Reports of gunfire on London Bridge

Jack McW

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Tbh best option for a convicted terrorist is to publicly flog em. Then hang em in the place they carried out the attack to send a message to their terrorist friends from the religion of peace.
 
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Hmm, it's also as if rehabilitating criminals would protect innocent people....

If they let rehabilitated people out of jail some of them will commit crimes again. There is no doubt about that. You are just confident that none of these rehabilitated thugs will victimize you or your family so you want to give them a second chance. Jack felt the same way may he rest in peace.

How about people like you volunteer to take these thugs in for a month when they get out. How about the test is you let them travel with a young female member of your family for a week before they are released. Then we will see how virtuous people like you really are.
 
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Haggis

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The US is having the same problem with idiots wanting to be soft on crime. They actually think letting thugs out of jail is virtuous. Just recently I have seen two of the people let out have killed people and I am sure there will be many more. The people who want to do this are just confident that their family members will not be one of those effected.

In the bridge case it did effect one of the ones pushing for this and it is a good thing. I would bet when Jack was dying he was more worried about how people will view muslims because of his murder than he was of the murder itself.
Oh yeah, your problem is that the US just doesn't quite keep enough people in jail. :rofl



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Very different rehabilitating a theif or a drug dealer to say a terrorist or a nonce..
Is it?

A high level drug dealer is likely to cause more deaths, pain, hardship, trouble and danger to society than someone convicted of plotting a terrorist attack.
 
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Oh yeah, your problem is that the US just doesn't quite keep enough people in jail. :rofl



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This again. There are not enough people in jail in the USA. If there was there would not be no go zones all over the country.

Do you really want to get into this chart. I don't want to talk about race. England doesn't have 20 million black males. 33% of black males are felons by the time they are 23 years old. So your comparison is ridiculous.
 
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Haggis

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33% of black males are felons by the time they are 23 years old.
If you could just get that up to 70% or so, then their communities and America as a whole would probably be much better off, right?

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Jack McW

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Tbh as far as jacks old man and the lefty terrorist sympathisers saying we shudnt life this scum off, im sure jack changed his tune and had an epiphany as the Muhammadan was cutting him to ribbons with his war knife.. i reckon jacks ghost is ready to go romper stomper mode, whilst donning the classic neo nazi doctor marten boots and braces.
 
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Is it?

A high level drug dealer is likely to cause more deaths, pain, hardship, trouble and danger to society than someone convicted of plotting a terrorist attack.
Typical leftist defending terrorists, I bet you think paedos should be given a slap on the wrist and 'rehabilitated' as well? The fact is people choose to take drugs, not many have the desire to be hacked to pieces by psychotic jawas on a rampage.
solution - more semi autos on our streets.
 

Ronsonfly

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Yanks have Guantanamo Bay, we have Morecombe Bay.
Let the tide wash away all of their terroristic thoughts...
I like the sound of that as a sentence.

"For your crimes, Choudry, you are to pick cockles in Morecombe Bay for the rest of your natural life. LOL, that'll be until about next Wednesday according to the tidal chart I've just consulted along with pre-sentencing reports and mitigation from your counsel."
 

Jack

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Is it?

A high level drug dealer is likely to cause more deaths, pain, hardship, trouble and danger to society than someone convicted of plotting a terrorist attack.
But the question is about rehabilitation. It's easier to rehabilitate a criminal who chooses that life out of greed than it is to change the mindset of someone driven by sexual desire or ideology. If you have a drug dealer £500k a year, most aren't going to go back selling drugs but what can you do to prevent a Muslim from believing radical thoughts or stopping a paedophile from being attracted to children?

Rehabilitation can only work with some people. It's never going to change the mindset of a psychopath but it can help a bank robber, so you can't look at all this in the same light. The motivation to commit their crime is the fundamental difference.
 
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But the question is about rehabilitation. It's easier to rehabilitate a criminal who chooses that life out of greed than it is to change the mindset of someone driven by sexual desire or ideology. If you have a drug dealer £500k a year, most aren't going to go back selling drugs but what can you do to prevent a Muslim from believing radical thoughts or stopping a paedophile from being attracted to children?

Rehabilitation can only work with some people. It's never going to change the mindset of a psychopath but it can help a bank robber, so you can't look at all this in the same light. The motivation to commit their crime is the fundamental difference.
Saudi Arabia has a proven track record of rehabilitating terrorists.

It's a faith based ideology. If you're taught that Islam wants you to kill people, it's equally easy to teach someone it's a peaceful religion.

What data is there to suggest you can rehabilitate a drug dealer, but not a terrorist? What is there to indicate that ideology holds a greater sway than money? A pocket of people are obsessed with their ideology, the world is obsessed with money.


You also need to look at the extent of the problem. There are 207 people in prison for terrorism related offences in the UK. There's hundreds of thousands of people in prison for drug offences.

Prison is also an issue. Drugs are the biggest commodity in there. You can go in there as a high level drug dealer and make more money inside prison than outside of it.
 
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Can you imagine if this was some far-right extremist who had been convicted of plotting to blow up a Mosque full of worshippers, only to be released after just 6 years where he then goes on stab a couple of Muslims to death. Anyone talking about rehabilitation, second chances or not perpetuating hate by handing down draconian sentences for such people would be tarred with the same far-right label as the killer. And understandably so.

Tommy Mair was given a whole life sentence for murdering Jo Cox. Darren Osborne was given a minimum term for the Finsbury Park Mosque attack meaning that he will almost certainly die in prison. That wasn't a problem was it? We all know how people like Diane Abbott and Owen Jones would have reacted had anyone dared come out with this kind of rhetoric in response to what those two did.
 
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Tommy Mair was given a whole life sentence for murdering Jo Cox. Darren Osborne was given a minimum term for the Finsbury Park Mosque attack meaning that he will almost certainly die in prison. That wasn't a problem was it? We all know how people like Diane Abbott and Owen Jones would have reacted had anyone dared come out with this kind of rhetoric in response to what those two did.
That will happen when you kill people.

Lee Rigby killers were given a whole life sentence and 45 years minimum respectively.

That wasn't a problem, was it?