Rhino Poacher Killed by Elephant and Eaten by Lions

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Poverty Doesn’t Cause Crime
By DENNIS PRAGER

Progressives won’t admit that Judeo-Christian values, not economics, determine moral behavior.
One of the first clues that this Columbia-educated, liberal, Democrat, New York Jew had that there was something wrong at the heart of progressive/left-wing thought was when I read and was taught over and over that “poverty causes crime.”
I knew from the first that this was dogma, not truth.




How did I know?
First, I thought about the world that I knew best — my own. My paternal grandparents were extremely poor immigrants from Russia. They lived in a small apartment in Brooklyn where they raised four children, none of whom, of course, ever had their own room. Moreover, my grandfather was a tailor and as such made little during normal years, and next to nothing during the Great Depression.
They were considerably poorer than the vast majority of Americans who lived below the poverty line as it existed when I was in college and graduate school. And they would have regarded most of those designated poor today as middle-class, if not rich by the standards of their day.


That is worth remembering whenever an American claims that violent crime in America is caused by poverty. The poor who commit murder, rape, and robbery are not only not starving, they have far more material things than the word “poverty” suggests.
According to the U.S. Department of Energy’s Residential Energy Consumption Survey for 2005 (the last year I could find in detail — but it doesn’t matter what year, because those who say that poverty causes crime have said it for a hundred years and continue to say it), among all poor households:


Over 99 percent have a refrigerator, television, and stove or oven. Eighty-one percent have a microwave; 75 percent have air conditioning; 67 percent have a second TV; 64 percent have a clothes washer; 38 percent have a personal computer.
As for homelessness, one-half of 1 percent living under the poverty line have lost their homes and live in shelters.


Seventy-five percent of the poor have a car or truck. Only 10 percent live in mobile homes or trailers, half live in detached single-family houses or townhouses, and 40 percent live in apartments. Forty-two percent of all poor households own their home, the average of which is a three-bedroom house with one and a half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
According to a recent Census Bureau report, 80.9 percent of households below the poverty level have cell phones.


When the Left talks about the poor, they don’t mention these statistics, because what matters to the Left is inequality, not poverty.
But that is another subject. Our subject is the question, Given these statistics, why do the poor who commit violent crime do so? Clearly it is not because they lack the basic necessities of life.
Now I didn’t know any of these statistics back in college and graduate school. So how did I know that “poverty causes crime” was a lie?
I thought about my grandparents, and I could not imagine my grandfather robbing anyone, let alone raping or murdering.
Why not? Because it was unimaginable. They were people whose values rendered such behaviors all but impossible.
But there was another reason.
I was as certain as one could be that if I were poor in America, I wouldn’t rob, rape, or murder.
Which leads me to wonder about people who believe that “poverty causes crime.”


When people say this, there are only two possibilities. One is that, on some level of consciousness, they think that if they were poor, they would commit violent crimes. My hunch is that this is often the case. Just as the whites who say all whites are racist are obviously speaking about themselves, those who claim that poverty leads to violence may well be speaking about themselves, too.
The other possibility is that they are not speaking about themselves, in which case they would have to admit that poor Americans who rob, rape, or murder are morally inferior to themselves.
Which, of course, happens to be true. People (of any income level) who rob, rape, and murder do so because they lack a functioning conscience and moral self-control. It is not material poverty that causes violent crime, but poor character. But the “poverty causes crime” advocates refuse to acknowledge this, because such an acknowledgment blames criminals — rather than American society — for poor peoples’ violent crimes.

And that they won’t admit. Because once they do, they will have begun the journey toward affirming conservatism and Judeo-Christian values, both of which are rooted in the belief that values, not economics, determine moral behavior.
I agree.

Just as in poor communities, in the middle and upper classes you have criminals and non criminals. The only difference to 'poor' criminals is the crimes they commit, ie. white collar crime as opposed to street crime.

People are either assholes or they aren't. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than that simple fact.

And 90% don't rehabilitate. They simply remain assholes for life. :yep
 
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poverty isn't the only cause of crime, and a good upbringing helps prevent it, but talking in absolutes removes any meaning from the discussion.
 
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poverty isn't the only cause of crime, and a good upbringing helps prevent it, but talking in absolutes removes any meaning from the discussion.
Here's my tuppence ha'penny on crime and upbringing..

If poverty were really the source of crime, every poor person would become a criminal. That doesn't happen. There's much more to it than that.

Crime in its most elemental form is weakness of character. That's where upbringing comes in.

Upbringing is important and crosses all class divides. When there is no caring or love at home from parents or caregivers and kids feel no sense of worth they will start to commit crimes and it will seem perfectly normal thereafter.

Although every criminal is not poor, every criminal does have one thing in common, and that is they are to some degree displaying a weakness in character. You could call it a mental illness. For a few it's a lapse and they rehabilitate, but for many it's a way of life which they will never change. That's why the authorities see the same old faces returning time and again throughout their life.
 
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I definitely have sympathy for the poor cunts. If I was in their situation and struggling to eat, you better believe I'd be doing whatever I could to feed myself and my family. If it meant taking a massive risk and taking down a Rhino for some pittance cash, then so be it.

It's very easy to judge from our western perspective.

Nobody agrees with poaching of animals, it's wrong. But we shouldn't be gloating when the poorest of the poor get killed.
Yet there was such an awesome element of karma to the story, we can't really help ourselves.
 
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I definitely have sympathy for the poor cunts. If I was in their situation and struggling to eat, you better believe I'd be doing whatever I could to feed myself and my family. If it meant taking a massive risk and taking down a Rhino for some pittance cash, then so be it.

It's very easy to judge from our western perspective.

Nobody agrees with poaching of animals, it's wrong. But we shouldn't be gloating when the poorest of the poor get killed.
You don't kill a rhino to eat it. Plus they require a high-powered rifle that is not exactly cheap, like a .375 H&H at minimum, or a .416 Rigby, or a .458 Lott. None of these are cheap. A pissed-off rhino is one of the most dangerous big game animals that exist.

If the guy popped a gazelle with a bow & arrow or something, I might have sympathy, but he was after a species that is on the brink of extinction to sell parts to Chinese dogeaters who think it gives them a better boner. I see karma in his being killed by an elephant. which are also poached for tusks, and then eaten by lions, which again are killed for Chinese "medicine" of zero actual value.

He could have sold the damn rifle for enough to feed his family for a month.
 
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You don't kill a rhino to eat it. Plus they require a high-powered rifle that is not exactly cheap, like a .375 H&H at minimum, or a .416 Rigby, or a .458 Lott. None of these are cheap. A pissed-off rhino is one of the most dangerous big game animals that exist.

If the guy popped a gazelle with a bow & arrow or something, I might have sympathy, but he was after a species that is on the brink of extinction to sell parts to Chinese dogeaters who think it gives them a better boner. I see karma in his being killed by an elephant. which are also poached for tusks, and then eaten by lions, which again are killed for Chinese "medicine" of zero actual value.

He could have sold the damn rifle for enough to feed his family for a month.
I never said he was hunting to eat the meat. I never said he wouldn't require a high powered rifle.

Do your homework on who, in general, are hunting the animals on the ground, and why they are doing it.
 
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can you not just tell us? :think1

just finding the motivation to type this is taking all my strength, let alone look something up.
Tell you what?

Poor people are coerced into hunting in Africa for the benefit of the Far East consumer. They're poor as fuck and do What they can to keep their head above water.

But I don't want you to listen to me. Google it and read first hand reports from people who have been there and done the research.
 
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Tell you what?

Poor people are coerced into hunting in Africa for the benefit of the Far East consumer. They're poor as fuck and do What they can to keep their head above water.

But I don't want you to listen to me. Google it and read first hand reports from people who have been there and done the research.
i will not google it. but thank you for brief elaboration.
 
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I never said he was hunting to eat the meat. I never said he wouldn't require a high powered rifle.

Do your homework on who, in general, are hunting the animals on the ground, and why they are doing it.
If the guy can afford a 2,000 dollar rifle, he isn't starving. The chamber pressures in these big game cartridges are extremely high, and they require a very well-made rifle to handle it or else they would explode and kill you when you fire them. I have fired a nitro express and a few other big game rifles - they make the military rifles like the M-4 / M-16 look like toys.

So I find it hard to believe that it is some poor, starving African who is "forced" to kill rhinos by his unfortunate circumstances. The hardware required to go hunt a rhino is way expensive, and he could have spent that money on food for his family. I think the rhino poachers are more like gold miners - looking for a big payday with relatively minimal effort. Fuck them all, I would exterminate every one of them to save the species. There is no going back once they kill the last one and sell his ground-up horn to some sick fuck chinny who thinks it gives him sexual power. I'd kill all of them, too. The rhinos are worth more than these cretinous people.
 
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If the guy can afford a 2,000 dollar rifle, he isn't starving. The chamber pressures in these big game cartridges are extremely high, and they require a very well-made rifle to handle it or else they would explode and kill you when you fire them. I have fired a nitro express and a few other big game rifles - they make the military rifles like the M-4 / M-16 look like toys.

So I find it hard to believe that it is some poor, starving African who is "forced" to kill rhinos by his unfortunate circumstances. The hardware required to go hunt a rhino is way expensive, and he could have spent that money on food for his family. I think the rhino poachers are more like gold miners - looking for a big payday with relatively minimal effort. Fuck them all, I would exterminate every one of them to save the species. There is no going back once they kill the last one and sell his ground-up horn to some sick fuck chinny who thinks it gives him sexual power. I'd kill all of them, too. The rhinos are worth more than these cretinous people.
You're right man, all these independent investigations into poaching in Africa don't mean shit. Let's ignore The numerous reports. The guy had a high powered rifle and therefore is a monster like the big bad greedy hunter from Bambi. Case closed, now let's all get back to laughing at this guy from our western ivory towers.
 

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You're right man, all these independent investigations into poaching in Africa don't mean shit. Let's ignore The numerous reports. The guy had a high powered rifle and therefore is a monster like the big bad greedy hunter from Bambi. Case closed, now let's all get back to laughing at this guy from our western ivory towers.
got a good link? i'm interested.
you know i'm not a guy who celebrates death, but tbh you haven't convinced me that this guy had no greed in him and had no other option.
 
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You're right man, all these independent investigations into poaching in Africa don't mean shit. Let's ignore The numerous reports. The guy had a high powered rifle and therefore is a monster like the big bad greedy hunter from Bambi. Case closed, now let's all get back to laughing at this guy from our western ivory towers.
My friend, I get it that you have a very different opinion than do I. Fair enough. I just do not believe that any circumstance such as relative poverty can excuse killing a critically endangered species so some chinny can pretend he has a big wiener for a few hours. It is wrong, as wrong as it gets, in my opinion. I would happily kill every rhino poacher, and their sick fuck customers, personally if I could. They are, to me, greedy little vultures, carrion eaters of humanity, and they all deserve to die a horrible, painful death.

I respect your opinion. You are likely a more empathetic and kinder man than I am. I get that. However, if we are to save that species, I think that people more like me are far more likely to have a positive effect. It is a war, in my way of viewing things. Poachers are the enemy, and I would gladly kill every single one of them. Maybe that makes me a piece of shit, but I believe the rhinos would disagree.
 
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got a good link? i'm interested.
you know i'm not a guy who celebrates death, but tbh you haven't convinced me that this guy had no greed in him and had no other option.
I'm not saying he had no option, I don't even know if he was part of a gang or greedy. But neither does anyone else on here.

What I do know, from reading independent reports and commentary on Africa, is that poaching is predominately done by locals as they are dirt poor and have not many options in their life. They cannot be judged to a western standard.

As for links, I honestly don't have one at hand as I'm on my phone. But a quick Google search on poaching in Africa pulls up stats and reports and stories on the issue. People should do their own reading before laughing at dead people from a distance. Don't rely on me to guide you.
 
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My friend, I get it that you have a very different opinion than do I. Fair enough. I just do not believe that any circumstance such as relative poverty can excuse killing a critically endangered species so some chinny can pretend he has a big wiener for a few hours. It is wrong, as wrong as it gets, in my opinion. I would happily kill every rhino poacher, and their sick fuck customers, personally if I could. They are, to me, greedy little vultures, carrion eaters of humanity, and they all deserve to die a horrible, painful death.

I respect your opinion. You are likely a more empathetic and kinder man than I am. I get that. However, if we are to save that species, I think that people more like me are far more likely to have a positive effect. It is a war, in my way of viewing things. Poachers are the enemy, and I would gladly kill every one of them. Maybe that makes me a piece of shit, but I believe the rhinos would disagree.
Ok. I disagree. Circumstances is everything.

If I was poor in Africa, nowhere to earn money, no means to feed myself, you better believe I'd be setting snares for big game if it kept me fed.

If you parachute any western into deepest darkest Africa for a month with nothing, they'd probably be throwing spears at rhinos by the end of the week.

A western perspective is just that, a western perspective.

I have less empathy for the drivers of the market. Typically wealthy Asian people. If they were the ones getting trampled, fine. But , they are not.
 
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If the guy can afford a 2,000 dollar rifle, he isn't starving. The chamber pressures in these big game cartridges are extremely high, and they require a very well-made rifle to handle it or else they would explode and kill you when you fire them. I have fired a nitro express and a few other big game rifles - they make the military rifles like the M-4 / M-16 look like toys.

So I find it hard to believe that it is some poor, starving African who is "forced" to kill rhinos by his unfortunate circumstances. The hardware required to go hunt a rhino is way expensive, and he could have spent that money on food for his family. I think the rhino poachers are more like gold miners - looking for a big payday with relatively minimal effort. Fuck them all, I would exterminate every one of them to save the species. There is no going back once they kill the last one and sell his ground-up horn to some sick fuck chinny who thinks it gives him sexual power. I'd kill all of them, too. The rhinos are worth more than these cretinous people.
How do you know that he owns the rifle and bought it himself? Plenty of criminals commit crimes using equipment that their gang leaders have furnished them with. Unless you think that this guy had the international contacts to set up the smuggling operation himself, it seems quite reasonable that he was a bottom-level member of an organised international syndicate. Probably the equivalent of a drug mule - who gets caught holding kilos of a drug that he didn't buy and doesn't own.

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Ok. I disagree. Circumstances is everything.

If I was poor in Africa, nowhere to earn money, no means to feed myself, you better believe I'd be setting snares for big game if it kept me fed.

If you parachute any western into deepest darkest Africa for a month with nothing, they'd probably be throwing spears at rhinos by the end of the week.

A western perspective is just that, a western perspective.
The reason I disagree is the fact that the hardware required for rhino poaching is quite expensive. The guy obviously was able to get a rifle worth 1,500 - 2,000 dollars. If he was so hungry, he could have bought food instead of a rifle of a caliber necessary to take down a rhino - said to be the most dangerous of all big game. These rifles throw a massive, heavy bullet at insane velocities, and the chamber pressures are extreme. I am a shooter of some experience, and firing a .416 Rigby for the first time blew my mind. It feels like a mortar pushed against your shoulder or something. It isn't like a .30 - 06 or some cartridge for North American game, where a Grizzly is about the worst thing you can come up against. It feels like a whole order of magnitude more powerful. That kind of hardware does not come cheap, period. It costs big bucks - so the guy could not have been poor by African standards, IMHO.

The poachers aren't poor tribesmen scratching out a day to day existence, for the most part. They are human vultures looking for a big score so they can be lazy for a month or two afterwards. I really hate them, to the core of my being. They are the worst examples of humankind. I would gladly slaughter them and feed them to the animals they prey upon.

I will gladly admit that you are a kinder, better man who has empathy for the poor of Africa that I lack. My interest is in saving a species that is at the very edge of extinction. Africa today has too many people and not enough rhinos. I'd gladly sacrifice a horde of poachers to keep the species existent. There is no going back once the last one is killed for the worst, most ignorant waste I can think of - some little dick chinny thinking he can be a big stud from eating a ground-up rhino horn. I would gladly kill the customer as well as the poacher so we can eliminate both the market and the source. Fuck all these people, they are ignorant in the extreme and they need to be eliminated, hopefully in a very painful manner. None of them, poacher or customer, are worthy of breathing our air.
 
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