Rob McCracken ducking and weaving over concussion comments

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Rob McCracken later claimed Anthony Joshua was concussed, yet allowed him to continue in the fight and in doing so opened up a can of worms :

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/sep/12/anthony-joshua-andy-ruiz-jr-rob-mccracken-boxing-concussion

Anthony Joshua’s trainer Rob McCracken will not face any disciplinary action for saying he allowed his heavyweight to keep fighting while concussed, after receiving the full backing of the BBBofC.

The brain charity Headway has been deeply critical of McCracken’s admission that he “knew” Joshua was concussed against Andy Ruiz Jnr yet kept “trying to get him through a few more rounds” – and accused him of failing in his duty of care for the former WBA, IBF and WBO world champion

McCracken has since clarified his remarks, saying he was “not a doctor and it may be that concussed is not the right term to have used”, and strenuously denied any wrongdoing.

“In professional boxing, fighters inevitably take punches and have difficult rounds and when they come back to the corner it is your job as a coach to make a quick assessment of the situation,” he said. “There is no formal concussional protocol where the doctor steps in to assess the boxer so you have to use your experience as a coach and your knowledge of the person to make a decision on whether you think they can recover.”
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/49683404

Got to give props to Ben Davison for backing McCracken in this.

This whole thing is stupid as of course any Heavyweight punching another in the head is going to have a concussive effect and they are all concussed to some degree. Fighters know the risks and you can't be a boxer and avoid concussion entirely you will always end up with it to some degree.
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/49683404

Got to give props to Ben Davison for backing McCracken in this.

This whole thing is stupid as of course any Heavyweight punching another in the head is going to have a concussive effect and they are all concussed to some degree. Fighters know the risks and you can't be a boxer and avoid concussion entirely you will always end up with it to some degree.
Interesting comment coming from someone who has been using concussion as the excuse for Joshua's loss.
 

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Interesting comment coming from someone who has been using concussion as the excuse for Joshua's loss.
Not an excuse, a reason. AJ had a bad one in fight terms but whether that is a danger to his overall health is something only a neurologist can judge but no fighter or trainer would pull a guy from a World Title fight unless there was clear evidence that his health was in peril. Most concussions are minor and most fighters are largely non-symptomatic , AJ had one that showed enough symptoms to effectively prevent him from recovering enough to compete. Ruiz got a lucky punch in the same way most people aiming at a dart board bullseye rarely hit it, that's what they are aiming for but hitting exactly the right place involves a big pinch of luck.
 

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Not an excuse, a reason. AJ had a bad one in fight terms but whether that is a danger to his overall health is something only a neurologist can judge but no fighter or trainer would pull a guy from a World Title fight unless there was clear evidence that his health was in peril. Most concussions are minor and most fighters are largely non-symptomatic , AJ had one that showed enough symptoms to effectively prevent him from recovering enough to compete. Ruiz got a lucky punch in the same way most people aiming at a dart board bullseye rarely hit it, that's what they are aiming for but hitting exactly the right place involves a big pinch of luck.
A reason? You have been claiming it is THE reason.

For Joshua's concussion to be THE reason for his loss I would argue McCracken should have stopped the fight when he realized Joshua was concussed.
 
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Another concussion coming soon for AJ, hopefully Rob pulls him out earlier this time or Joshua might have his career ended in brutal fashion in the desert.
 
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A reason? You have been claiming it is THE reason.

For Joshua's concussion to be THE reason for his loss I would argue McCracken should have stopped the fight when he realized Joshua was concussed.
Especially now it’s been officially diagnosed by Dr Ar558 as a “bad” concussion (there are good concussions?).

This is all just bullshit. McCracken has been told to get on the same page as Joshua and Hearn and it’s backfired on him a bit.
 
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Not an excuse, a reason. AJ had a bad one in fight terms but whether that is a danger to his overall health is something only a neurologist can judge but no fighter or trainer would pull a guy from a World Title fight unless there was clear evidence that his health was in peril. Most concussions are minor and most fighters are largely non-symptomatic , AJ had one that showed enough symptoms to effectively prevent him from recovering enough to compete. Ruiz got a lucky punch in the same way most people aiming at a dart board bullseye rarely hit it, that's what they are aiming for but hitting exactly the right place involves a big pinch of luck.
You really are hard to take seriously mate.

So basically even if you aim for something, hitting it is still luck? So based on that statement all of AJ’s previous victories have been due to lucky punches?
 
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As soon as I heard the words leave his mouth on the podcast, I winced.

Not because i thought he'd been negligent, but because I knew the storm it was gonna create.

It's hardly news that fighters sometimes get concussion mid-fight.
 
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Hearn used the word "concussion" as an excuse straight after the fight and they have run with it since.

So if AJ was indeed was concussed in the 3rd and both Mccracken and Eddie Hearn knew...and allowed him to continue taking punches to the head. With a greater risk of serious brain injury. They should both have their licences suspended.

Not only that neither of them showed any urgency to send him to the hospital to have a scan after the fight. Instead had him do postfight press conference a full 90 minute after the fight.
 
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A reason? You have been claiming it is THE reason.

For Joshua's concussion to be THE reason for his loss I would argue McCracken should have stopped the fight when he realized Joshua was concussed.
Precisely he should have stopped the fight and demanded AJ be taken to hospital for a scan and observation.
 
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Ruiz got a lucky punch in the same way most people aiming at a dart board bullseye rarely hit it, that's what they are aiming for but hitting exactly the right place involves a big pinch of luck.
That is not a good analogy, Ruiz is not most people, he is an experienced world - level boxer.

In your analogy you would have to replace "most people" with a similar equivalent such as Phil Taylor or Van Gerwen.

Chance plays a part in all activity, but the extent of its influence is limited by known factors and elements of control.

A trained heavyweight landing a timed punch to an onrushing opponent, (known for average resilience and poor recovery), stands a good chance of causing short term neurological damage.

Ruiz couldn't know AJ would end up concussed, but he did know he could counter him, and hurt him, and planned his strategy accordingly. Reducing this to luck is wishful thinking at best.
 
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That is not a good analogy, Ruiz is not most people, he is an experienced world - level boxer.

In your analogy you would have to replace "most people" with a similar equivalent such as Phil Taylor or Van Gerwen.

Chance plays a part in all activity, but the extent of its influence is limited by known factors and elements of control.

A trained heavyweight landing a timed punch to an onrushing opponent, (known for average resilience and poor recovery), stands a good chance of causing short term neurological damage.

Ruiz couldn't know AJ would end up concussed, but he did know he could counter him, and hurt him, and planned his strategy accordingly. Reducing this to luck is wishful thinking at best.
The agenda of Ruiz win being lucky by Joshua and the Matchroom tea,concussion or not in a sport where I would expect concussion happens way more often than many would care to admit.

Ruiz got up off the deck and turned the fight around and the one thing that was known for sure he has very fast hands for a heavyweight as Joshua found out to his cost.
 

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Especially now it’s been officially diagnosed by Dr Ar558 as a “bad” concussion (there are good concussions?).

This is all just bullshit. McCracken has been told to get on the same page as Joshua and Hearn and it’s backfired on him a bit.
There are concussions that effect a fighter's ability to fight more or less than others though. In boxing terms, one that stops you from fighting effectively is inherently "bad"!

You really are hard to take seriously mate.

So basically even if you aim for something, hitting it is still luck? So based on that statement all of AJ’s previous victories have been due to lucky punches?
That is not a good analogy, Ruiz is not most people, he is an experienced world - level boxer.

In your analogy you would have to replace "most people" with a similar equivalent such as Phil Taylor or Van Gerwen.

Chance plays a part in all activity, but the extent of its influence is limited by known factors and elements of control.

A trained heavyweight landing a timed punch to an onrushing opponent, (known for average resilience and poor recovery), stands a good chance of causing short term neurological damage.

Ruiz couldn't know AJ would end up concussed, but he did know he could counter him, and hurt him, and planned his strategy accordingly. Reducing this to luck is wishful thinking at best.
Yeh ok he is a professional so his odds would be better, for arguments sake lets say 1 in 5 of hitting AJ at exactly the spot to cause the concussion compared with say 1 in 20 of an amateur or 1 in 50 for a man off the street but that is still only 20% so 4/5 of he would miss marginally and not get the same effect.

Well a professional darts player maybe, MVG or Taylor is overegging it. Maybe like Peter Wright....

The number of factors which had to go right, both boxers body positions, angles of punches, blocks of preceding punches, movement and speed of both boxers, the variables could easily be in the hundreds if not thousands which if any one had been different would have very likely lead to a different outcome. This is not to say that Ruiz didn't do a good job to put himself in the best position to be able to do this but this was a low percentage outcome, run this scenario ten times and it ends up with this outcome 1 or 2 times.
 

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There are concussions that effect a fighter's ability to fight more or less than others though. In boxing terms, one that stops you from fighting effectively is inherently "bad"!
If you are claiming Joshua was suffering from a 'bad concussion' that 'stopped him fighting effectively' and 'showed enough symptoms to effectively prevent him from recovering enough to compete' where is your outrage at McCracken for allowing him to continue?

If you insist on trolling at least try and be consistent.
 

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If you are claiming Joshua was suffering from a 'bad concussion' that 'stopped him fighting effectively' and 'showed enough symptoms to effectively prevent him from recovering enough to compete' where is your outrage at McCracken for allowing him to continue?

If you insist on trolling at least try and be consistent.
For god's sake it's the heavyweight championship, no-one is pulling out a fighter concussed or otherwise in those conditions. Do you all you Fury lovers think Davison should have pulled out Fury in the 12th when to Fury's own admission he was unconcious for a few seconds! He was clearly concussed but I'm sure none of you would have wanted Fury to give up that, so why would McCracken pull out AJ.
 

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For god's sake it's the heavyweight championship, no-one is pulling out a fighter concussed or otherwise in those conditions. Do you all you Fury lovers think Davison should have pulled out Fury in the 12th when to Fury's own admission he was unconcious for a few seconds! He was clearly concussed but I'm sure none of you would have wanted Fury to give up that, so why would McCracken pull out AJ.
Fury got up bright as a button, continued to defend himself and then landed some good shots before the end of the round.

You are so oblivious to reality.
 
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I'm not saying he looked concussed, I'm saying if you have been knocked unconscious even for a few seconds you are medically considered to be concussed. Losing consciousness is a basic symptom.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/concussion/symptoms-causes/syc-20355594
You are comparing Fury getting up and being allowed to continue after showing every sign he was okay to Joshua, who you are making excuses for for having 'bad concussion' that 'stopped him fighting effectively' and 'showed enough symptoms to effectively prevent him from recovering enough to compete'.

Your inconsistent with the facts trolling is getting tedious.
 

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You are comparing Fury getting up and being allowed to continue after showing every sign he was okay to Joshua, who you are making excuses for for having 'bad concussion' that 'stopped him fighting effectively' and 'showed enough symptoms to effectively prevent him from recovering enough to compete'.

Your inconsistent with the facts trolling is getting tedious.
You're saying I should be outraged that RM didn't pull AJ out despite it being a World Title fight. I pointed out TF was medically concussed against Wilder and if AJ should have been pulled medically so should TF.