RBR!!! Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez (RING, WBC & WBA) vs. Billy Joe Saunders (WBO) - May 8th 2021

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Saunders vs. Canelo Winner and How?


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I didn't get any clarification at all on the main question. I already know that Mark Tibbs signalled to the referee that they'd had enough but the question of did he do that against the fighter's wishes or in line with them still remains and he's deliberately not clarifying it, he said twice in that 2 minute video that conversations had between him and BJS will remain private and so I wonder why bother making a video if he's not going to say what was said?
The video was in response to the Ben Davison interview...With IFL TV. Plus he said Billy did what great fighters have done. So clearly the choice by that statement is that it was Billys decision.

Well in anycase if Saunders suffered a Quadripod fracture his career is over. It is far more serious then the fractures suffered by Brook and Dubois.

If he makes a comeback then it means they most likley exaggerared the injury.

The real question is why not just keep quiet. This story would have been old news by now and people would have moved on.
 
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I listened to the BBC Radio Commentary of the fight on the day.
Commentayors had different opinions Joe Gallagher had Saunders well ahead.

When I watched it on youtube. What I saw was Saunders looked slightly busier in some rounds but his punches were mostly missing or canelo was blocking and catching them. Whatever got through was mostly pitty pat.

Amir Khan and Liam Smith put up better fights with Canelo. Then both Callum Smith and Saunders.

Come on man, you know how British media and fans love their boxers and think they are world beaters.

Look at all the fans that followed Hatton over to Vegas when he fought Mayweather and Pacquaio and got starched by both of them.

Go back in time and see how the fans reacted when Hagler beat Minter in England and pelted the ring with beer bottles when the fight was stopped due to cuts on Minter's face.

They can't stand it when their favorites lose.
 
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Come on man, you know how British media and fans love their boxers and think they are world beaters.

Look at all the fans that followed Hatton over to Vegas when he fought Mayweather and Pacquaio and got starched by both of them.

Go back in time and see how the fans reacted when Hagler beat Minter in England and pelted the ring with beer bottles when the fight was stopped due to cuts on Minter's face.

They can't stand it when their favorites lose.
The other two commentators had Canelo winning.

I have listened to BBC boxing commentary for the best part of 30 years. I would agree with the gist of your statement that the commentary nowa adays is usually biased to hype the British fighter. But they do seem to have a soft spot for foreign Boxers who are regarded as being in the hall of fame category.

For example BBC commentary in unison scored the fight for Hopkins when he fought Calzaghe they seemed to be surprised when Calzaghe. Was declared the winner.

But yes generally these days its hype the British fighter prior to the fight....And then say "What a brave and heroic effort.." once he gets beat. Having said that Ian Darke decades ago was a highly respected commentator always try to be neutral and unbiased.

Fans dont love all British fighters....We have some fighters with a fan base and we have some fighters with a large hate base people tune in to see them get beat.

Hatton was a once in a generation phenomenon as far as fan base goes. Chris Eubank snr and Naseem Hamed deliberately set out to acquire a hate base. That is to get people to tune in hoping to see them get beat.
 
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For example BBC commentary in unison scored the fight for Hopkins when he fought Calzaghe they seemed to be surprised when Calzaghe. Was declared the winner.
Well, considering the fight was held in Vegas I guess they assumed there would be a "Home Town" type decision, maybe they were playing the odds of that happening. I remember that fight and Calzage dominated in every punching stat in that fight. He deserved the win.


I've never been a Hopkins fan to be honest. I give it to the guy for his talent and longevity though, especially considering how he started boxing at a fairly late age compared to many other professionals at age 23 having his first bout.
 
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Well, considering the fight was held in Vegas I guess they assumed there would be a "Home Town" type decision, maybe they were playing the odds of that happening. I remember that fight and Calzage dominated in every punching stat in that fight. He deserved the win.


I've never been a Hopkins fan to be honest. I give it to the guy for his talent and longevity though, especially considering how he started boxing at a fairly late age compared to many other professionals at age 23 having his first bout.
Nope they were genuinely pro-Hopkins and fascinated by his story of redemption. His professionalism to the sport and discipline and dedication despite his advancing years.

Back in the day when Winky Wright was not getting any love from the American pundits. He fought a trio of British fighters in a row...The British were gushing over his technical skills and describing him as a master Technician.

Manning Galloway had the most boring and ugly style one could have. But people who saw him beat the heavily favoured Pat Barrett still remember him fondly.

Name of Tim Witherspoon remained popular in the U.K. years after he whooped the huge fan favourite Frank Bruno he still visits the U.K. regularly I believe.

So there are alot of exceptions...
 
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The video was in response to the Ben Davison interview...With IFL TV. Plus he said Billy did what great fighters have done. So clearly the choice by that statement is that it was Billys decision.

Well in anycase if Saunders suffered a Quadripod fracture his career is over. It is far more serious then the fractures suffered by Brook and Dubois.

If he makes a comeback then it means they most likley exaggerared the injury.

The real question is why not just keep quiet. This story would have been old news by now and people would have moved on.
Yeah and this is what I don't understand also. What need is there to respond to Ben Davison at all unless you want people to know that BJS did in fact quit? If he doesn't respond then the last we hear is that Davison stopped the fight against the wishes of BJS and we can take it or leave it. But now the debate is back on as Tibbs is refuting Davison's account and as the head trainer we have to accept Tibbs' version which is that Davison never stopped the fight and something was said between BJS and Tibbs but he's keeping it to himself. I'm surprised it's DDD that's left instead of BJS, I can't see how this relationship continues, Tibbs seems determined not to clear BJS of the quitting allegations.

But regardless of what Tibbs, BJS, Davison etc say I KNOW that BJS told Tibbs he can't see, I heard that with my own ears. Some would say making that statement in itself is quitting even if it's the truth but maybe that's an unreasonable position
 
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Yeah and this is what I don't understand also. What need is there to respond to Ben Davison at all unless you want people to know that BJS did in fact quit? If he doesn't respond then the last we hear is that Davison stopped the fight against the wishes of BJS and we can take it or leave it. But now the debate is back on as Tibbs is refuting Davison's account and as the head trainer we have to accept Tibbs' version which is that Davison never stopped the fight and something was said between BJS and Tibbs but he's keeping it to himself. I'm surprised it's DDD that's left instead of BJS, I can't see how this relationship continues, Tibbs seems determined not to clear BJS of the quitting allegations.

But regardless of what Tibbs, BJS, Davison etc say I KNOW that BJS told Tibbs he can't see, I heard that with my own ears. Some would say making that statement in itself is quitting even if it's the truth but maybe that's an unreasonable position
Maybe he feels his position as the Head trainer was being undermined..Felt he needed to respond to clarify he was in charge. And not Davison.
 
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All I can say is I am bored with this now. I cant believe the amount of time I wasted over the last week on this. Somebody my age should know better. Instead I am embarassed to say I have been like a 13 year old. Obsessed with who said what and who did what.

The amount of hours I wasted I could have mastered a new skill or learned to cook a new dish or something.

Anyways wishing Billy Joe Saunders, Mark Tibbs and Ben Davison all the best for the future.

So what If Saunders quit, personally I have lost count of the things and tasks I began and quit in my lifetime.
 
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Well after watching that no wonder Tibbs' back was up! So confirmation at least that Tibbs did indeed ask BJS for another round and Davison suggests that he took charge of the situation and said no he's done because apparently he could see that the injury was so severe.

Sorry but Davison comes across terribly in this interview, he's been a trainer 5 minutes and he thinks he knows better than Tibbs? Where was Davison when BJS began? BJS was in Tibbs' gym learning the basics and getting his education and now Davison is acting as if he was the only one who had BJS' best interests at heart at the end of the 8th, awful interview, very cocky and arrogant. Mark Tibbs is head trainer and BJS made that choice, he already left Davison so there must be a reason for that.

So Tibbs asked for another round, so what? It's impossible for anyone to know that eye has multiple fractures on it (assuming it did) at the end of the 8th, none of them are doctors and the doctor didn't even examine it in the ring. Tibbs asked for another round and BJS said at least twice that he can't see and then Tibbs waved it off. He was quite right to ask for another round, it was for the unified 168lb crown and he was in the fight, BJS is entitled to say no also but Davison here is trying to make it seem as if Tibbs was out of order and so he had to step in and overrule him, shocking behaviour from a guest in the camp, can't see other trainers wanting to let him in if this is his attitude.
 
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I watched a Mark Tibbs interview 2 days ago I think it was and he told the interviewer he didn't want to speak about this subject anymore as he'd already given plenty of commentary and I agreed with him too, I was glad I didn't have to listen to the same old summary yet again, I'm satisfied that I know what happened after listening to Tibbs and Davison.

The message at the bottom from The Casual Arts sums it up perfectly. He did quit and trying to say otherwise is only harming his reputation, this is why the head coach tried to get BJS to answer the next bell, he knew that for all he had to say after Brook and DDD quit he couldn't remain on his stool and not get backlash, ultimately BJS makes the final decision, he did that, no problem but now he has to accept that he has now quit in a fight, hold his hands up and take the flack that comes with it and then move on, taking the public for morons isn't the quickest strategy for making this issue go away.
 
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