Saint Jacinda Places Auckland In Lockdown

Jack

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He's obviously right on this issue. Anyone who looks at the example of a country like New Zealand and doesn't think their measures are excessive doesn't understand the virus and how to move forward.

As a Swedish minister recently said, we're in the middle of the race and people have decided the winners already. If there is no vaccine found, then all these countries around the world who have built up herd immunity can get back to normal. That's looking likely. However, a place like New Zealand, which has built up no immunity, could then see a big spike in cases - after being in lockdown for 8-10 months already - and they then face another 6 months of strict lockdown measures. In that case, their original plan would obviously be exposed as being as the completely excessive, ineffective measure that it is. Their economy would be crippled and they'd have massive excess deaths.

I've always been confident that a vaccine would be found, but if there's one certainty about any of this, it's that the lockdown measures we've seen this year cannot be used in a future pandemic. Try to keep the economy going, let healthy adults build up herd immunity and protect the vulnerable - not put in lockdown measures that build up no immunity, offer too much protection to people who have a 0.002% chance of death and offer too little protection to those who need it.
 
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He's obviously right on this issue. Anyone who looks at the example of a country like New Zealand and doesn't think their measures are excessive doesn't understand the virus and how to move forward.

As a Swedish minister recently said, we're in the middle of the race and people have decided the winners already. If there is no vaccine found, then all these countries around the world who have built up herd immunity can get back to normal. That's looking likely. However, a place like New Zealand, which has built up no immunity, could then see a big spike in cases - after being in lockdown for 8-10 months already - and they then face another 6 months of strict lockdown measures. In that case, their original plan would obviously be exposed as being as the completely excessive, ineffective measure that it is. Their economy would be crippled and they'd have massive excess deaths.

I've always been confident that a vaccine would be found, but if there's one certainty about any of this, it's that the lockdown measures we've seen this year cannot be used in a future pandemic. Try to keep the economy going, let healthy adults build up herd immunity and protect the vulnerable - not put in lockdown measures that build up no immunity, offer too much protection to people who have a 0.002% chance of death and offer too little protection to those who need it.
Perhaps, but I also have a great deal of skepticism towards the WHO due to CCP influence
 

WaltzingMatilda

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It’s similar in Australia

you can be locked up for crossing a border

but for the most part people just seem to be in touch with the situation & actually want to do the right thing & not inadvertently kill people
I think we value life more here in the Antipodes
 

Ernest Shackleton

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It’s similar in Australia

you can be locked up for crossing a border

but for the most part people just seem to be in touch with the situation & actually want to do the right thing & not inadvertently kill people
I think we value life more here in the Antipodes
What does that even mean you value life more? The IFR is the same as a strong flu, is this what you’ll do when you get a bad flu season?
Your liberty is your life.
Shocking how quickly Totalitarian fascism appeals to some in a crisis.
 

WaltzingMatilda

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What does that even mean you value life more? The IFR is the same as a strong flu, is this what you’ll do when you get a bad flu season?
Your liberty is your life.
Shocking how quickly Totalitarian fascism appeals to some in a crisis.



If you’re one of these idiots who think your liberty is oh so fucking precious & you should be able to go where you want, do what you want (even shoot little furry animals for fun) then you’re a selfish cunt

i dont know where you’re from but either the UK & the USA aren’t doing a fantastic job containing the pandemic & if you wan5 to catch it & spread it around & inadvertently kill people, then knock yourselves out

whilst most people would rather be taking advantage of the weather warming up, most people understand the concept of isolating the virus & trying to negate its spread & if idiots are willing to throw that back in the public’s face by endangering people while everyone else is conscious of doing the right thing then fuck em, lock the cunts up
 

Ernest Shackleton

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If you’re one of these idiots who think your liberty is oh so fucking precious & you should be able to go where you want, do what you want (even shoot little furry animals for fun) then you’re a selfish cunt

i dont know where you’re from but either the UK & the USA aren’t doing a fantastic job containing the pandemic & if you wan5 to catch it & spread it around & inadvertently kill people, then knock yourselves out

whilst most people would rather be taking advantage of the weather warming up, most people understand the concept of isolating the virus & trying to negate its spread & if idiots are willing to throw that back in the public’s face by endangering people while everyone else is conscious of doing the right thing then fuck em, lock the cunts up
So you’ve somehow gone from me criticising the Ardern regime for setting up quarantine camps for even people who have tested negative to meaning that I must be in favour of shooting koala bears.

You are fucking nuts.
 

WaltzingMatilda

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So you’ve somehow gone from me criticising the Ardern regime for setting up quarantine camps for even people who have tested negative to meaning that I must be in favour of shooting koala bears.

You are fucking nuts.

like I said, I don’t know wether you’re a soap dodger or a seppo, so it was an underhand Stan at the yanks & their so called liberties afforded by their antiquated bill of rights

Obviously if someone is returning from OS where this thing is rife then the virus doesn’t show up for a week or two, in Australia alone they’ve caught something like 350 cases from people in “Hotel” quarantine

it really can’t be that hard sitting around for a few weeks in a 5 star hotel watching Netflix & sport & being fed
 

Jack

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This can’t be a surprise to anyone:

You might have already seen this, but it's the start of an alarming trend we'll see around the world:


Scaring people into not wanting to leave the house for serious medical conditions is a remarkably dangerous move.

The problem that we have now is entirely created by politicians. It's not actually the medical experts like we're constantly told - there are many experts who've argued against lockdown measures to this extent. It's only the fact it's become such a political issue that every government seems to want to one up every other nation by becoming more cautious than the rest, but there's not actually many epidemiologists who've come out in support of these radical measures. Epidemiologists from Oxford University have been against it, Neil Ferguson was right in his view on lockdowns, The Lancet has been against it and we've even seen the WHO come out against it. So whilst all these arrogant politicians like to talk about "listening to experts", there is far from a consensus on the matter and every single expert acknowledges that there are consequences. It's only the politicians who see it as a benign measure that can only ever save lives.
 

Ernest Shackleton

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You might have already seen this, but it's the start of an alarming trend we'll see around the world:


Scaring people into not wanting to leave the house for serious medical conditions is a remarkably dangerous move.

The problem that we have now is entirely created by politicians. It's not actually the medical experts like we're constantly told - there are many experts who've argued against lockdown measures to this extent. It's only the fact it's become such a political issue that every government seems to want to one up every other nation by becoming more cautious than the rest, but there's not actually many epidemiologists who've come out in support of these radical measures. Epidemiologists from Oxford University have been against it, Neil Ferguson was right in his view on lockdowns, The Lancet has been against it and we've even seen the WHO come out against it. So whilst all these arrogant politicians like to talk about "listening to experts", there is far from a consensus on the matter and every single expert acknowledges that there are consequences. It's only the politicians who see it as a benign measure that can only ever save lives.
Same with masks. Every European country which has mandated masks has seen a rise in cases.

Could it be that masks lead to less social distancing and therefore more infections?