Saint Jacinda Places Auckland In Lockdown

Jack

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It's the thought of ending up with things like that which make people worried when a government starts to overreach and control things which should never, ever be touched, like freedom of speech. You see it with Scotland too and their ridiculous attempt to criminalise speech up there. There's this overbearing notion of "we're just looking out for you", which starts off with a pandemic and sounds benign at first, then turns into something more nefarious, all under the guise of 'government knows best'. Once that premise is accepted and the government are given too much control over your lives, it can end up taking away other freedoms too.

"Free speech turns to hate speech" is somewhat correct, there'll always be people who turn to hate but that's a very minor side effect of something fundamental to our societies. There is a slippery slope here, but by setting the precedent that speech can be limited, these people will have no argument if a right wing party gets elected and wants to ban the Quran under the same criteria, because of it's views on non-Muslims, homosexuals and so on. I'm guessing Ardern isn't going to include that when she's listing what counts as "hate speech".
 

Haggis

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Cast my vote for Aunty Cindy this morning. They sent me my voting card in the mail, I dropped in on a polling place on the way home and voted Jacinda for PM, and also to legalise weed and euthanasia. Took five minutes.

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Cast my vote for Aunty Cindy this morning. They sent me my voting card in the mail, I dropped in on a polling place on the way home and voted Jacinda for PM, and also to legalise weed and euthanasia. Took five minutes.

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Me too, voted via online. Simple.
 
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So are some people here saying strong leadership saving lives, was a bad thing, because it caused temporary economic hardship?

The economy would have taken a hit due to global situation anyway and if the virus spread and when people started dying in mass numbers, things would have had to close anyway and it would have taken a hit

What is the actual argument here?
 
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Ernest Shackleton

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Now she wants to eliminate flu as well, next she will make maximum speed limits on roads 5mph to save road kills

 

Haggis

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Now she wants to eliminate flu as well, next she will make maximum speed limits on roads 5mph to save road kills


"Now she wants to eliminate flu as well"?

1) There is no talk of "eliminating flu" in the article.

2) Aunty Cindy is not quoted or even name-checked in the article.

3) No politician or political party at all is name-checked in the article.


Why do you idiot cunts feel that you need to LIE so constantly?

How come stupid lies seem to be ALL you have? :patsch

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Have you actually bothered to listen to Professor Sunetra Gupta? Or did you just post that clip because it is anti-lockdown?

I have listened to Sunetra Gupta, in this clip below, and she and her two associates do not offer a workable solution.

 
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What Professors Sunetra Gupta, Martin Kulldorf and Jay Bhattacharya are proposing in the clip above relies on the population being pigeon holed into categories, sliced up like a pie and then the slices put into completely separate containers.

If we were dealing with guinea pigs or dogs or some other kind of animal here there that might even work. But we are dealing with humans here. Families made up of different age people who have reliance on each other and in many cases live with each other. Such as the example the interviewer offered of a grandchild who lives with a grandparent.

The slice of the pie that consists of the elderly, invalided and so on is not self sufficient. So the whole model just falls over.

Prof Martin Kulldorf was asked if what they were proposing should be made compulsory and he said words to the effect of nobody should be forced to do it. People would have to make up their own minds. Yeah right, that would work.

When Professor Sunetra Gupta claimed "if we adopt this strategy this could be all over in 3 months and we could all have a nice normal Christmas" I just shook my head and laughed.

I did manage to watch it all in the hope they would offer a workable plan and not just a theory. But alas.
 
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Think you will find the decision was made as a result of a Ardern directive. When she makes a decision, the entire nation step in line.
They were told they would have to quarantine when they got back, which is hardly unreasonable but they decided it wasn't worth it.

That is hardly equivalent to stopping international sport.