Retired Parkland deputy arrested, charged with 11 counts of cowardice for failing to confront a school shooter. Faces 100 years in prison. Moral?

Which is closest to the sort of sanctions should this guy face?

  • Prison

  • Kicked off the force, no pension

  • Kicked off the force, pension intact

  • The public shame and disgrace is punishment enough


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Haggis

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Well okay, it's not listed as being charged for cowardice. But except for the perjury charge, that's what it is.

So this guy:


Scot Peterson, was the only LEO on the school grounds at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School when this guy:


Nikolas Cruz, went apeshit with an AR-15 and killed 17 people.

Peterson heard dozens of shots, but never entered the building. Instead, he basically hid outside for 45 minutes.

He took retirement rather than be suspended, so he kept his pension. But now he's been arrested, held on $102,000 bail, and faces a maximum sentence of almost 100 years in prison. Charges include child neglect, culpable negligence and perjury (for lying under oath about whether he heard shots/how many shots he heard.)

"Peterson arrived at the 1200 building -- where the massacre took place -- and then moved 75 feet to a "position of increased personal safety" near the 700 and 800 buildings, an arrest warrant affidavit said.
The warrant says Peterson stayed there for more than 45 minutes.
During that time, the gunman killed five students and one teacher, authorities said."



So, is this moral? Obviously he can't be a cop any more, but arresting him and now he's facing almost a century in prison - appropriate, or is this excessive?

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Well okay, it's not listed as being charged for cowardice. But except for the perjury charge, that's what it is.

So this guy:


Scot Peterson, was the only LEO on the school grounds at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School when this guy:


Nikolas Cruz, went apeshit with an AR-15 and killed 17 people.

Peterson heard dozens of shots, but never entered the building. Instead, he basically hid outside for 45 minutes.

He took retirement rather than be suspended, so he kept his pension. But now he's been arrested, held on $102,000 bail, and faces a maximum sentence of almost 100 years in prison. Charges include child neglect, culpable negligence and perjury (for lying under oath about whether he heard shots/how many shots he heard.)

"Peterson arrived at the 1200 building -- where the massacre took place -- and then moved 75 feet to a "position of increased personal safety" near the 700 and 800 buildings, an arrest warrant affidavit said.
The warrant says Peterson stayed there for more than 45 minutes.
During that time, the gunman killed five students and one teacher, authorities said."



So, is this moral? Obviously he can't be a cop any more, but arresting him and now he's facing almost a century in prison - appropriate, or is this excessive?

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You, too, should be arrested for cowardice, earthquake boy.
 

Haggis

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Hey, I made a thread and CHB's own orange moron saw my username and couldn't wait to run in, ignore the topic and try to derail the thread by crying about how he doesn't like me! Wow, who could have seen THAT coming? :rolleyes

This could be an interesting discussion about the limits of police duty of care. Or it could be yet another pointless, ugly shit-slinging match that bores the shit out of everybody and makes the place worse. I prefer an interesting discussion about how much is expected of an individual police officer on his own during exceptionally trying circumstances, rather than a pathetic kindergarten shit fight with a retard. But I can go either way. This stupid fuckwit can't. So he might as well just fuck off. :conf

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Haggis

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Anyone like to comment who has anything to say on the topic and isn't a boring simpleton?

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i had to google what a school resources officer is, seems it's the guy with a gun in case of school shooters.

he's no hero, 100 years inside might be excessive tho.
 
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Obviously no hero, but what the fuck is he meant to do? Go all action hero and storm the building on his own with a single gun meanwhile not knowing who was shooting, how many and from where?

I would think maybe retreating to an exit area, calling for backup and keeping guard at the exit would be a sensible thing to do? That's what it appears he did to me.
 

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I don't think he should be up in court for anything.
His attorney says that Peterson "cannot be prosecuted as a caregiver since he was acting as a law enforcement officer in an official capacity."

He lied to investigators by telling them that he only heard two or three shots. Investigators determined that 75 shots were fired while he was hiding outside the building.

The head of his regional police union has expressed concern about the charges, and makes a reasonable point:

"In order for there to be neglect, the individual must be a 'care taker' of the individual," Bell wrote. "Does that mean that every police officer from now on that works a detail where children are present are now subjected to child neglect charges if something happens?"


It's not really clear cut, I don't think. He certainly failed in his duties, but to the extent that he should lose everything and spend the rest of his life in jail? I don't think that seems right. For me, kicking him off the force, denying his pension and not granting him name suppression is enough.

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Haggis

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Obviously no hero, but what the fuck is he meant to do? Go all action hero and storm the building on his own with a single gun meanwhile not knowing who was shooting, how many and from where?

I would think maybe retreating to an exit area, calling for backup and keeping guard at the exit would be a sensible thing to do? That's what it appears he did to me.
Yeah that's what I think too. It seems he has a pissy little handgun too, and he'd be up against a killer who wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on him, and who also massively outguns him, (probably) knows the layout of the school better, and who (probably) isn't afraid to die.

His life being ruined over this is inevitable and that's not inappropriate, but I don't think putting him in a cell for the rest of his life is a good solution. And of course, there's the precedent that this sets to think about.

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Obviously no hero, but what the fuck is he meant to do? Go all action hero and storm the building on his own with a single gun meanwhile not knowing who was shooting, how many and from where?
Yes.

Basically, that's exactly what he was expected to do. Turn into John McClane. Otherwise - prison.

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It's an absolute disgrace if he goes to jail. Did he fail in his role? Yes, but nobody knows what they would do or how they would react in such a situation until they face it. We have cops shooting unarmed people dead because they are scared, and they walk...because feeling scared for your life even when there's no clear threat is seen as justifiable cause for pulling the trigger. But fear for your life when there definitely IS a clear threat, and simply hiding from it, is culpable for imprisonment? Fuck off.

This is more red herring crap too. Let's not address the access to guns or the issues around why the US has more of these shootings than anywhere else, let's find another scapegoat...perfect, an old guy who shit himself when it came down to the prospect of going into a shootout with an unknown number of gunmen.

If I were the parent of a victim, or one of the survivors, I'd have no interest in blaming this guy.

Firing someone for failing to do their job is fine. If a soldier runs away from the battlefield on the night before an operation, because they're too scared...obviously they're not cut out to be a solider. But you're a fucking lunatic if you want them sent to prison.
 
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His attorney says that Peterson "cannot be prosecuted as a caregiver since he was acting as a law enforcement officer in an official capacity."

He led to investigators by telling them that he only heard two or three shots. Investigators determined that 75 shots were fired while he was hiding outside the building.

The head of his regional police union has expressed concern about the charges, and makes a reasonable point:

"In order for there to be neglect, the individual must be a 'care taker' of the individual," Bell wrote. "Does that mean that every police officer from now on that works a detail where children are present are now subjected to child neglect charges if something happens?"


It's not really clear cut, I don't think. He certainly failed in his duties, but to the extent that he should lose everything and spend the rest of his life in jail? I don't think that seems right. For me, kicking him off the force, denying his pension and not granting him name suppression is enough.

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Fuck. I even think that's harsh.

Nobody knows how they will react when they hear automatic fire in a school building, even if you are an experienced police officer. He might have never heard gunfire go off in the line of duty in his life, he might never have even drawn his gun, and now here he is expected to go into a building where he can hear automatic weapons and little other information.

Kick him out of the force and let him live with the consequences of his inaction. End of.
 
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It's an absolute disgrace if he goes to jail. Did he fail in his role? Yes, but nobody knows what they would do or how they would react in such a situation until they face it. We have cops shooting unarmed people dead because they are scared, and they walk...because feeling scared for your life even when there's no clear threat is seen as justifiable cause for pulling the trigger. But fear for your life when there definitely IS a clear threat, and simply hiding from it, is culpable for imprisonment? Fuck off.

This is more red herring crap too. Let's not address the access to guns or the issues around why the US has more of these shootings than anywhere else, let's find another scapegoat...perfect, an old guy who shit himself when it came down to the prospect of going into a shootout with an unknown number of gunmen.

If I were the parent of a victim, or one of the survivors, I'd have no interest in blaming this guy.

Firing someone for failing to do their job is fine. If a soldier runs away from the battlefield on the night before an operation, because they're too scared...obviously they're not cut out to be a solider. But you're a fucking lunatic if you want them sent to prison.
Agreed.

Be interesting to hear the parents take on this. I'd like to believe there is some sense amongst them.
 
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Haggis

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Agreed.

Be interesting to hear the parents take on this. I'd like to believe there is some sense amongst them.
weeeeeeeeellllllllllll.........

"The father of a girl who was killed applauded the charges.
"Peterson failed in his duty to protect lives that day, standing behind a cement pillar for 48 minutes while students and teachers were slaughtered," Alaina Petty's father, Ryan, said. "After a year of in-depth investigation, I am pleased that the (state authorities) have brought formal charges against former deputy Scot Peterson."
The father of Jaime Guttenberg said Peterson could have saved lives.
"I have no comment except to say rot in hell, Scot Peterson," Fred Guttenberg said. "You could have saved some of the 17. You could have saved my daughter. You did not and then you lied about it and you deserve the misery coming your way."


:lol:

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weeeeeeeeellllllllllll.........

"The father of a girl who was killed applauded the charges.
"Peterson failed in his duty to protect lives that day, standing behind a cement pillar for 48 minutes while students and teachers were slaughtered," Alaina Petty's father, Ryan, said. "After a year of in-depth investigation, I am pleased that the (state authorities) have brought formal charges against former deputy Scot Peterson."
The father of Jaime Guttenberg said Peterson could have saved lives.
"I have no comment except to say rot in hell, Scot Peterson," Fred Guttenberg said. "You could have saved some of the 17. You could have saved my daughter. You did not and then you lied about it and you deserve the misery coming your way."


:lol:

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Jesus.

America is a weird fucking place.

Why not round on the people not putting adequate gun control in place? That's where my attention would go if I was a bereaved father ( I hope)
 
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Also, 75 feet isn't that far. That's 22 metres.

He placed himself 22 metres from the most probable exit point. 22 metres from where a person or persons with automatic weapons most likely will exit the building. He had his gun drawn aiming at the door, so he had intention to shoot if and when someone came through that door, drawing attention to himself.

Again, not exactly a hero, but not exactly the person at fault here. Criminal charges are a joke, and some of those parents should be ashamed of themselves. They get a pass because they are bereaved parents and it's a fucked up situation.
 

Haggis

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Jesus.

America is a weird fucking place.

Why not round on the people not putting adequate gun control in place? That's where my attention would go if I was a bereaved father ( I hope)
Well that would require thinking about the possibility that maybe - just maybe - a huuuuuuuge part of the problem is all the guns that any asshole can build a personal armoury with.

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The whole media spin on this story is bullshit.

'He retreated to a different building'

Jesus wept, look at the map and the proximity of the 'different building'. It's adjacent to the shooters building. It may aswell be the same building.

So basically he stood, gun drawn at front door waiting for shooters with automatic weapons. That's an alternative and equally fair way to headline this story.
 
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Haggis

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nobody knows what they would do or how they would react in such a situation until they face it.
Oh I can tell you that 90% of CHB thinks they would instantly turn into John McClane and storm the building with absolutely zero thought for their own safety. :lol:

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