Romero v Kiko Martinez Aug 17th

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Oh to be a regular world champion. What dreams are made of.
Povetkin likes that belt.
Hearn is a promoter. Of course does he sell Quigg vs Salina as a world title fight. But in reality it is not. And even Hearn/Quigg know that. Rigo is the WBA champ.
 
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I fucking hate the WBA. They seem to be the least prolific in enforcing mandatories along with the WBC which makes the super belt even more stupid (if possible).
Didn't they chamge their labyrinthine rules fairly recently to make the WBA regular belt holder the automatic mando for the super duper WBA champion....hence the Povetkin Wlad fight going to purse bids
 
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Didn't they chamge their labyrinthine rules fairly recently to make the WBA regular belt holder the automatic mando for the super duper WBA champion....hence the Povetkin Wlad fight going to purse bids
Yeh, I remember Geale got stripped of the Super belt he took off Sturm because he didn't face Golovkin. The fact that they even call it a "regular" belt is a slap in the face to fighters who used to be a WBA champion before the redundant "Super" belt got invented. Plus they hand out interim belts even when their champion is active (Rigo-Quigg for example)
 
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It'll be interesting to see how Romero deals with Martinez compared to how Frampton did.

Again though, so much for all Barry McGuigan's "discussions" with Team Romero that he was banging on about after February. Clearly they don't have the ability to get Frampton a title shot like they were harping on about. Romero will never go over to Ireland, especially with no lure of Sky money.
 
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I don't get the hate
Quiggs in position to fight for the regular belt,himself and Hearn aren't going to reject it as none of the posters on here would
He isn't going to fight rigo because he isn't ready,quigg had limited amateur experience so he needs more rounds
And what really does my head in is if quigg wins the regular belt all anyone will do is moan about the paper title but most of all if he signed to fight rigo everyone would say he should of fought for the regular
It's a worthy progression for quigg with a recognised belt and why blame Hearn it isn't his fault he has only just got Scott who was already in position and so what if he got him there anyway.if people want to bitch then moan about the governing bodies not the promoters and fighters
As for the fight in question it could be good and we will get to see it.tidy
:deal Spot on critics will always find a grey cloud no matter what
 
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Didn't they chamge their labyrinthine rules fairly recently to make the WBA regular belt holder the automatic mando for the super duper WBA champion....hence the Povetkin Wlad fight going to purse bids
The regular champion has a mandatory every 9 months, the super champ has a mandatory (which is the regular champ) every 18 months.

Golovkin & Povetkin had been regular champs for 18 months thats why they got those fights.
 
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If you ask me with Frampton not being a current world champion his opposition is just about right at this moment in time, however it should be stepped up considerably if he wants to be at world level. If you look at someone like Ricky Burns for instance, there you have a world champion fighting no better opposition than Carl Frampton.

Here in lies a problem with boxing.

I know this thread is about a different fight, but Frampton's name was mentioned.
 
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Regardless of how deserving of the fight Kiko is...I'm chuffed to see his get the opportunity, he's one of them fighters who you can put in the category of 'road warrior'
 
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If you ask me with Frampton not being a current world champion his opposition is just about right at this moment in time, however it should be stepped up considerably if he wants to be at world level. If you look at someone like Ricky Burns for instance, there you have a world champion fighting no better opposition than Carl Frampton.

Here in lies a problem with boxing.

I know this thread is about a different fight, but Frampton's name was mentioned.
Sorry but that is complete garbage. Katsidis, Moses, Mitchell & Beltran all ranked inside the top 10 by everybody. Gonzalez turned out to be a good fight. Frampton has never faced anybody inside the top 10.
 
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Sorry but that is complete garbage. Katsidis, Moses, Mitchell & Beltran all ranked inside the top 10 by everybody. Gonzalez turned out to be a good fight. Frampton has never faced anybody inside the top 10.
Gonzalez did turn out to be a fantastic fight and it turned out to be exactly the fight most people didnt expect. I knew Gonzalez was better than they made out, but thats just me, not the thousands who thought otherwise, remember "crude banger?"

Except for maybe Katsidis and Beltran who he is about to fight, his opposition has been piss poor at Lightweight, and rated much higher than they actually deserve to be. Rankings tell lies. You know this Rob.

Gavin Rees didnt deserve to be in the same ring as Adrien Broner. It was supposed to be Ricky Burns in there vs. Broner that night. But 6 weeks wasn't enough for Ricky and Billy apparently, and "everybody knows why we didnt take that fight"........yet Gavin jumped at the chance, 6 weeks or not! Billy and Ricky said they beat Broner anywhere anytime. Remember?

They showed the intent of fighting Liam Walsh. Which was gonna happen. Say what you want about Frank making it, but Burns and team loved the fight.
Scott Harrison was always talked about.
Gavin Rees
and now more Anthony Crolla.

Ricky Burns is supposed to be WBO champ Rob, he should be fighting the likes of Beltran, Vazquez, Abril, Gamboa, Broner now.
 
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Gonzalez did turn out to be a fantastic fight and it turned out to be exactly the fight most people didnt expect. I knew Gonzalez was better than they made out, but thats just me, not the thousands who thought otherwise, remember "crude banger?"

Except for maybe Katsidis and Beltran who he is about to fight, his opposition has been piss poor at Lightweight, and rated much higher than they actually deserve to be. Rankings tell lies. You know this Rob.

Gavin Rees didnt deserve to be in the same ring as Adrien Broner. It was supposed to be Ricky Burns in there vs. Broner that night. But 6 weeks wasn't enough for Ricky and Billy apparently, and "everybody knows why we didnt take that fight"........yet Gavin jumped at the chance, 6 weeks or not! Billy and Ricky said they beat Broner anywhere anytime. Remember?

They showed the intent of fighting Liam Walsh. Which was gonna happen. Say what you want about Frank making it, but Burns and team loved the fight.
Scott Harrison was always talked about.
Gavin Rees
and now more Anthony Crolla.

Ricky Burns is supposed to be WBO champ Rob, he should be fighting the likes of Beltran, Vazquez, Abril, Gamboa, Broner now.
Based on everything we saw of Gonzalez crude banger was the perfect way to describe him. He showed something different to the videos we had seen. You may have been right in guessing he would be better, but it was a complete guess.

I run the rankings thread on here and before the unofficial ones on ESB and there the best around. Katsidis was No.4 when they fought, Moses was No.9, Mitchell was No.12 and Beltran is No.5 going into there fight. Kiko Martinez is the only top 15 fighter that Frampton has faced and he was ranked No.12 when they fought. Burns opponents at Lightweight have been quality.

Burns left Warren.....and now he is fighting Beltran!
 
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Based on everything we saw of Gonzalez crude banger was the perfect way to describe him. He showed something different to the videos we had seen. You may have been right in guessing he would be better, but it was a complete guess.

I run the rankings thread on here and before the unofficial ones on ESB and there the best around. Katsidis was No.4 when they fought, Moses was No.9, Mitchell was No.12 and Beltran is No.5 going into there fight. Kiko Martinez is the only top 15 fighter that Frampton has faced and he was ranked No.12 when they fought. Burns opponents at Lightweight have been quality.

Burns left Warren.....and now he is fighting Beltran!
No, it really wasn't a guess Rob. Give me credit where it is due for once. I watched Gonzalez and studied the bit of footage there was. I also watched his padwork closely. He had better boxing skills than they made out, as I said before the fight, and he turned out to outbox Ricky. Say what you like about ring rust. Ricky couldnt even work out the little half step back. Gonzalez was way better than they made out in a number of areas. Billy even gave me credit after the fight. :yikes They were quite humble with it. I said after the fight hopefully they learn from that. Ricky is saying all the right things, so hopefully we see a better Ricky next time around. :good

Whilst you wash your own back with the "best around" statement. They are probably better than the official rankings, but thats not hard to do.

Burns left Warren correct, but he also left when the Vazquez fight was on the table. A true fight. Regardless of all the controversy surrounding it, Frank was coming under massive pressure. I am almost 100% sure Frank would have got that fight on the second time around at the later date. We all know what Frank can be like, but even I think that fight would have gone ahead at some point. But Ricky made the decision to leave. Whats done is done. Hopefully Eddie makes it next if Ricky beats Beltran, but they are already talking about Crolla? :lol:


And was it Crolla or Gallagher who said Eddie PROMISED them that fight?


:eddie
 
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No, it really wasn't a guess Rob. Give me credit where it is due for once. I watched Gonzalez and studied the bit of footage there was. I also watched his padwork closely. He had better boxing skills than they made out, as I said before the fight, and he turned out to outbox Ricky. Say what you like about ring rust. Ricky couldnt even work out the little half step back. Gonzalez was way better than they made out in a number of areas. Billy even gave me credit after the fight. :yikes They were quite humble with it. I said after the fight hopefully they learn from that. Ricky is saying all the right things, so hopefully we see a better Ricky next time around. :good

Whilst you wash your own back with the "best around" statement. They are probably better than the official rankings, but thats not hard to do.

Burns left Warren correct, but he also left when the Vazquez fight was on the table. A true fight. Regardless of all the controversy surrounding it, Frank was coming under massive pressure. I am almost 100% sure Frank would have got that fight on the second time around at the later date. We all know what Frank can be like, but even I think that fight would have gone ahead at some point. But Ricky made the decision to leave. Whats done is done. Hopefully Eddie makes it next if Ricky beats Beltran, but they are already talking about Crolla? :lol:


And was it Crolla or Gallagher who said Eddie PROMISED them that fight?


:eddie
The Crolla fight has not been promised. Its just a possibility. and the Vasquez fight was never done. When Hearn signed Burns he looked to make that fight and the Vasquez team told him the fight was never signed.

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The regular champion has a mandatory every 9 months, the super champ has a mandatory (which is the regular champ) every 18 months.

Golovkin & Povetkin had been regular champs for 18 months thats why they got those fights.
I don't know, from a marketing perspective a casual wont know one belt from the other, if Sky Sports News and Eddie Hearn bill Quigg as a World Champion, it wouldnt matter what plastic trinket he has, the real value is how hes then viewed by the more interested spectators. Look at Hattons WBU reign

The benefit of the regular belt is the eventual shot at the actual champ, but this wouldn't happen in this case
 
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I don't know, from a marketing perspective a casual wont know one belt from the other, if Sky Sports News and Eddie Hearn bill Quigg as a World Champion, it wouldnt matter what plastic trinket he has, the real value is how hes then viewed by the more interested spectators. Look at Hattons WBU reign

The benefit of the regular belt is the eventual shot at the actual champ, but this wouldn't happen in this case
It would make Quigg a player in the division. Thats what the belt do.
 

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What does that even mean Rob, Quigg is already ranked 4 in the Ring rankings in this division. Hes already had 26 fights, he already is a player in this division.
Just admit this is a farce the belt is worthless. If Hearn and Quigg wanted they could probably fight Rigondeaux next since nobody will.

Listen I've no objections to fighting Salinas, hes obviously a step up in terms of opponents but I dont think a win there will make any major difference in the scheme of things.
 
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What does that even mean Rob, Quigg is already ranked 4 in the Ring rankings in this division. Hes already had 26 fights, he already is a player in this division.
Just admit this is a farce the belt is worthless. If Hearn and Quigg wanted they could probably fight Rigondeaux next since nobody will.

Listen I've no objections to fighting Salinas, hes obviously a step up in terms of opponents but I dont think a win there will make any major difference in the scheme of things.
The belt isn't worthless, yes it doesn't make him any sort of champion but it increases recognition to the casuals, gives him bargaining power going to the bigger fights, sets him up for WBA normal belt sometime in next year or year and half, furthers his status in the division. While it doesn't make him a world champion it does pose benefits having the belt