Rhino Poacher Killed by Elephant and Eaten by Lions

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I definitely have sympathy for the poor cunts. If I was in their situation and struggling to eat, you better believe I'd be doing whatever I could to feed myself and my family. If it meant taking a massive risk and taking down a Rhino for some pittance cash, then so be it.

It's very easy to judge from our western perspective.

Nobody agrees with poaching of animals, it's wrong. But we shouldn't be gloating when the poorest of the poor get killed.
I'd have to see that poachers were all the "poorest of the poor". I am aware that many will be poor, however there are organised crime gangs and even armed militias who fund their wars off poaching. This link mentions a few of these...

http://www.poachingfacts.com/faces-of-the-poachers/

They're not all desperately poor guys trying to feed their families, although there will be some of those too obviously. There have also been park rangers killed by poachers in order to clear the way for them poaching on a given day.
 
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I'd have to see that poachers were all the "poorest of the poor". I am aware that many will be poor, however there are organised crime gangs and even armed militias who fund their wars off poaching. This link mentions a few of these...

http://www.poachingfacts.com/faces-of-the-poachers/

They're not all desperately poor guys trying to feed their families, although there will be some of those too obviously. There have also been park rangers killed by poachers in order to clear the way for them poaching on a given day.
I get that there are organised gangs who poach, but the vast majority from what I've read from reports and first hand accounts is that the poachers are generally poor village people who are looking to survive and are basically exploited to take all the risk for scant reward.

In this case the park rangers passed on their condolences to the deceased. Reading between the lines it seems the rangers know this was just some poor cunt trying to provide for himself and family.

So, yeah, I wouldn't be one for celebrating in this case.
 
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I get that there are organised gangs who poach, but the vast majority from what I've read from reports and first hand accounts is that the poachers are generally poor village people who are looking to survive and are basically exploited to take all the risk for scant reward.

In this case the park rangers passed on their condolences to the deceased. Reading between the lines it seems the rangers know this was just some poor cunt trying to provide for himself and family.

So, yeah, I wouldn't be one for celebrating in this case.
Yeah that's fair. I'm not celebrating, but I don't feel huge sympathy for a guy who went to shoot an elephant and then got trampled on by the elephant. He had all the advantages really and fucked up. But I don't think it's something to celebrate either.
 
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Hell of a way to die, but no different than those idiots that climb communication towers and video how "brave" they are by doing handstands at the top and some fall to their deaths because of it. Kind of along the lines of "Do stupid things, win stupid prizes".

The only sympathy I have is for the guys family he leaves behind who now will probably have to struggle even more to survive in that shithole of a 3rd world country.
 

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Yeah that's fair. I'm not celebrating, but I don't feel huge sympathy for a guy who went to shoot an elephant and then got trampled on by the elephant. He had all the advantages really and fucked up. But I don't think it's something to celebrate either.
This.

Every now and then, the bull wins and the matador loses.
 
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Hell of a way to die, but no different than those idiots that climb communication towers and video how "brave" they are by doing handstands at the top and some fall to their deaths because of it. Kind of along the lines of "Do stupid things, win stupid prizes".

The only sympathy I have is for the guys family he leaves behind who now will probably have to struggle even more to survive in that shithole of a 3rd world country.
South Africa has lots of problems but to dismiss the entire country as a shit hole is a bit ridiculous. It's a fucking stunning country from what I've seen and everyone who has been (that I know) has loved it. From my mum first going at the age of 60 to friends going when we were in our 20's...it has amazing scenery, great wine, some brilliant restaurants, beaches, the lot. I worked with 4 South Africans for over a year last recently, their lifestyles back home looked pretty fucking nice too.
 

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South Africa has lots of problems but to dismiss the entire country as a shit hole is a bit ridiculous. It's a fucking stunning country from what I've seen and everyone who has been (that I know) has loved it. From my mum first going at the age of 60 to friends going when we were in our 20's...it has amazing scenery, great wine, some brilliant restaurants, beaches, the lot. I worked with 4 South Africans for over a year last recently, their lifestyles back home looked pretty fucking nice too.
It used to be very, very different. It's always had racial problems of one sort or another though.

It's no place for whites to live now IMO. The smart ones left long ago. It'll only go downhill.

I spent a good while there. Stunning country in terms of natural beauty. The locals were great fun too.

Cape Town the best. Durban scary. Jo'burg like the fucking wild west. Every house surrounded with bars.
 
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It used to be very, very different. It's always had racial problems of one sort or another though.

It's no place for whites to live now IMO. The smart ones left long ago. It'll only go downhill.

I spent a good while there. Stunning country in terms of natural beauty. The locals were great fun too.

Cape Town the best. Durban scary. Jo'burg like the fucking wild west. Every house surrounded with bars.
Yeah Cape Town is what everyone raves about. Also, the murder rate is high, but it's lower than it was in the early 90's under apartheid, and Cape Town's per capita murder rate is lower than that of New Orleans.
 
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Yeah Cape Town is what everyone raves about. Also, the murder rate is high, but it's lower than it was in the early 90's under apartheid, and Cape Town's per capita murder rate is lower than that of New Orleans.
I was going to say, Cape Town and to an event Bloemfontein are the only cities in ZA I'm somewhat comfortable in; Cape Town is stunning. Fuck Joburg though, couldn't pay me to stay there.
 
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Things like this are why I have a problem when someone says that I have to respect everyone's opinion or some other dumb shit like that. If you are stupid enough to believe that rhino horns are gonna give you a boner or cure cancer everyone should be allowed to ridicule you and you deserve to be embrassed and humiliated.
 
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It used to be very, very different. It's always had racial problems of one sort or another though.

It's no place for whites to live now IMO. The smart ones left long ago. It'll only go downhill.

I spent a good while there. Stunning country in terms of natural beauty. The locals were great fun too.

Cape Town the best. Durban scary. Jo'burg like the fucking wild west. Every house surrounded with bars.
South Africa can't rebound until HIV and AIDS is under control there
 
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Hell of a way to die, but no different than those idiots that climb communication towers and video how "brave" they are by doing handstands at the top and some fall to their deaths because of it. Kind of along the lines of "Do stupid things, win stupid prizes".

The only sympathy I have is for the guys family he leaves behind who now will probably have to struggle even more to survive in that shithole of a 3rd world country.
"Do stupid things, win stupid prizes".

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I definitely have sympathy for the poor cunts. If I was in their situation and struggling to eat, you better believe I'd be doing whatever I could to feed myself and my family. If it meant taking a massive risk and taking down a Rhino for some pittance cash, then so be it.

It's very easy to judge from our western perspective.

Nobody agrees with poaching of animals, it's wrong. But we shouldn't be gloating when the poorest of the poor get killed.

Who the fuck goes poaching rhino because they are hungry?

For starters, you need a group of men with rifles and other small arms.

Not exactly Mbebe poking around the bush with a stick and there's about 100 other things you could shoot there for meat.
 
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Who the fuck goes poaching rhino because they are hungry?

For starters, you need a group of men with rifles and other small arms.

Not exactly Mbebe poking around the bush with a stick and there's about 100 other things you could shoot there for meat.
I'd do a bit more research.
 
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It's similar to the workers chopping down and destroying the rainforest in Amazon. They are just doing what they gotta do to survive and provide for their families. After visiting Africa and seeing how many live outside the big cities, I certainly cannot judge them negatively.
 
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Poverty Doesn’t Cause Crime
By DENNIS PRAGER

Progressives won’t admit that Judeo-Christian values, not economics, determine moral behavior.
One of the first clues that this Columbia-educated, liberal, Democrat, New York Jew had that there was something wrong at the heart of progressive/left-wing thought was when I read and was taught over and over that “poverty causes crime.”
I knew from the first that this was dogma, not truth.




How did I know?
First, I thought about the world that I knew best — my own. My paternal grandparents were extremely poor immigrants from Russia. They lived in a small apartment in Brooklyn where they raised four children, none of whom, of course, ever had their own room. Moreover, my grandfather was a tailor and as such made little during normal years, and next to nothing during the Great Depression.
They were considerably poorer than the vast majority of Americans who lived below the poverty line as it existed when I was in college and graduate school. And they would have regarded most of those designated poor today as middle-class, if not rich by the standards of their day.


That is worth remembering whenever an American claims that violent crime in America is caused by poverty. The poor who commit murder, rape, and robbery are not only not starving, they have far more material things than the word “poverty” suggests.
According to the U.S. Department of Energy’s Residential Energy Consumption Survey for 2005 (the last year I could find in detail — but it doesn’t matter what year, because those who say that poverty causes crime have said it for a hundred years and continue to say it), among all poor households:


Over 99 percent have a refrigerator, television, and stove or oven. Eighty-one percent have a microwave; 75 percent have air conditioning; 67 percent have a second TV; 64 percent have a clothes washer; 38 percent have a personal computer.
As for homelessness, one-half of 1 percent living under the poverty line have lost their homes and live in shelters.


Seventy-five percent of the poor have a car or truck. Only 10 percent live in mobile homes or trailers, half live in detached single-family houses or townhouses, and 40 percent live in apartments. Forty-two percent of all poor households own their home, the average of which is a three-bedroom house with one and a half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
According to a recent Census Bureau report, 80.9 percent of households below the poverty level have cell phones.


When the Left talks about the poor, they don’t mention these statistics, because what matters to the Left is inequality, not poverty.
But that is another subject. Our subject is the question, Given these statistics, why do the poor who commit violent crime do so? Clearly it is not because they lack the basic necessities of life.
Now I didn’t know any of these statistics back in college and graduate school. So how did I know that “poverty causes crime” was a lie?
I thought about my grandparents, and I could not imagine my grandfather robbing anyone, let alone raping or murdering.
Why not? Because it was unimaginable. They were people whose values rendered such behaviors all but impossible.
But there was another reason.
I was as certain as one could be that if I were poor in America, I wouldn’t rob, rape, or murder.
Which leads me to wonder about people who believe that “poverty causes crime.”


When people say this, there are only two possibilities. One is that, on some level of consciousness, they think that if they were poor, they would commit violent crimes. My hunch is that this is often the case. Just as the whites who say all whites are racist are obviously speaking about themselves, those who claim that poverty leads to violence may well be speaking about themselves, too.
The other possibility is that they are not speaking about themselves, in which case they would have to admit that poor Americans who rob, rape, or murder are morally inferior to themselves.
Which, of course, happens to be true. People (of any income level) who rob, rape, and murder do so because they lack a functioning conscience and moral self-control. It is not material poverty that causes violent crime, but poor character. But the “poverty causes crime” advocates refuse to acknowledge this, because such an acknowledgment blames criminals — rather than American society — for poor peoples’ violent crimes.

And that they won’t admit. Because once they do, they will have begun the journey toward affirming conservatism and Judeo-Christian values, both of which are rooted in the belief that values, not economics, determine moral behavior.
 
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