff. The same injury that saw Vitali quit on his stool while ahead against Byrd.
 

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Thought Loma looked just OK, by his own high standards. Loma was far from untouchable, and Campbell to me provided a different look with his height advantage and gameplan. I liked Loma's body work in this fight. Campbell was visibly hurt with body shots at the end of the 5th round. it's a trait of a high level, intelligent fighter to go downstairs when the opponent has already been buzzed to the head. I am always impressed with little things like that. I liked the way Lomachenko got inside and occasionally walked down Campbell with technical pressure.

Campbell performed well considering he was utterly outclassed in basically all departments, he had a few good spots where he landed a nice bodyshot counter in the 6th round, in the 7th he landed a few nice shots as well, he seemed relatively poised in there despite never fighting someone on this level before.

Tbh, the thing is Loma is getting up there in age, at 31 years old you have to figure he isn't going to get any better, his athletic ability is likely to decline and he is fighting at a weight class where he doesn't really belong. But he is so talented and technically adept that it doesn't matter ultimately. I think we may have already seen the best of Lomachenko in terms of his performances.

It's worth noting now, that Lomachenko has fought two Jorge Linares' victims back to back, in Crolla and Campbell. These kind of fights are not good for Loma at this stage. Even Comney would be better than Campbell at this point.

I know it will never ever happen, but imagine a fight between Lomachenko and Crawford at some kind of catchweight. that would be a great chess match, I wish Crawford was just a little bit smaller so that way it would be more realistic.
 

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I'd assume he would have handled him with a lot more ease. I don't need to compare it to last night, all I need to do is look at the fact that he was winning on points when he stopped Linares, and that he did as he did with a torn rotary cuff. The same injury that saw Vitali quit on his stool while ahead against Byrd.
I don't know much about torn rotary cuffs. Are there levels to how one can tear their rotary cuff? Do you have footage of the precise moment in round 2 where the injury occurred? I would very much like to see it.
 

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Thought Loma looked just OK, by his own high standards. Loma was far from untouchable, and Campbell to me provided a different look with his height advantage and gameplan. I liked Loma's body work in this fight. Campbell was visibly hurt with body shots at the end of the 5th round. it's a trait of a high level, intelligent fighter to go downstairs when the opponent has already been buzzed to the head. I am always impressed with little things like that. I liked the way Lomachenko got inside and occasionally walked down Campbell with technical pressure.

Campbell performed well considering he was utterly outclassed in basically all departments, he had a few good spots where he landed a nice bodyshot counter in the 6th round, in the 7th he landed a few nice shots as well, he seemed relatively poised in there despite never fighting someone on this level before.

Tbh, the thing is Loma is getting up there in age, at 31 years old you have to figure he isn't going to get any better, his athletic ability is likely to decline and he is fighting at a weight class where he doesn't really belong. But he is so talented and technically adept that it doesn't matter ultimately. I think we may have already seen the best of Lomachenko in terms of his performances.

It's worth noting now, that Lomachenko has fought two Jorge Linares' victims back to back, in Crolla and Campbell. These kind of fights are not good for Loma at this stage. Even Comney would be better than Campbell at this point.

I know it will never ever happen, but imagine a fight between Lomachenko and Crawford at some kind of catchweight. that would be a great chess match, I wish Crawford was just a little bit smaller so that way it would be more realistic.
 
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Considering what you've seen subsequently from Lomachenko, how do you suspect Lomachenko would have handled Linares if it wasn't for the injury? I am assuming he was injury free last night?
He pretty much dominated Linares with the exception of a few combinations from Jorge and the knockdown. The fact that Linares lands a few combos and then everyone calls it an off performance says a lot about Loma's quality.
 

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He pretty much dominated Linares with the exception of a few combinations from Jorge and the knockdown. The fact that Linares lands a few combos and then everyone calls it an off performance says a lot about Loma's quality.
With the exception of three rounds, I agree. Not an off performance from Lomachenko. In fact, that's the exact kind of performance we've come to expect from Loma.
 
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What with? Looks like he'd need a strapon going by those pictures.
 
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He fought an Olympic gold medalist, two weight divisions bigger than him, and limited him to basically a few moments of success here and there over 12 rounds, and people are criticising? It is hardly like mayweather never had struggles with a past best ODLH, Zab Judah, Castillo and Maidana. Loma is just at that level where any success against him is magnified tenfold like it was with Floyd
 

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With the exception of three rounds, I agree. Not an off performance from Lomachenko. In fact, that's the exact kind of performance we've come to expect from Loma.
Meh. He dominated both Pedraza and Crolla, and I didn't see Campbell decisively win a single round. The fact that Linares won maybe 3 rounds speaks to Linares' talent and speed rather than Loma having showing a big decline. While Linares is not durable he was always talented and had explosive power, I think he brought certain attributes to the table that produced that knockdown.

I would say Lomachenko is basically every bit as impressive as he was in the past, he is just slightly older now and at a higher weight class. There is this expectation among some boxing fans that Loma has to move up and up and up in weight in order to prove his greatness. Yeah, nah. I think Loma has reached his limit in terms of weight jumping.